If Being Gay is alright in the eyes of God then.....

Originally posted by �any

Originally posted by Sapphire

Originally posted by �any
By the way, look at the little titles under my name, I changed it to something more fitting of who I am.
The name Satan was just to piss off fundamentalists like you.

Cool another Brit!!! LONG LIVE THE BRITS

Is your avatar a Night Elf?

Yes it is, from WarCraft i believe.

[Edited on 30-11-2003 by Sapphire]

Originally posted by Sapphire

Originally posted by �any

Originally posted by Sapphire

Originally posted by �any
By the way, look at the little titles under my name, I changed it to something more fitting of who I am.
The name Satan was just to piss off fundamentalists like you.

Cool another Brit!!! LONG LIVE THE BRITS

Is your avatar a Night Elf?

Yes it is, from WarCraft i believe.

[Edited on 30-11-2003 by Sapphire]

Heh, I sent you a U2U asking that too, just ignore it.

Dany,

I am so honored!


Sapphire,

a manufactured disease definitely has an antidote.

an inhibitor of the immune system is as deadly as any disease in effect.

but I still contend that all are attacked at the weakest points for most effect,

the designed weakness in each group.

if a group of humans were demonstrably promiscious then the best way to take them out would be to design a fatal disease delivered via sexual contact.

the disease is proof of the lifestyle period.

Originally posted by THENEO


Sapphire,

a manufactured disease definitely has an antidote.

an inhibitor of the immune system is as deadly as any disease in effect.

but I still contend that all are attacked at the weakest points for most effect,

the designed weakness in each group.

if a group of humans were demonstrably promiscious then the best way to take them out would be to design a fatal disease delivered via sexual contact.

the disease is proof of the lifestyle period.

THENEO, the Disease isn't proof of a lifestyle though. It's part of it yes, but it's not the entire story. If i said it was one way only i'd be lying to myself, we just don't have all the facts nor do we have all the answers. I found this website about 1.5 yrs ago, it's got a lot of good information on it you may like to read thru it if your like me and love information.

www.watercure.com

Sapphire,

thanks for the link,
I will have a look but really this is not of great concern to me.

I still disagree with you because it is obvious to me that aids is indicative of the gay lifestyle.

Will gays be able to overcome their greatest weakness in order to save their own lives?

Now that is a good question to debate.

the bible is a book of stories that are based on the beliefs of the people of the time, the bible was not written by god himself, the books are just stories to explain to people what god was like, a lot of them arent true. i do believe in christ and god, and i am a christian, but you shouldnt believe everything in the bible LITERALLY

Originally posted by manoverboard
the bible is a book of stories that are based on the beliefs of the people of the time, the bible was not written by god himself, the books are just stories to explain to people what god was like, a lot of them arent true. i do believe in christ and god, and i am a christian, but you shouldnt believe everything in the bible LITERALLY

yes i am christian too, but much of the Old Testament is stories that are not meant to be completely historically accurate. It is just meant to show certain things about God. the bible even has inconsistancies, such as how not only David, but another man were both said to kill Goliath, but they are just meant to show religious truth, not historical truth. There is meant to be a deeper meaning in all of those stories than the straight facts.

Originally posted by THENEO
Sapphire,

thanks for the link,
I will have a look but really this is not of great concern to me.

I still disagree with you because it is obvious to me that aids is indicative of the gay lifestyle.

Will gays be able to overcome their greatest weakness in order to save their own lives?

Now that is a good question to debate.

THENEO, its ok, everyone disagrees on things but thats the beauty of it all. You learn and grow from that. I still disagree though about aids being a gay disease. If it were, it would have existed thousands of years prior to us now. It truly is a disease that attacks those with an already weak immune system.

Anyways, i hope you like that website, its very cool

I find it odd that Christians priests can Molest young children yet have such resenment towards Gays.
Russian your argue is Christians Bias, can you come up with an argument that is not.
The physical body is just a vesel for our soul, which are all the same, Non gender, its our physical bodys that yearn for love, from either that of a man or a woman.
Thier is nothing wrong with Homosexuals, They have done no crime to society.
The only crime commited has been against not understanding them, and thier needs.
Deep

Lady s,

We are SUPPOSE TO have discression. We are supose to know right from wrong. We are supose to teach our children right from wrong.

So what is Right or Wrong?
Being Gay is not Sin.
Being ignorant enough not to stop and talk to a homosexual and understand that they are the same as
you and I is not a sin.

As much as some of you may hate it, Homosexuals are taking to the streets and to the media.

"Hell hath no fury like a homosexual scorn"

Finaly is thier a day and age when one can wake up and love who and what is no matter what the popular religious, social bias may be against them.

Watch Television and you will see Homoexuals on almost all channels.
"Will and Grace", "Queer eye for straight Guy"
All primetime shows.
Deep

Something to chew on here

If there is a gay gene then that means that it has to be passed down from one generation to the next right? So how do gay's pass there genes down they can't children together.

