Women need to shut up and sit down

Originally posted by Swingarm
reply to post by dawnstar

 

Apparently you embrace socialism. We will have to agree to disagree. Carry on with your attack on men as wife beaters.

it doesn't matter weather the whole population of males are wife beaters, or just two or three....you don't insist that those two or three wives out there just sit there and take it...pray to god to change him but leave her powerless to do anything about it!
it's the women who feeds the children, the women by all rights should have the means to go out and earn the means to get that food if need be!
and, quite frankly, it doesn't matter who's embracing socialism...we are going there, like it or not! both parties are driving us there. it's their path to unhindered power over the masses!
If me preferring to see the men and women in this country earning their living rather than earning a small part of their living and then having to run to the nearest welfare office for the rest of their living is being socialist...well, I don't know what to tell ya, or yes, I do! dependancy=servitude. for a country that supposedly values their freedom above all else, we sure the hell are giving it up rather quickly....for an easy life, for high profits, for a robust stock market, for power.....
get the danged cost of living in sinc with what people can actually earn, and make a way for all to be able to earn their share, including the single moms.....or yes, we will be socialists in no time!

it doesn't matter weather the whole population of males are wife beaters, or just two or three....you don't insist that those two or three wives out there just sit there and take it...pray to god to change him but leave her powerless to do anything about it!
it's the women who feeds the children, the women by all rights should have the means to go out and earn the means to get that food if need be!
and, quite frankly, it doesn't matter who's embracing socialism...we are going there, like it or not! both parties are driving us there. it's their path to unhindered power over the masses!
If me preferring to see the men and women in this country earning their living rather than earning a small part of their living and then having to run to the nearest welfare office for the rest of their living is being socialist...well, I don't know what to tell ya, or yes, I do! dependancy=servitude. for a country that supposedly values their freedom above all else, we sure the hell are giving it up rather quickly....for an easy life, for high profits, for a robust stock market, for power.....
get the danged cost of living in sinc with what people can actually earn, and make a way for all to be able to earn their share, including the single moms.....or yes, we will be socialists in no time!

reply to post by dawnstar


I can see we are have very different realities on this issue. Have a nice day!

maybe you are young, and looking into the past with an...oh...if only....
I have lived the past, and well, all I can say is that it really sucked to just be out of college and go out searching for a job everyday only to find that the only job you can land are the jobs you could land before....jobs in those "traditionally female areas" like food service and maid service. then to be told by my husband and others that "oh, if there's any man applying for the job, they will just overlook you" they figure the man has a family to support, they need the job...you have, or should very well have a husband supporting you!"
well, it wasn't that grand....my husband was unemployed, and the texas social service system was designed mainly to take care of those single moms out there, not any families.....I needed the money just as badly as any man out there!
and was probably more qualified than many of the ones who got the job.

even now, I've been in the same industry for over five years. my three boys, well, they are now raised. so, all I am concerned with now is just making enough for me to live on...is that too much to ask, I mean I figure that would be around 9 to ten an hour, I like a modest life anyways, but require a car, car insurance, a meal every day, a roof over my head, and well, some clothes on my back. it's forbidden to talk wages in my shop, but I know danged well that the men are making at least that nine dollars an hour, many of these men screw up at least one of their jobs a day, have crappy attendance records, and well, alot of them spend at least an hour every day just wondering around, back and forth to the water fountain or whatever. I know that I am a better employee than them, and yet.....I ain't never made it to $9 an hour in my life! my kids, the first jobs they get is over that amount. could it be, they are boys, soon to have families to support, while well, I am a women, I should have a man taking care of me, I don't need the money!! well, I have health insurance now, but still, I have a nice lump growing in my gut that I can feel along with the pain that is accompanying it. and I know that my family will run out of funds paying the medical bills before the danged doctors even quit screwing around finding the cause. it's already happened with the foot. so, well, why bother....why drag the whole danged family down into the gutter again, expecting my husband to contribute his hard earned money for someone that society doesn't even think is worthy of a wage that will keep her alive. I just let the danged thing grow, go to work for my paltry salary, come home and sign the check, let my husband drop it in the bank and pay the bills....and well, whatever happens to the rest (isn't much anyways) is up to him!
But, regardless of husband or not, I think I need a decent wage just as badly as any man out there.
I went a time as a stay at home mom, ya know what....I'd be willing to bet that those stay at home moms have a greater chance of being uninsured than any other group in this country. look at the difference between the cost to an employee of a company to insure himself, as opposed to that of insuring his family. the gov't has now adopted programs to help the kids get it, but well...when it comes to the wife, well, it's a little bit trickier. maybe addressing this issue would be productive for you than to just point at a small segment of what IS the feminist movement and proceeding to blame the feminist movement for all of society's ills?
but, I still say that it society would function better if we would just assume that both men and women are equally responsible for both the financial and the domestic duties within the household. that would mean that men would be responsible for himself, women would be responsible for herself, they both would be responsible for the children...both financially as well as the care and nurturing, the drives to school to pick up the sick child, the doctor's visits, the daycare costs ect, at least when it comes to the issue of divorce, child support, wages, ect. ensuring that both the man and the women can at least make enough to provide a suitable MODEST living for them, even if they chose to be separated would make a great improvement to that portion of the budget that you claim to be "unconstitutional" (I agree with that by the way.) there would be a reward automatically built in, since well, the couple that stays together only runs one household, so the cost is overall is lower.

