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Originally posted by deadline527
So because I create my own second life in my dreams that in itself is a sin? That makes no sense. I live my life as a good person, and when I dream, maybe I like to be a little evil and do the things that we are not allowed to do in real life because there is no consequence in your dreams. People who play video games are essentially creating their own realities within the game, does that mean they are sinners as well?
Originally posted by pavlovsdog
Originally posted by deadline527
So because I create my own second life in my dreams that in itself is a sin? That makes no sense. I live my life as a good person, and when I dream, maybe I like to be a little evil and do the things that we are not allowed to do in real life because there is no consequence in your dreams. People who play video games are essentially creating their own realities within the game, does that mean they are sinners as well?
Here is WHY it is a sin - it sounds are if you are consciously structuring your dreams so that you can commit these egregious acts in them. That is a sin because you are willing it to happen. If you were just having dreams in which you commited a crime or a sin in some way, those would not be a sin against your soul because it is not the result of your conscious will.. Because you are creating a reality in which it's ok for you to sin and effecting that reality with your will, rest assured you are sinning.
Originally posted by _Phoenix_
reply to post by pavlovsdog
So your saying you are sinning now by just thinking about this. I mean did you not "imagine" these so called sins when you read and wrote about this.
[edit on 10-4-2008 by _Phoenix_]
Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
I suppose ultimately the answer to that question would depend on your religion.
If you are a Christian, which I assume from the use of the word "sin" that you are, then it would seem the answer would be "yes." You could sin in a dream if you were "lucid."
Clearly some sins, in the most explicit examples of "sin" in the Bible, (those in the ten commandments,) are sins that occur only in the mind. Such as the coveting of thy neighbors wife, house, oxen, etc.
Therefore, sin that occurs only in the mind can be a sin. So, if you are Christian, and in a lucid dream, (ie; YOU are in control of what you are doing in the dream) you must be willing the action. If you are willing an action you believe to be a sin, then YOU the one with the free will, are committing the sin, regardless of the fact that no material consequence that you know of comes of it.
Originally posted by pavlovsdog
These things would be like choosing to watch child pornography, or choosing to encourage the killing of someone. Certainly both would be sins.
Originally posted by pavlovsdog
If a person makes a choice to commit a sinful act, then he has in effect 'sinned'. The sin isnt so much about the act itself, but rather allowing your mind and soul to travel down the path that would allow you to make that choice.
Proverbs 6:18 says An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
This is in a chapter telling us what the most wicked men do and what things are considered abominations to god. Therefore this is not out of context.
Originally posted by deadline527
Is it possible to sin while lucidly dreaming?
1849: Sin is an offense against reason, truth, and right conscience[]
1855: Venial sin allows charity to subsist, even though it offends and wounds it.
1856: []when the sinners will is set upon something that of its nature involves a disorder, but is not opposed to the love of God and neighbour, such as thoughtless chatter or immoderate laughter and the like, such sins are venial.
1860: Unintentional Ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of grave sin. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man.
1865: Sin creates a proclivity to sin; it engenders vice by repetition of the same acts. This results in perverse inclination which clout conscience and corrupt the concrete judgement of good and evil. Thus sin tends to reproduce itself and reinforce itself, but it cannot destroy the moral sense at its root.
Originally posted by Sri Oracle
Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1995
1849: Sin is an offense against reason, truth, and right conscience[]
1855: Venial sin allows charity to subsist, even though it offends and wounds it.
1856: []when the sinners will is set upon something that of its nature involves a disorder, but is not opposed to the love of God and neighbour, such as thoughtless chatter or immoderate laughter and the like, such sins are venial.
1860: Unintentional Ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of grave sin. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man.
1865: Sin creates a proclivity to sin; it engenders vice by repetition of the same acts. This results in perverse inclination which clout conscience and corrupt the concrete judgement of good and evil. Thus sin tends to reproduce itself and reinforce itself, but it cannot destroy the moral sense at its root.
If you choose to direct your lucid dreams away from the topics of HOPE, FAITH, OR CHARITY... then they are dreams of vice; sin.
Thoughts become words,
words become deeds;
dreams thereby are the seeds of change.
I am,
Sri Oracle
Originally posted by deadline527
I really do wish we could get a bible written straight from the source.
Originally posted by Sri Oracle
Originally posted by deadline527
I really do wish we could get a bible written straight from the source.
That would be your conscience; its right there, just listen.
Sri Oracle
Originally posted by deadline527
I feel so bad if I have to trap a mouse in a mousetrap that I went and bought "humane" mouse traps, hah.
Originally posted by Sri Oracle
I buried it under a nectarine tree in The Garden.