So lets say that there are people out there that are gay and stay straight for fear of being persecuted. They marry and have kids and the gene is passed on. With the number of gays on the rise in this day and time because of it being more accepted to be gay and more gay people living in gay relationships would it not make since that after a generation or so that the number of Gays would diminish since more gay's are with members of the same sex?

This will be interesting to see. If the number diminishs then there may be a gay gene but if the numbers continue to rise then it is not a gene but rather a choice.

Originally posted by BlackJackal
Something to chew on here

If there is a gay gene then that means that it has to be passed down from one generation to the next right? So how do gay's pass there genes down they can't children together.

So lets say that there are people out there that are gay and stay straight for fear of being persecuted. They marry and have kids and the gene is passed on. With the number of gays on the rise in this day and time because of it being more accepted to be gay and more gay people living in gay relationships would it not make since that after a generation or so that the number of Gays would diminish since more gay's are with members of the same sex?

This will be interesting to see. If the number diminishs then there may be a gay gene but if the numbers continue to rise then it is not a gene but rather a choice.

I have never heard that being Gay is hereditary. My guess is that is a gene in everyone that is either active in someone or not. Most people keep this a secret out of fear...like it has been said..we are in a more accepting society now, at least for the most part. I don't think you will see it fading away as It isn't hereditary. Not to my knowledge at least.

Originally posted by Garon

Originally posted by BlackJackal
Something to chew on here

If there is a gay gene then that means that it has to be passed down from one generation to the next right? So how do gay's pass there genes down they can't children together.

So lets say that there are people out there that are gay and stay straight for fear of being persecuted. They marry and have kids and the gene is passed on. With the number of gays on the rise in this day and time because of it being more accepted to be gay and more gay people living in gay relationships would it not make since that after a generation or so that the number of Gays would diminish since more gay's are with members of the same sex?

This will be interesting to see. If the number diminishs then there may be a gay gene but if the numbers continue to rise then it is not a gene but rather a choice.

I have never heard that being Gay is hereditary. My guess is that is a gene in everyone that is either active in someone or not. Most people keep this a secret out of fear...like it has been said..we are in a more accepting society now, at least for the most part. I don't think you will see it fading away as It isn't hereditary. Not to my knowledge at least.

Well if being gay is not hereditary then it is not genetic meaning that being gay is simply a choice.

Heres some information

www.greenbaypressgazette.com...

I've already discussed choice in this thread. No one would choose this. Believe me. It simply doesn't work that way bud.

Originally posted by Garon

Originally posted by BlackJackal
Something to chew on here

If there is a gay gene then that means that it has to be passed down from one generation to the next right? So how do gay's pass there genes down they can't children together.

So lets say that there are people out there that are gay and stay straight for fear of being persecuted. They marry and have kids and the gene is passed on. With the number of gays on the rise in this day and time because of it being more accepted to be gay and more gay people living in gay relationships would it not make since that after a generation or so that the number of Gays would diminish since more gay's are with members of the same sex?

This will be interesting to see. If the number diminishs then there may be a gay gene but if the numbers continue to rise then it is not a gene but rather a choice.

I have never heard that being Gay is hereditary. My guess is that is a gene in everyone that is either active in someone or not. Most people keep this a secret out of fear...like it has been said..we are in a more accepting society now, at least for the most part. I don't think you will see it fading away as It isn't hereditary. Not to my knowledge at least.

What I am saying is that if being gay is not hereditary then it therefore cannot be genetic because the gene has to come from somewhere. It could be a mutation but a specific mutation that causes you to be gay in 3% of the worlds population is simply impossible.

If its not a choice and its not genetic then what is it?

It is what feels right for that person. All I know for sure is that I did not choose. I simply am. I don't know how else to put it. I didn't get up one day and say "I think I'll be queer." Sorry didn't happen. People desperately want to believe it is a choice so that one day maybe that person will choose to be "Normal". That isn't the case. Sorry to burst your bubble. If it is genetic and hereditary, my guess its a gene we all have. Something that is dormant in the majority of people. Just because I am gay, doesn't mean my child will be and if he/she is, I hope the world he/she comes into is a better one than this. One where he/she won't be hated for being different.

Originally posted by Garon
It is what feels right for that person. All I know for sure is that I did not choose. I simply am. I don't know how else to put it. I didn't get up one day and say "I think I'll be queer." Sorry didn't happen. People desperately want to believe it is a choice so that one day maybe that person will choose to be "Normal". That isn't the case. Sorry to burst your bubble. If it is genetic and hereditary, my guess its a gene we all have. Something that is dormant in the majority of people. Just because I am gay, doesn't mean my child will be and if he/she is, I hope the world he/she comes into is a better one than this. One where he/she won't be hated for being different.

