Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

Originally posted by spacedog1973

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by spacedog1973


There are injustices going on every day every hour all over the world. Its better to focus on one, than none. No need to become hysteric.

Right......

Deny ignorance indeed.

With that logic,its better to focus on NONE,and leave hysterics to the grieving victims........

Ok where do we start with this crusade to right wrong? How about we start with this case?

Because it doesn't work that way. There are victims that have been waiting for justice,for years. That....is the ultimate injustice. To cherry-pick victims,based on an agenda,or motivated by race or color. I am mixed,btw,so there is no agenda,to what I say.... I hate race hustling,and I am calling this,for what it is. It sickens me .

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by spacedog1973

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by spacedog1973


There are injustices going on every day every hour all over the world. Its better to focus on one, than none. No need to become hysteric.

Right......

Deny ignorance indeed.

With that logic,its better to focus on NONE,and leave hysterics to the grieving victims........

Ok where do we start with this crusade to right wrong? How about we start with this case?

Because it doesn't work that way. There are victims that have been waiting for justice,for years. That....is the ultimate injustice. To cherry-pick victims,based on an agenda,or motivated by race or color. I am mixed,btw,so there is no agenda,to what I say.... I hate race hustling,and I am calling this,for what it is. It sickens me .

Just because some people are "race hustling" does not change the facts or Zimmerman's
decision to stalk down an unknown, unarmed person and shoot him dead.

reply to post by braindeadconservatives


Sorry if I was heated with you. Apologies.


Unfortunately,I believe BOTH are victims. If Zimmerman is found guilty of a crime,then he is not a victim,but becomes a murder suspect,or outright murder.Presumption of guilt,and the nooses that are out,is what people want right now. they want blood.Makes them no better then Zimmerman.

reply to post by Deranged74

I am not showing bias, just logic...cant see crap from that video....if Trayvon was shot in the heart blood stops pumping immediately, so probably wouldn't be much on anyone, it would take quite awhile.....cops wouldn't put a guy covered in blood in their car....when the cops or DA are good and ready the will release pictures of Zimmerman's alleged injuries.


Broken noses don't always bleed or bleed for very long, my daughter broke hers in Rugby, elbow to the nose, barely bled and looking at her there was no swelling, she looked normal except under the xray. She did pass out though...and if this was a fight and the person who hit her was hyped on adrenaline or really did want to do her in a shot to the nose will incapacitate you...so if Zimmerman felt this was happening or going to happen, then that is a fear for your life.

You can't say what every injury is going to look like or how the body will react.

But back to the law...the Florida law does not require injuries or grade injuries on a scale for deadly force to be used...just the feeling or fear that your life is in danger...sorry you don't like it...but it is what it is.

That's why Chucky Schumer is right on it...gotta get rid of that law that let's people use their constitutional right to defend themselves...everyone should have to take a beating and like it.

All of you do realize that the sociological mechanism that is at work in the Trayvon Martin case is the exact same mechanism that got Obama elected President, right? It is like some sort of perfect laboratory experiment. The subjects are the Black people of the United States. Their behavior in both situations is identical. They are repeatedly acting on emotion with very little reasoning. They are not interested in the objective facts. They are driven by the color of a human beings skin, and their own extreme prejudicial hatred of all that they fear has prevented them from succeeding in the way of their dreams. Quick to blame. Quick to violent action. No understanding. Extreme anger and fear, self loathing and scapegoating.

Peace.

reply to post by braindeadconservatives


Until ALL the evidence is in,he is not Guilty. PERIOD. That's how the justice system works in America. Trust me,I dont want to see anyone walk,if they have done a crime,but it happens. Unless we advocate for changes in the laws,this is how it is. Incompetence is a standard part in Police investigations,at times.

reply to post by XXX777



Exactly...you are spot on....start yelling race and people get paralysed or lash out.