Originally posted by dawnstar
I'm sorry if our desires for our gets to have some of the very same things that our tax money is probably being used to give your kids has so negatively affected you that now you feel pressured to have to work...
that is such a shame!

i am not sure what this part means, but seriously, it sounds like you are slinging mud around now. your tax money does NOTHING for me. i do not take part in programs that steal from others pockets to pay for my kids way and my way. i work my ass off and pay everything the fair way.

because of the woman's liib movement and business owners having to compensate for their time off to have kids, stay home each month, the sexual harrassment suits, the law suits for not hiring a woman, BLAH BLAH BLAH i am having to pay HIGHER for most of the things my children NEED not want.

i would rather my kids have me at home w/ them then have the nicest house, etc. i feel sorry for the kids whose moms are deceived by material possessions to the point where they are gone so much despite the fact that they may have the nicest of everything rather than being home w/ their babies in modest surroundings where they *snippin'* belong.

it is a sad sad backward world when ppl would rather work their arses off for illusions than be home raising their own kids. sure, you hand yours off to whomever.......... i kind of like mine and don't want to sell their childhood out for what i am being told we have to live up to.

reply to post by justamomma


I handed mine off to my husband....what, was he incapable of raising his own kids?

and at the moment, I dont work for the nicest house, I am working for the health insurance....just in case, ya know, I happen to break a bone...won't do anyone any good if that happens and all the doctors are refusing to treat me because I have no health insurance?? just can't see where allowing myself to be an invalid is gonna help anything.

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because of the woman's liib movement and business owners having to compensate for their time off to have kids, stay home each month, the sexual harrassment suits, the law suits for not hiring a woman, BLAH BLAH BLAH i am having to pay HIGHER for most of the things my children NEED not want.
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ya, and the declining dollar, the corporate greed has nothing whatsoever to do with the cost of living??

if the businesses pay for a man to be off work because of any illness...then yes, pregnacy should be considered in the same category. and ya know what, I ain't never missed a day of work because of monthy cycle, and if there was discrimination involved in their hiring policies, ya, they should be sued!
what they heck, we ain't paying out the arse now because both momma AND daddy want their own way ALL of the time and just can't seem to give in once in awhile and end up splitting up, leaving momma so ill-equipped to earn even a fair share of the costs of raising them in a world where, na she shouldn't need that decent wage, let's ignore her application, let's give the raise to the man with the family...blah, blah, blah!! child support enforcement was more than a joke up till recently. I've know fathers with six or seven kids, all with different moms getting off with paying only $100 a month! who's paying for all these kids, their moms? we, the taxpayer are. not the businesses that hire them, they have neat little tax breaks if they hire them, then they'll pay them a dollar or two less an hour than their male counterparts, and they don't even have to worry about them starving, or being homeless....our fine government will do that for them...with our money. the old way isn't working in the new world, blame whoever you like, but isn't now working, it won't work.