I don't hate anyone. I simply don't understand how a society can become so over-accepting of a disorder that it has the power to claim a minority status. It is the same as Alcholics saying that they should be considered minorities or Child Molestors. It just feels right does not make anything ok. Just because being gay feels right does not mean that the world should bow down and give people who are gay special rights.

Being gay is a disorder just like any other sexual perversion and should be treated in the same manner. If you care to do the research you will find around the same percentage of people that like child porn as there are gay's. But the world is accepting of gay's which leads to a global double standard.

Bottom Line Being gay is either some sort of disorder or purely a choice.

Originally posted by BlackJackal

Originally posted by Garon
It is what feels right for that person. All I know for sure is that I did not choose. I simply am. I don't know how else to put it. I didn't get up one day and say "I think I'll be queer." Sorry didn't happen. People desperately want to believe it is a choice so that one day maybe that person will choose to be "Normal". That isn't the case. Sorry to burst your bubble. If it is genetic and hereditary, my guess its a gene we all have. Something that is dormant in the majority of people. Just because I am gay, doesn't mean my child will be and if he/she is, I hope the world he/she comes into is a better one than this. One where he/she won't be hated for being different.

I don't hate anyone. I simply don't understand how a society can become so over-accepting of a disorder that it has the power to claim a minority status. It is the same as Alcholics saying that they should be considered minorities or Child Molestors. It just feels right does not make anything ok. Just because being gay feels right does not mean that the world should bow down and give people who are gay special rights.

Being gay is a disorder just like any other sexual perversion and should be treated in the same manner. If you care to do the research you will find around the same percentage of people that like child porn as there are gay's. But the world is accepting of gay's which leads to a global double standard.

Bottom Line Being gay is either some sort of disorder or purely a choice.

I should let this ignorant post sit unanswered but unadulterated anger won't allow it. In the same post you have just compared people who are gay to alcoholoics, pedophiles, and likened them to a sexual perversion. Yet you do not hate anyone. RIGHT.

No one is asking for "special rights." People want the same rights afforded to every human being. Like marraige. How is this a special right? Give me a break! How does two men or two women wanting to commit themselves to each other for life affect how you live?? It doesn't. Not at all and it never will.

I wish all of you crazy religious wackos would stop sticking your nose into other peoples lives. Let someone live their life without fear of condemnation and hate from you idiots! I'm fed up with it. You are clearly some of the most evil people on the face of the earth.

And for the record...the majority of pedophiles are straight.

Originally posted by BlackJackal
What I am saying is that if being gay is not hereditary then it therefore cannot be genetic because the gene has to come from somewhere. It could be a mutation but a specific mutation that causes you to be gay in 3% of the worlds population is simply impossible.

If its not a choice and its not genetic then what is it?

A dwarf couple can have a child that is not a dwarf, and a retarded couple can have a child that is not retarded (and vice versa), so why can't a straight couple have a child that is not straight? Is this that difficult to understand? Genetic differences in people are not always inherited from the parents. Sometimes things just happen and no one can say why.

Also, it has been proven through several unbiased, scientific studies, that homosexuality is not pathological. That means that it is not a psychological condition. If it is definitely not pathological, then it has to be somehow linked to the body's chemical or genetic make-up. When, and if, they will ever find what causes some people to be straight and some to be gay is not really relevant. Once it was determined that true homosexuality doesn't originate in the psyche, that most homosexuals don't choose to be gay, the only other option is that they are born with something that causes them to be gay (or we are born with something that causes us to be straight). That is, of course, unless you know of another part of the human species besides the body and the mind (the spirit, if you believe in one, is asexual and not involved in determining sexuality).

Originally posted by jezebel

Originally posted by BlackJackal
What I am saying is that if being gay is not hereditary then it therefore cannot be genetic because the gene has to come from somewhere. It could be a mutation but a specific mutation that causes you to be gay in 3% of the worlds population is simply impossible.

If its not a choice and its not genetic then what is it?

A dwarf couple can have a child that is not a dwarf, and a retarded couple can have a child that is not retarded (and vice versa), so why can't a straight couple have a child that is not straight? Is this that difficult to understand? Genetic differences in people are not always inherited from the parents. Sometimes things just happen and no one can say why.

Also, it has been proven through several unbiased, scientific studies, that homosexuality is not pathological. That means that it is not a psychological condition. If it is definitely not pathological, then it has to be somehow linked to the body's chemical or genetic make-up. When, and if, they will ever find what causes some people to be straight and some to be gay is not really relevant. Once it was determined that true homosexuality doesn't originate in the psyche, that most homosexuals don't choose to be gay, the only other option is that they are born with something that causes them to be gay (or we are born with something that causes us to be straight). That is, of course, unless you know of another part of the human species besides the body and the mind (the spirit, if you believe in one, is asexual and not involved in determining sexuality).

Brilliantly put Jezebel. Thank you very much.