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Islamophobia is it that bad on ATS?

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posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 08:00 AM
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You need to learn that not everyone of a certain group can easily be lumped into a comfortable stereotype, so that you can demonize 1 BILLION people.

You are the one that needs growing up.




posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 08:01 AM
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Well, Gazrok, when you listen to some of these people, Jihad doesn't seem like such a bad idea.


Jihad is one thing...

Cheering those who use the deliberate kidnapping, torture, and execution of innocents, and those who fire at their enemy while shooting over the heads of human shields....well, that's quite another.

Out of curiousity, if you are so against what America stands for, why do you stay?



posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 08:03 AM
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Fine, I'll meet you at Sears Tower observation deck, this Saturday at 10:00am. Public enough? I don't want to harm you, convert you, just talk to you. Want to find out where all this Hate comes from. You served on the Turkish border from Chicago? Lots to discuss here. Too much for this limited forum.



posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 08:14 AM
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~Gazrok~

I am not against America. I strongly disagree with the current government, it's policies, and the people trying to demonize 1 billion for the acts of a few. I believe the current policies will do nothing to stop terrorism, and will only increase it. Plain and simple.

When it comes down to it, I do not believe in God. I believe the killing of any innocent people is wrong, ALWAYS, by anyone. And I believe those who preach distrust, are not innocent, no matter whose side they are on, and they do deserve whatever happens to them.

~DrHoracid~
While I am sure that you are nice and all...I am seriously way too busy, and smart enough to know better, than to be meeting with people met on message boards, who have already displayed such anger towards me, then all of sudden, act nice.

Even if none of that were the case, I still wouldn't do it, because it's just not a good idea. No disrespect.

And as for my service, I served for Turkey on the Southern Border for 6 months, before, during, and after (for a bit) the US-led invasion of Iraq.

You all can hate me all you want, you can mock me all you want. I don't even believe in any religion, so I have no stake in this. The only reason I made any of these posts was to challenge you people and get you going somewhat, since there doesn't seem to be much of anyone else doing it. I don't care if you hate Islam, or everyone. I tend to be on the side of underdog, and in this case, they are the underdog, and while everyone would like to believe the cause of the US is just, I doubt it.

I've worked for John McCain, Howard Dean, and John Kerry.
I love America.
I love Turkey.

The topic of this thread originally was the question, "Islamophobia: is that bad on ATS?"

We've discovered that the answer is a resounding, "Yes."

[edit on 10-11-2004 by cstyle226]



posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 08:40 AM
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You are the enemy of Islam and you will die at the hand of Muslims if you live long enough.
You are the enemy of America because you support Islam and its spread in it attempt to destroy the constitution .
The "truth" in the torah and gospel is not the same "truth" in the Quran
Islam is not a contiunuation of Christianity Its a rewrite of both to take over the world.

Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”


9.111. Verily, Allâh has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allâh's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Qur'ân. And who is truer to his covenant than Allâh? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success .

9.112. (The believers whose lives Allâh has purchased are) those who repent to Allâh (from polytheism and hypocrisy, etc.), who worship Him, who praise Him, who fast (or go out in Allâh's Cause), who bow down (in prayer), who prostrate themselves (in prayer), who enjoin (people) for Al-Ma'rűf (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism and all what Islâm has ordained) and forbid (people) from Al-Munkar (i.e. disbelief, polytheism of all kinds and all that Islâm has forbidden), and who observe the limits set by Allâh (do all that Allâh has ordained and abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which Allâh has forbidden). And give glad tidings to the believers.

9.113. It is not (proper) for the Prophet and those who believe to ask Allâh's Forgiveness for the Mushrikűn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) even though they be of kin, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the Fire (because they died in a state of disbelief).



posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by KAOSKTRL
You are the enemy of Islam and you will die at the hand of Muslims if you live long enough.


Hopefully, you will first.



posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by KAOSKTRL
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The "truth" in the torah and gospel is not the same "truth" in the Quran
Islam is not a contiunuation of Christianity Its a rewrite of both to take over the world.