[edit on 20-7-2008 by dawnstar]

Originally posted by dawnstar
it doesn't matter weather the whole population of males are wife beaters, or just two or three....you don't insist that those two or three wives out there just sit there and take it...pray to god to change him but leave her powerless to do anything about it!
it's the women who feeds the children, the women by all rights should have the means to go out and earn the means to get that food if need be!

uhm, i am living proof that it can be done OFF THE PROGRAMS!!!! i am proof that you can live in a modest home w/ unspoiled children all w/out the man. that doesn't mean that i want to though. i have had to walk the tough road and am happy to do it for my kids bc i love them.

but that is also why i am all for teaching our younger women not to settle, but to choose your husband wisely in the first place. just because divorce can be your way out, doesn't mean it should be used as a "free for all" in marriage. just bc abortion, condoms, birth control, etc is there, doesn't mean it should be used as a free for all in sex.

i want to hit the young girls up w/ the right information BEFORE they get into an abusive relationship. we are seeing more women in abusive relationship NOW then ever before............ HOW HAS YOUR WOMAN'S LIB movement helped if things are worse??? do you not see the *snipped* up message that has been sent to our mothers, us, and now our daughters, nieces, etc?

[edit on 20-7-2008 by justamomma]

Originally posted by dawnstar
reply to post by justamomma

 

I handed mine off to my husband....what, was he incapable of raising his own kids?

and at the moment, I dont work for the nicest house, I am working for the health insurance....just in case, ya know, I happen to break a bone...won't do anyone any good if that happens and all the doctors are refusing to treat me because I have no health insurance?? just can't see where allowing myself to be an invalid is gonna help anything.

i had no clue you had handed off your kids (arrrghhh!!! why do you say handed off??? ), and in fact, it might have been in their better interest honestly.

but you did make it sound as though you were working for them, not just yourself which is pretty crappy.

and for the record, if things in this world were based more off of personal responsibility, you would be able to afford the health care you needed w/out the insurance.

i don't insure myself like that. i don't work to pay for something that may not happen. around here, i am lucky to have a doc for my kids and myself who doesn't accept medicade and works WITH THE PPL should they need the care. the system he has going keeps the costs down for the ppl and by the ppl.

get a clue!!!

[edit on 20-7-2008 by justamomma]

reply to post by justamomma

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by dawnstar
reply to post by justamomma

 

I handed mine off to my husband....what, was he incapable of raising his own kids?

and at the moment, I dont work for the nicest house, I am working for the health insurance....just in case, ya know, I happen to break a bone...won't do anyone any good if that happens and all the doctors are refusing to treat me because I have no health insurance?? just can't see where allowing myself to be an invalid is gonna help anything.

i had no clue you had handed off your kids (arrrghhh!!! why do you say handed off???

), and in fact, it might have been in their better interest honestly.

but you did make it sound as though you were working for them, not just yourself which is pretty crappy.

and for the record, if things in this world were based more off of personal responsibility, you would be able to afford the health care you needed w/out the insurance.

i don't insure myself like that. i don't work to pay for something that may not happen. around here, i am lucky to have a doc for my kids and myself who doesn't accept medicade and works WITH THE PPL should they need the care. the system he has going keeps the costs down for the ppl and by the ppl.

get a clue!!!

[edit on 20-7-2008 by justamomma]

in a world where it's legal for a husband to rape his wife, you wouldn't hear of the abuse so much, would you??

and, I said "handed off" because that's how you referred to it!!

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"but you did make it sound as though you were working for them, not just yourself which is pretty crappy."
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ummm...ya, much better to let them live in substandard housing with the sewage leaking through the pipes in the baseben because your husband's income can't handle the recent increase (which is set by our friendly government through their hud program)....at your previous hud apartment!
and well, the last couple years of my kid's childhood, I came very, very close, too close, to never being able to walk again simply because there was no health insurance for me, I had quit my job that gave me the health insurance when the medical bills ate up all my money.....the pain became unbearable just driving to the job, and the doctors were still screwing around trying to suck every last cent they could from me instead of actually doing their job and making a diagnosis. I spent a week with a splint on my leg, trying to convince doctors to set the thing...it was only a call from a state legislature that convinced them! and guess what, some of those days, I had asked hubby and kids, just to bring me in a peice of toast with peanut butter....think I got it? think any of them washed a dish?? thing any of the cooked a meal?? na...guess who was balancing herself on one leg, the other in a splint, doing the dishes and cooking the meal?

hey, I thought I was marrying a decent guy, and he can be, as long as the resources are enough for him to be able to share and still has what he needs. I married someone who was working, supporting himself at the age of 16, he was in an occupation, that at the time, you'd think had alot of potential. what the heck, my neighbor was in the same occupation when I was a kid, and he was providing a really nice lifestyle for his family. things change, stress does odd things to people, and the person you married more than likely will change also.

reply to post by dawnstar


i just want to see more young women educated that their freedom should be used responsibly like when choosing their husbands. if more girls would take their time and test their interested suitors w/ greater care than maybe a lot of the abuse, divorce, unsatisfied couples could be greatly reduced.

