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Originally posted by Throbber
reply to post by deadline527
I'm fairly certain there are a few sayings that would share perspective on that point.
Infact, i'll share with you a little something i've learned - it isn't big or grand, but a simple truth.
There are countless tidbits of wisdom that have filtered into society, from sources unknown - sayings like "Don't put all your eggs in once basket" and "Curiosity killed the cat" are a very obvious forms of this; they can also be used as a metaphor for a great many different situations.
Oh, for the lost art of simple wisdom!
edit; as to your question, it takes experience and understanding to know the answer.
Remember, the path is not surrounded by limitations, you can walk back to where you started, or simply cut across the lawn to a different path.
This does, however - lead to gaps in your understanding and experience, just like any learned skill or trait, and it takes time to truly appreciate how much you can lose or forget.
"Walk before you can run" is another one.
[edit on 10-4-2008 by Throbber]
Originally posted by Throbber
reply to post by deadline527
Philosophy may be one of the few things that will survive alongside human society until the very end.
I would imagine even the last man on earth would spend his days philosophizing on how the world came to be in such a state, or perhaps even simply remembering days gone by - now and again saying "Ah" as the peices fall together.
Even if there are people who do not acknowledge this fact, they do not realise that inside their very subconcious lies the beating heart of an unknown wisdom.
I truly believe that in terms of wisdom, all of us - from the most demented psychopath to the most calm and patient man or woman among us, every single one of us is capable of philosophising.
Oops, i got all idealistic.
Lucid Dreaming isn't reconcilable with the Christian faith.
Originally posted by DuneKnight
you aare just left with basic instinct and for lucid dreaming thats usually the urge to keep the dream going now matter what, the DONT WAKE UP! mentality. so in a way you fight to survive.
Originally posted by deadline527
Yes it is, but in my reasoning...
Sin is something that negatively effects something, someone, somewhere. When you are dreaming, technically, you affect nothing. So all of your actions while dreaming consciously.. which is much different then a regular dream... carry no consequence. You wake up, then carry on with the rest of your life.
Originally posted by pavlovsdog
At the risk of being too long winded and verbose (as I'm often apt to do), I'll try and put forth just a few reasons that Lucid Dreaming and Christianity are not compatible.
1. Lucid Dreaming is learning how to create your own reality. If you can create your own reality then you are not subject to the pre destination that Christianity teaches.
2. The Bible teaches that God communicates to us thru our dreams. Do you think he wants that open channel mucked up with YOUR efforts?
3. Lucid Dreaming can be a conduit to other astral entities which could be demons or devils, ghosts or spirits, all according to how you perceive them, it's akin to using a Ouiji board.
Originally posted by Komodo
reply to post by deadline527
Jas 4:13 Come now, those saying, Today or tomorrow we will go into such a city and spend a year there, and we will trade and will make a profit,
Jas 4:14 who do not know of the morrow. For what is your life? For it is a vapor, which appears for a little time, and then disappears.
Jas 4:15 Instead of you saying, If the Lord wills, we shall live and do this or that.
Jas 4:16 But now you boast in your presumptions. All such boasting is evil.
Jas 4:17 Therefore to him who knows to do good, and does not do it, to him it is sin.
Being one that has/does have multiple dreams, will defend that you can NOT and will not 'actually' sin during a dream. Why? Because it completely has to involvement the human will. Now, in the dream, it is possible that you see might see yourself sinning, but .. I would take that as a warning to be careful NOT to get in the same situation as you found yourself in the dream. If you do, RUN !!!! Otherwise, you'll be tempted.
For example, I had a dream, during a time that was personally stressful in my last marriage, that I was playing with a beautiful snake. As I looked at it, it was fairly small with a head which was proportionate to it's body; it wound around my forearm and suddenly, it opened it's mouth and it's mouth became bigger than it's head! It had huge fangs and it's body gripped my forearm so hard I wasn't able to get it off. It sunk it's fangs deep into my hand between my forefinger and thumb and I could see the poison pump straight into my vein and go up my arm.
I tried to pull it's head out but, to no avail until the last drop of poison was injected and it just fell off. I glanced up and saw my wife standing there off in the distance, and never came to my rescue.. and then I sat straight up out of the deep sleep and grabbed my hand to see if there was any mark. It was that real!
Moral of the Dream: Do NOT even think of playing around in your marriage, regardless of how bad it may be, because it WILL bite you eventually.
Did I sin in the dream, perhaps. However, it didn't take much deep insight to know that I was in real trouble if I didn't stop was I was doing/thinking about in real life! I had a choice to make. Either stop playing or keep playing with the snake in RL. If continued to play with the snake in RL, I would be sinning (which is the poison)
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by deadline527
Quote removed to comply with the removal of the original post above
Originally posted by pavlovsdog
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by deadline527
see mod edit above
I HOPE you are talking about 'getting away with it' in your dreams and not in your daily life.
I'm speachless,, reallly.