Originally posted by deadline527
The other day I had a dream where I conversed lucidly with a friend who died many years ago - I asked him questions about his death, what its like to be dead, and general questions you would ask someone on the other side.

I have had spiritual experiences, talked to friends who passed away.....

I just wanted to know if what you may do in dreams, even no matter how bad, could possibly equate to a sin?

[edit on 10-4-2008 by deadline527]

Originally posted by pavlovsdog

Originally posted by deadline527
The other day I had a dream where I conversed lucidly with a friend who died many years ago - I asked him questions about his death, what its like to be dead, and general questions you would ask someone on the other side.

I have had spiritual experiences, talked to friends who passed away.....

I just wanted to know if what you may do in dreams, even no matter how bad, could possibly equate to a sin?

[edit on 10-4-2008 by deadline527]

Your statements that I posted above nullifies your entire question put to this forum.

You are discussing 'conversing with the dead' which is a big no no in the christian faith and certainly a sin.

You are postulating 'killing the ducks' since there would be no consequence for your actions. This would be much less of a 'sin' than the prior sin of necromancy.

However, to go back to the first quandry I put forth to you....
Lucid Dreaming isn't reconcilable with the Christian faith.
From your 'western viewpoint', your framing of the word 'sin' and your user name here, I must assume you are some sort of Christian.

I propose that what you are having here is a crisis of faith.

The reconciliation of that crisis is a long road indeed.

Originally posted by zerop
How do you know for sure that the reality you're currently experiencing isn't some kind of lucid dream or simulation?

Originally posted by Throbber

Originally posted by zerop
How do you know for sure that the reality you're currently experiencing isn't some kind of lucid dream or simulation?

For higher dimensional entities, this may well be the case.

The closer you are to the 'chaos' dimension, the fewer rules there are.

I suppose there would be some theoretical contemparies out there who might find my choice of putting Chaotic energy 'at the top' so to speak fairly abhorrent and disturbing, but tbh it's the only way it makes sense to me.

Not that i'm saying the universe nessecarily needs to make sense - after all, for all i know in terms of space-time the dimensions may infact be next to each other in seperate universes, but exist within the same space.

Or of course, all the dimensions could exist within one universe, and that there are several universes with different dimensional priorities (hench, parallel universes).

Tis' a fun thing to think about once you get started.

Originally posted by Throbber
Allow me to ask you a question; Would you strike down a truly wise man if he was disagreeing with you?

Even if in a dream?

Originally posted by deadline527
Although when I am lucky enough to converse with others in my dream I make the most of the chance

Originally posted by Throbber

Originally posted by deadline527
Although when I am lucky enough to converse with others in my dream I make the most of the chance

Why?

[edit on 10-4-2008 by Throbber]

Originally posted by deadline527

Because it dosent happen much, sadly.

Very rarely do I encounter other people.

Originally posted by Throbber

Originally posted by deadline527

Because it dosent happen much, sadly.

Very rarely do I encounter other people.

Do you feel it is a waste to ignore that opportunity to learn wisdom?

Would you not say that to waste such an opportunity, would be wrong?

Originally posted by Throbber
I do not understand the concept of 'sin' where i am now, i see only a thin line between waste and cultivation of knowledge and wisdom.

Greed is Waste, Lust is Waste, Pride is Waste, and so forth.

Money that you take, may have been better spent elsewhere, a Momentary desire of the flesh that you take, may have been better appreciated elsewhere, Pride that you take, in something you do, may have been better placed elsewhere.

The concept of "I" is eradicated.

The opposite of Greed?

Charity.

The opposite of Lust?

Love.

The opposite of Pride?

Humility.

The three things i have listed - Charity, Love and Humility, are not wasteful things.

Originally posted by deadline527

I put others before myself often.

If you were to be greedy, lustful, and have excessive pride in a dream - yet have charity, love, and humility throughout my whole life...

Does that equate to still being wrong? Or are we still accountable for the actions we take KNOWINGLY in our dreams?

This does not pertain to dreams where you are not in control, btw.

[edit on 10-4-2008 by deadline527]

Originally posted by Throbber
For those who possess intelligence it is a tricky road to walk down - to see all and yet understand little, it is like looking into a kaleidescope and trying to focus on every colour at once, failing to understand that the mind is incapable of such a feat without practice.

Originally posted by pavlovsdog

Originally posted by deadline527

I put others before myself often.

Thinking this way AND thinking about slaughtering animals is very strange indeed.

If you were to be greedy, lustful, and have excessive pride in a dream - yet have charity, love, and humility throughout my whole life...

Does that equate to still being wrong? Or are we still accountable for the actions we take KNOWINGLY in our dreams?

This does not pertain to dreams where you are not in control, btw.

[edit on 10-4-2008 by deadline527]

Here you go again back to 'held accountable for your sins' line of thought

Who or what is holding you accountable?

Furthermore, saying you talked to the dead - until you were called on it and recanted isnt exactly kosher with me either. Sorta puts your entire story about your experiences in question.