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Originally posted by cstyle226
You said Islam calls for your death, and that's why you left it. But according to your logic, if you were of Islam, it wasn't calling for your death, so what I'm gathering from your statements, is that you are lying about leaving Islam, and that you were never part of Islam, and that the only reason you are saying Islam is calling for your death is because you believe that everyone who is not of Islam (like you), is required to be killed by those who are.
But whatever your background, I join them in their call.
If Islam is the root of Islamic terror, as I believe it is, then how can we ever end terror without addressing that?
Originally posted by cstyle226
Plus, since so many of you believe Islam is calling for the death of everyone who is not of Islam, then it would be safe to assume from that logic that terrorism will never end.
See the circle there, by demonizing Islam...you are demonizing yourselves in Islam's eyes (but since you believe you already are demonized in Islam's eyes, you're not giving yourself a chance).
So going with the discussion here, the only solution is an all out war, and whichever side achieves genocide first, wins.
A Letter to Mankind
Dear fellow human,
Today humanity is being challenged. Unthinkable atrocities take place on daily basis. There is an evil force at work that aims to destroy us. The agents of this evil respect nothing; not even the lives of children. Every day there are bombings, every day innocent people are targeted and murdered. It seems as if we are helpless. But we are not!
The ancient Chinese sage Sun Zi said, "Know your enemy and you won't be defeated". Do we know our enemy? If we don't, then we are doomed.
Terrorism is not an ideology, it is a tool; but the terrorists kill for an ideology. They call that ideology Islam.
The entire world, both Muslims and non-Muslims claim that the terrorists have hijacked "the religion of peace" and Islam does not condone violence.
Who is right? Do the terrorists understand Islam better, or do those who decry them? The answer to this question is the key to our victory, and failure to find that key will result in our loss and death will be upon us. The key is in the Quran and the history of Islam.
Those of us, who know Islam, know that the understanding of the terrorists of Islam is correct. They are doing nothing that their prophet did not do and did not encourage his followers to do. Murder, rape, assassination, beheading, massacre and sacrilege of the dead "to delight the hearts of the believers" were all practiced by Muhammad, were taught by him and were observed by Muslims throughout their history.
If truth has ever mattered, it matters most now! This is the time that we have to call a spade a spade. This is the time that we have to find the root of the problem and eradicate it. The root of Islamic terrorism is Islam. The proof of that is the Quran.
We are a group of ex-Muslims who have seen the face of the evil and have risen to warn the world. No matter how painful the truth may be, only truth can set us free. Why this much denial? Why so much obstinacy? How many more innocent lives should be lost before YOU open your eyes? A nuclear disaster is upon us. This will happen. It is not a question of "if" but "when". Oblivious of that, the world is digging its head deeper in the sand.
We urge the Muslims to leave Islam. Stop with excuses, justifications and rationalizations. Stop dividing mankind into "us" vs. "them" and Muslims vs. Kafirs. We are One people, One mankind! Muhammad was not a messenger of God. It is time that we end this insanity and face the truth. The terrorists take their moral support and the validation for their actions from you. Your very adherence to their cult of death is a nod of approval for their crimes against humanity.
We also urge the non-Muslims to stop being politically correct lest they hurt the sensitivities of the Muslims. To Hell with their sensitivities! Let us save their lives, and the lives of millions of innocent people.
Millions, if not billions of lives will be lost if we do nothing. Time is running out! "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing." Do something! Send this message to everyone in your address book and ask them to do the same. Defeat Islam and stop terrorism. This is your world, save it.
The ex-Muslim Movement
Originally posted by bodrul
i see your point in a vague way
becuase of what you went through with ur husbend
( how long did you know this person before marrying him becuase you knew so little about him )
Originally posted by cstyle226
My avatar is a Turkish Soldier.
I am Turkish, but I was born in Indiana, and am an American as well.
I do not believe in God or any religion, but the more I hear the anti-Islamic speak, the more I am driven towards it. It infuriates me that these Christians, who do not want to be considered Kafir, are in a sense, labeling them all as such.