i can look back and see very easily that my then "happy go lucky" man had the tendencies toward anger that he did. the signs were there, but i was just uneducated as to how important this choice was. i blame no one, bc there just is no point. i have to learn from my mistakes and move on, apply those learning experiences and i also would like to help educate other young women AND men so maybe they won't make the same choices (although so few are learning from their own mistakes these days, so i doubt my mistakes will fare any better as a learning experience for others lol)

i wish you well on your journey. life is tough, but it is so for a reason

[edit on 20-7-2008 by justamomma]

reply to post by justamomma


by what I see, many aren't even waiting for the marriage to become a reality, or even a speck in the realm of possibilities. but they're by far not the only ones being irresponsible! they don't get pregnant alone.
businesses and government are being just as irresponsible also.

I don't really see where they've been given much of an opportunity to be responsible though. we wanted equal rights, which means independance....instead of getting that, we were given the choice of lords, a husband, or the government. or of, course, you can try to go it alone, in a world where you're the fodder for big business and their "record profits". ya, you might luck out, and actually find a place that will give you the reward you deserve......a wage that will actually allow you to live that independant life, but well.....it's by far still more likely that you won't....so, there's your choice, which lord do you desire.
unfortunately, one of the lords is gonna go bankrupt soon, I'm afraid. if mommy and daddy really care about little tammie and freddie, well, they really better start working together and do everything they can to stay together. that doesn't require one always letting the other make the decisions, one having to burden all of the financial burdens, one having to burden all the domestic burdens, one having the spending power, with the other having to graciously accept whatever he gives. it means that both need to go way beyond the extra mile to help the other out, however is necessary.

Originally posted by dawnstar
by what I see, many aren't even waiting for the marriage to become a reality, or even a speck in the realm of possibilities. but they're by far not the only ones being irresponsible! they don't get pregnant alone.

they don't? teasing! i understand that they don't get pregnant alone. that is why these young girls should start being taught BY THEIR MOTHERS to respect their bodies and see themselves as precious beings, the givers of life to this planet.

they need to learn that a real woman's lib movement would bring about an awareness of the option they have in choosing their mate wisely. they should choose a man who is patient and kind, strong and confident (confident meaning that he makes good chooses confidently), loving and caring, etc.

the female body is not JUST an object, it is far more than that. it has a function and if that function is not being used in a wise manner, it is being wasted.

i know, i know, i know that ppl hate to see themselves in such an objective light, but that is what we are....... machines w/ functions combined w/ a soul (conscience) that allows us to decipher the correct path to choose. it is the mother's job to train the child their purpose in this life. do you really think this life was meant to be wasted on trivial carnal desires? (in this case, men need to be the ones to sit down and shut up lol) sure, there is pleasure in things that are carnal, but if those are your ultimate pursuits, then evil (satan) has won in your personal life and those selfish desires will destroy you and your future.

this life may or may not be it for us. that all depends on what we are teaching the little ones. if we teach them to pursue the right things, then we have a future through them. if we continue to teach by example to pursue the selfish things in life, then we don't need to worry about something external destroying mankind bc we will accomplish our own destruction ourselves. that is a scary thought.

it has been said that women rule the world and once we figure that out, the world is in trouble. this is proving to be true. we can change that only if we can change our mindset.

reply to post by justamomma

ummm....I only had sons.....
I taught them that it was just as much their responsibility to prevent pregnancy as it is the girls, that it's wise to wait till you have established a good financial base before even thinking about it, and well....
consider the girl that might be mother of you child, because well, don't care how you cut it, marry her, or not, divorce or whatever, you will still have to deal with her for at least 18 or 20 years....

Originally posted by dawnstar
reply to post by justamomma

 

ummm....I only had sons.....
I taught them that it was just as much their responsibility to prevent pregnancy as it is the girls, that it's wise to wait till you have established a good financial base before even thinking about it, and well....
consider the girl that might be mother of you child, because well, don't care how you cut it, marry her, or not, divorce or whatever, you will still have to deal with her for at least 18 or 20 years....

first off, thank you for sticking around in this thread to discuss this w/ me. i find that i learn more from discussing these things w/ someone who has a different outlook than discussing them w/ someone who has the same. so, i appreciate your patience and kindness.