Who cares, god does not exist. Its just some old books. Get real



posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by Kollapse


Who cares, god does not exist. Its just some old books. Get real


thats your opinion but for over 1 billion others that is not true.



posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:09 AM
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Turkish “Tolerance” of Jews
A Sobering Historical Assessment

By Andrew G. Bostom

The recent tragic synagogue bombings in Istanbul, targeting the small remnant Jewish community there, have been accompanied, somewhat understandably, by hagiographic assessments of Jewish existence under Turkish suzerainty, dating back for over half a millennium 1-4. Modern strategic alliances between a forcibly secularized, post-Kemalist Turkey, and the state of Israel, however, should not obfuscate a sober analysis of the prevailing conditions for Jews in the Turkish Ottoman Empire during more than five centuries of Muslim theocratic governance under Shari’a law. This critical appraisal may be particularly important in light of the burgeoning Islamist movement within present day Turkish society 5-7.


“…the position of the Jews was in many ways precarious. Like their Christian fellow subjects, the Jews were inferior citizens in the Muslim-Ottoman state which was based on the principle of Muslim superiority. They were regarded as state protégés (dhimmis) and had to pay a special poll tax (jizya) for that protection and as a sign of their inferior status.

You dont care about oppression you just want to oppress people you hate



posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by Kollapse


Who cares, god does not exist. Its just some old books. Get real


thats your opinion but for over 1 billion others that is not true.



One billoin flies cant be wrong, sh*t is good!



posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by Kollapse



One billoin flies cant be wrong, sh*t is good!

so if i said your country's constitution or government was just a piece of sh*t does that mean every one supporting that goverment are flies?
just using your reasoning, where are you from BTW?



posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by Kollapse



One billoin flies cant be wrong, sh*t is good!

so if i said your country's constitution or government was just a piece of sh*t does that mean every one supporting that goverment are flies?
just using your reasoning, where are you from BTW?



you did not understand my methafore,
Dont try pick on my country or something like that, because I simply dont care...I am Me, a member of the global society.



posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by Kollapse



you did not understand my methafore,

you are trying to say that religion is not real , yes or no?


Dont try pick on my country or something like that, because I simply dont care...I am Me, a member of the global society.

no i am showing you the level of importance religion is to people. dont care that is good.
a member of a globabl society that has many religions ,beliefs and goverment types dont think you can just insult one with out insulting the other.



posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
you are trying to say that religion is not real , yes or no?


I'm trying to say that even if one Billion practice religion it does not mean its true or good.


Originally posted by devilwasp

no i am showing you the level of importance religion is to people. dont care that is good.
a member of a globabl society that has many religions ,beliefs and goverment types dont think you can just insult one with out insulting the other.


Well, it was like a fight in the sandbox.
Thorah is best!
No the gospels!
etc...Religion sucks...and yeah, I will gladly insult people that belives in that idiotic "brown thing from uranus".


[edit on 10-11-2004 by Kollapse]



posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:33 AM
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And by the way, I really like Jesus and his philosophy but I really dont think he was divine, he was just a smart guy explaining the fundamentals of socialism.



posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by Kollapse


I'm trying to say that even if one Billion practice religion it does not mean its true or good.

nether was i but you cant just insult it since it plays a major part in people's lives.




Well, it was like a fight in the sandbox.
Thorah is best!
No the gospels!
etc...Religion sucks...and yeah, I will gladly insult people that belives in that idiotic "brown thing from uranus".


[edit on 10-11-2004 by Kollapse]

wtf! fight in the sand box! let me c!
so your quite happy to insult a child? thats real mature and not sad.......note, that was srcasm, end of note



posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by Kollapse
And by the way, I really like Jesus and his philosophy but I really dont think he was divine, he was just a smart guy explaining the fundamentals of socialism.

well why do insult a persons way of life? what if i said that democracy was the crapest invention on earth . i mean come on, all equal , yeah right its easier to take over than comunism.



posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
wtf! fight in the sand box! let me c!
so your quite happy to insult a child? thats real mature and not sad.......note, that was srcasm, end of note



Ok, I admit that I was too harsh, anyway..I think its ok to believe in anything, but when people start to argue with religious stuff I gladly insult them.



posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
well why do insult a persons way of life? what if i said that democracy was the crapest invention on earth . i mean come on, all equal , yeah right its easier to take over than comunism.


Well, Im not a fundamentalist when it comes to jesus words..



posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by Kollapse


Ok, I admit that I was too harsh, anyway..I think its ok to believe in anything, but when people start to argue with religious stuff I gladly insult them.

religion is difficult its not black and white, its gray.
they argue because there is much contravercy.



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