It's hypocrisy.
Originally posted by ZeroDeep
Ibn Iblis,
Why are Muslims your enemy? Is there an all out war between every Muslims on this planet against every non-muslim? If so, please, for everyones sake, fill me in. All i see is fundamentalist Christians against Fundamentalist Muslims.
You seem very ignorant and use 'certain' verses out of whatever Islamic text that falls in your lap, to make your point --whatever that is; there is an ample amount of Islamic texts that perceieve Muhhameds 'teachings' in thier own accord depending on the sociopolitical atmosphere written at the time.
You're name is offensive aswell, not only that, you have only partaken in threads pertaining to Islam....
Muslims are as violent as Jews; muslims are as violent as Buddhists; Muslims are as violent as Sikhs; Muslims are as violent as Christians.
Deep
Originally posted by ZeroDeep
What muslim lands? Prove to me they are taught nothing but Islamic doctrine. What is wrong with converting to Islam ? Have you heard of Sufism, the highly spiritual and metaphysical aspect of Islam ? I want to see some emperical facts that ascertain the notion that Muslims are taught nothing but thier own creed in thier countries.
Also, what hadith are you talking about?
Deep
Originally posted by cstyle226
Correct, and I know that....
But it started to kill the oppressors in the first place. Whoever it be...
Now it's the American empire they are fighting against.
But they did it against the Brits, and they'll do again for any other invading force.
CORRECTION CORRECTION CORRECTION
Actually, when I said "if the "kafir" were not there in the first place, there would be no Jihad" I was correct, because I am referring to any invaders and oppressors.
Now it's the US, so they are the target.
Mesopotamia, is that it has been the constant target of Imperialism, and Jihad is just a response to this imperialism.
Originally posted by cstyle226
I am a Turk and a descendant of the Ottoman Empire.
I don't support oppression of any kind. IT'S ALL WRONG.
What part of that don't you get?
Your arrogance and anger is your problem more than anything else, Ibn Iblis.
Take a look in the mirror.
Originally posted by edsinger
What if Gabriel was not who he claimed to be? Not the same one that announced the Savior? What if?
Originally posted by cstyle226
I noticed in your Anti-Islam tirade, Pathetic fool of Dar Al-Harb, that you didn't mention anything about what happened to the Native Americans, who were slaughtered, so you can live here, and preach your arrogance.
Why is that? Because only events of long ago Muslims bother you...
Since forever, everyone was killing everyone...today, we look at who is in the wrong...and it's not the Iraqi's.
And a billion muslims are not terrorists trying to kill the infidel, and if you believe that, you deserve to be killed, and that has nothing to do with any religion.
I liken Al-Qaeda to the KKK.
Originally posted by Simulacra
Originally posted by edsinger
What if Gabriel was not who he claimed to be? Not the same one that announced the Savior? What if?
One can even argue that Gabriel started Islam. Or at least inspired it. The prophet was sleeping and he heard a voice in his ear claiming to be 'Gabriel'. In short, it scared the hell out of him. This is why he thought it was evil. Not necessarily that it was evil. Imagine if this happened to you, wouldnt you be just a little startled.
Edsinger, like I said in my previous post, I majored in religious studies, however I smoked a lot of herbal substances, so the info is up there, just scattered around. I'll try to answer your question a little better when it comes back to me
Originally posted by cstyle226
I noticed in your Anti-Islam tirade, Pathetic fool of Dar Al-Harb, that you didn't mention anything about what happened to the Native Americans, who were slaughtered, so you can live here, and preach your arrogance.
Why is that? Because only events of long ago Muslims bother you...
Since forever, everyone was killing everyone...today, we look at who is in the wrong...and it's not the Iraqi's.
And a billion muslims are not terrorists trying to kill the infidel, and if you believe that, you deserve to be killed, and that has nothing to do with any religion.
I liken Al-Qaeda to the KKK.
[edit on 10-11-2004 by cstyle226]