They let the media manipulate them with pictures and what not because of white guilt or PC...or, and this is really sad...they actually still think the media wouldn't lie and would never use a "child's" death for publicity or to incite...not the sweet old media and Uncle Al and those cute Black Panthers.

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by braindeadconservatives

 

Until ALL the evidence is in,he is not Guilty. PERIOD. That's how the justice system works in America. Trust me,I dont want to see anyone walk,if they have done a crime,but it happens. Unless we advocate for changes in the laws,this is how it is. Incompetence is a standard part in Police investigations,at times.

In a court of law he is not guilty-

In my mind he is a the very least a blow hard dumb ass who should have kept his distance
like common sense dictates. I cannot help feeling the way I do, that is only human.

Originally posted by cdesigns
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

That's the problem you get stuck on "17 year old" and "Black" what I see is a 6,2" 150lbs person who is attacking me, dress and acts like a thug, I WILL DEFEND MYSELF. I will never think he's going to kick my butt a little and then go.

I see a fat slob that beats women and cops up coming up to grab me as I walk home and I am going to defend myself. I am going to punch him in the face and bash his head into the ground.

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by spacedog1973

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by spacedog1973


There are injustices going on every day every hour all over the world. Its better to focus on one, than none. No need to become hysteric.

Right......

Deny ignorance indeed.

With that logic,its better to focus on NONE,and leave hysterics to the grieving victims........

Ok where do we start with this crusade to right wrong? How about we start with this case?

Because it doesn't work that way. There are victims that have been waiting for justice,for years. That....is the ultimate injustice. To cherry-pick victims,based on an agenda,or motivated by race or color. I am mixed,btw,so there is no agenda,to what I say.... I hate race hustling,and I am calling this,for what it is. It sickens me .

It might be what you call race hustling now, but thats not how it started. As is the way with such things, people jump on the bandwagon, but that doesn't make it less of a cause.

Is it because of the people involved in the case that disgusts you? Aren't you taking your eye away from the ball? The fact is that this is a genuine case of misjustice however you look at it and whether there is far too much interest or not, is beside the point. Beneath it all, a boy died too young, was not given justice and the parents had to use social media to bring it to light for all of this to happen.

Sure, there are other causes and will continue to be, but this case if handled correctly (Which I am sure it won't) could potentially be a catylst for greater changes which will PREVENT further injustices occurring.

What we seem to disagree on is that prevention is always better than the cure. Justice for Trayvon Martin is next to nothing, if lessons cannot be learned and other tragedies avoided.

This is the most practical way of reducing such injustices. Not fixing them one by one.

Originally posted by braindeadconservatives


In a court of law he is not guilty-

In my mind he is a the very least a blow hard dumb ass who should have kept his distance
like common sense dictates. I cannot help feeling the way I do, that is only human.

That's why I took a step back,when I might have easily sided with those who believe in his guilt.
Because that's what those stoking this,want. I refuse to play that game.

reply to post by sonnny1


A few things that are evident from this mess are:

Most of the people on these threads want guns gone...except for in the hands of the government, which is a terrifying thought.

Most of the people in America are paralysed by white guilt...when they should not be.

Most of the people here and in America do not want self defense to be a defense at all.....which is another terrifying thought.

This is all my view on this current situation.

This story is not a unique story there are many shootings, and murders that happen everyday that have similar circumstances. Whats happening here is the controlled media is used once again to incite aggressive and motivated behavior so certain parties can benefit from the circumstances. The exact circumstances of what happend that night between the two of them will probubly never be known, the event is a stain on our society and we ALL should look at ways to better ourselfs. Dont bite on the apple that the devil is tauting you with, the poilce are not perfect and neither was Trayvon or Zimmerman.

reply to post by timetothink

Most of the people on these threads want guns gone...except for in the hands of the government, which is a terrifying thought.

I have not seen one person say that, much less "most"

Most of the people in America are paralysed by white guilt...when they should not be.

Once again, i have not seen anything like that.

Most of the people here and in America do not want self defense to be a defense at all.....which is another terrifying thought.