i only have sons as well. they are 5 and (almost) 7yrs of age. when we come home from anywhere they both rush to the door enthusiastically trying to beat one another on opening it for me. i am greeted upon entry into my house w/ a huge grin and a "come in my lady." i did not teach this to them. what i have taught them to do is to respect women and to understand both their important role in this life and women's important role. i am filled w/ pride at the way they protect the girls around them and try to help them in any way possible..

all i have done is laid down the foundation and protected that foundation to the best of my ability. the fruits of that labor is showing and let me tell you, no amount of money or recognition can beat that feeling of pride i have in them.

now, i am careful never to say something like "you have to deal w/ her for......" bc although i understand what you are saying, i don't ever want them to get the impression that a woman is someone that they HAVE to deal with. it cheapens the experience of the partnership i would like them to have w/ a young lady one day and parenthood. these roles, being a husband and a father are roles i want them to cherish, nurture, and take pride in. i want them to take it seriously as a not only a privelege, but a responsibility that if done correctly, will reap them great rewards that can't be given, but only grown through patience and love.

i will never hand them a condom bc that would suggest to them that women can be used w/out the "consequence" of responsibility. this idea someone had to pass these out in schools was a poisonous idea that teaches the children the very opposite of the message we as women want to get out there about ourselves. we are not toys that should a man "mess up," they have to "deal" with it.

pregnancy is not a punishment as we in this society have been telling young children through the message of condoms and abortion. babies are a blessing, not a curse. we shouldn't be teaching them how to play w/out responsibility, we should be teaching them how to handle the responsibility.

i would rather have my kids have a life filled w/ real contentment and pride in who they are then "have it all" but still feel empty. i want them to reap the same joy i have reaped through not only having them, but raising them through hard work and determination.

plant the correct seeds into their hearts, protect those seeds, nourish them, and you will have sons that you can be proud to send out into the world. it will be both your legacy and your contribution to the world.

reply to post by justamomma

oh, believe me, they know what I am saying when I say you'll have to deal with her....
I mean that if you do happen to make her pregnant, well, then, you are responsible for 18 or more years, to not only support those children, but her as well, since she is the mother of your children, and if she isn't support, well, the kids more than likely won't be either. they won't be able to run away from that responsibility, the laws won't let them, and neither will I.
there is really no such thing as divorce really, especially once children enter the picture. the emotional ties, the responsibility, are not as easily broken as it is to get that peice of paper for a marriage or a divorce. you will be stuck, in all practical terms, having to deal with this lady for the next 18 or more years of your life. consider how yours communicate with each other, how flexible yous are to each other's wishes, how happy yous are with each other ...at yous are now. if you can't really see yourself living with this person for at least 18 years, if not more, well, maybe you should forget about the sex act...since ain't no birth control 100% effective and well, those accidents can destroy lives.

as far as respect goes, my sons vary on that one. I got one that seems that he will be someone's prince charming, always willing to come to the ladies rescue. he's had girls fighting over him since he was 6 years old....and was looking at me, asking, what is there problem, I like them both...they're my friends. he was also given his lunch money away to his friends and racking up a nice debt at school for awhile till I figured out what was going on, and still is more than willing to help anyone out that he finds that needs it.
another is in the navy, and well, such an environment isn't that suitable to fostering care and compassion. but still, he will bend over backward for those he cares about. he's the only one that's taken an interest in cooking, has helped me out when I really needed it, ect.
my youngest, well, he recently broken up with his girlfriend, which surprised the heck out of me really. they seemed to nuts over each other. but, well, as he explained it, it's only till she gets out of school, and he still sees her when she is home. he realizes the importance of her going after this and ensuring her own financial future. and well, as far as I know, he hasn't found anyone else he's interested in.
they will all lend me money if I needed it, or to each other...they stay in touch with each other, matter of fact, my one son will be picking up the other at the bus halfway on his trip home from the base in norfolk and they will be visiting here together, at least for a little while... they are good kids, surprisingly.
but, anyway, that's my family...my husband and me blundered our way through, had a hard time even providing the basic necessities, but well, we've managed to raise them, they all have jobs, they are still all childless which is more than I can say about alot of the kids their age that I know of.

In reading this thread over and over...I keep coming up with the concept that the Bible is Sexist. I am at a loss to understand this concept in the large overview of the history written there.

When one says the Bible is Sexist...is this ,in a manner of speaking, similar to the statement I saw on one post that the Bible is not sufficiently "gender inclusive"? I will admit that one took me for a flip as I had not seen it worded in such a manner.


Is the Bible Sexist..or not sufficiently Gender Inclusive??

Curious about this!!

Thanks,
Orangetom

does anyone else think that religion is interpreted by the reader and not the "rules"? i bet a priests view would differ from that of another priest, this thread got me thinking. thanks!

Originally posted by orangetom1999
In reading this thread over and over...I keep coming up with the concept that the Bible is Sexist. I am at a loss to understand this concept in the large overview of the history written there.

When one says the Bible is Sexist...is this ,in a manner of speaking, similar to the statement I saw on one post that the Bible is not sufficiently "gender inclusive"? I will admit that one took me for a flip as I had not seen it worded in such a manner.


Is the Bible Sexist..or not sufficiently Gender Inclusive??

Curious about this!!

Thanks,
Orangetom

the way i view the bible is pretty much how i view everything in my life.. coupled w/ the Truth that is written on my heart, it is interpreted to me by my Creator. just like the above poster pointed out, everyone views it differently. know why that is? BECAUSE WE ARE INDIVIDUALS!!!

the way it is revealed to me is from beginning to end, it is the personal journey of my life. God/Satan is me. it is who i am, my dual nature... one to serve my purpose in life and one to serve myself. the Father is my Creator, the one who wrote the laws on my heart. free will is either going to by guided by satan (the light to my selfishness) or by jesus (the light to my purpose in this life).

as far as when it speaks of women, i think there is something very profound in what the bible teaches. women are the givers and nurturers of life. we are to be protected and cherished in our role. should we stray outside that role, we NEED to be put back into our place by the ones who were designated to be the "rulers" and protectors of "life" aka men.

this is nothing to resent, but something women should take pride in. the man is the covering for the woman. she answers to him and he answers to the creator.

it is set up this way so that through "answering" to someone we are able to stay "in check" w/ our designed roles. WE ARE DESIGNED FOR A BEAUTIFUL PURPOSE..... that purpose is life. selfishness leads to death (and this is literal bc the more we continue in our selfish paths, the more life, including mankind is destroyed).

come on...... if ppl are just honest, especially women, w/ ourselves, there are times when we really should just sit down and shut up. quit being so offended, listen, and maybe you can start to realize how beautiful and how purposeful the "system" was meant to be.

reply to post by justamomma

"she answers to him and he answers to the creator."
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the sheep hear his voice, and only him will the follow....

seems kind of contridictory, doesn't it?
does this mean, that well, I can go on a murdering spree and be left off the hook when it comes to God's judgement, if I can just get my husband to forgive me? didn't think so.

jesus said something to the effect that even the little birds, they don't work, and yet, God feeds them. he is the nourisher...the protector. I kind of get the feeling that we are susposed to trust in Him for this, not another human. and well, who is it, that that husband is looking to for this...but another human...a boss, who is looking at his customers, who are looking........
all the way up the chain. to kings and priests....
remember the old game where one child will whisper something to another, who will whisper what he thinks he heard to another, then on through about 20 or so kids.....did the last kid ever get the same message that was originally given?
before christ came, and his sheep were able to hear his voice, well, that's how the word of God was delivered, through the chain of command, with about the same results.
you can be dependant on this government, the employers, the husbands, all all the worldly powers on this planet to provide for you and protect you, or you can depend on God to do this for you. if you chose the latter and follow his voice, ya, more than likely he's gonna tell ya to go along with the worldly powers, why raise up the waves unnecessarily. or he might not, he might decide that your husband, your boss, the government, or whoever has crossed the line, and they you can have the choice....follow his voice, or depend on those worldly powers.

perhapsed I should try this again..from this post here about the bible not being sufficiently gender inclusive...

Here at this link....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This post by Mr Bender he uses the term Gender Inclusive. THis caught me by surprise as it is the first time I had seen it used in such a context to describe the Bible. This is what I am thinking when I see people describe the Bible as sexist...that it should be more gender inclusive. Am I understanding this correctly on the part of many of the posters??

Thanks,
Orangetom

The bibel say a lot of things and we dont realy get anny of it right.

The bibel say that "Man" can "take" a wife. And man thinks that "take" means to own and do as they like with them. We are stronger .We are the protector and shold be honored by it.

We seam to forget that the bibel also talkes about love and honer for ouer next of kind. Treat youre next as you would like to be treated youre self.

In sted of respecting ouer second halvf we rather stick to human made traditions. Traditions and religion has nothing to do with each other.

We seldom respect the word of God or the words spoken in the bibel. We just use them as we see fitt. And we have the power to inforce them. And thats what some menn do.