Show me one example.

Originally posted by XXX777
All of you do realize that the sociological mechanism that is at work in the Trayvon Martin case is the exact same mechanism that got Obama elected President, right?

OK, - Obama didn't get elected because the GOP oversaw the largest tanking of an
economy in world history???

Or because the VP pick was not smarter than a fifth grader?

What you are doing is called projecting; that is; you pinning your opinions and biases
on external targets that are the subject of your intense feelings.

I suspect you dislike Obama???

It is like some sort of perfect laboratory experiment. The subjects are the Black people of the United States. Their behavior in both situations is identical.

You are projecting your feelings about Obama and black America and pinning it upon black
America

Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.[1]

en.wikipedia.org...

They are repeatedly acting on emotion with very little reasoning.

Like the ATS crowd that thinks Obama is an illegal immigrant, Muslim, Socialist
regardless of the evidence to the contrary...

PROJECTING

They are not interested in the objective facts.

See Obama's main opponents here how have supported the 237 false birth certificates
accusers have presented in the last three years.

Originally posted by spacedog1973


Sure, there are other causes and will continue to be, but this case if handled correctly (Which I am sure it won't) could potentially be a catylst for greater changes which will PREVENT further injustices occurring.

(Which I am sure it won't)

That is telling. Because it WON'T. It hasn't happened for years.Its not going to change because of one incident. It didn't stop rioting, when Rodney King begged for peace. This is an injustice,that wont get better,unless Zimmermans blood is spilled. Thats why its being played out like this. I was skeptical this would bring riots out in the streets this summer,now I am not so skeptical. WHY the President got involved,echos this old quote.....

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.................."

reply to post by TsukiLunar


Go back through my posts I have been called a gun nut etc. because I believe in the 2nd amendment....the white guilt most certainly, that is why this media, Uncle Al blitz is working so well with people yelling get Zimmerman to jail. I know you are on all the same threads I am so denying all of what I wrote, is a lie on your part.

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by TsukiLunar

 

Go back through my posts I have been called a gun nut etc. because I believe in the 2nd amendment....the white guilt most certainly, that is why this media, Uncle Al blitz is working so well with people yelling get Zimmerman to jail. I know you are on all the same threads I am so denying all of what I wrote, is a lie on your part.

So... no proof then? BTW telling me to back up your arguments is counter productive to the point of this site. Which is debate, not "see who can assert something the most".

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I dont have an avatar pertaining to this case.

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by spacedog1973


Sure, there are other causes and will continue to be, but this case if handled correctly (Which I am sure it won't) could potentially be a catylst for greater changes which will PREVENT further injustices occurring.

(Which I am sure it won't)

That is telling. Because it WON'T. It hasn't happened for years.Its not going to change because of one incident. It didn't stop rioting, when Rodney King begged for peace. This is an injustice,that wont get better,unless Zimmermans blood is spilled. Thats why its being played out like this. I was skeptical this would bring riots out in the streets this summer,now I am not so skeptical. WHY the President got involved,echos this old quote.....

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.................."

Im sure it won't because, if you want to go deep, we as a species aren't mature enough to process the choices available.

Obama is the first black president and if you don't think he has suffered continual racism even in his post, then you would be blind. It will take multiple black and women president until we are at such a stage where we are able to reason and learn from these issues.

Just as this issue we won't learn from. Is there institutional racism within the Justice System? of Course. Are there many deniers of this? Of Course. Are some of those deniers in the Justice System, if not in the highest offices in the land? OF COURSE!!

Whether Zimmerman's blood is spilled or not is immaterial. It won't change a thing. The issues will continue and differences and prejudices will continue unabated.

What people don't realize is that we make the world around us. If we each decide that we want to live well, and treat people well, then this will be a beautiful world. However, we don't all share that feeling at the moment, so you have what we have. Division.

I'm not from the US, but I can tell you that from the outside looking in, that division and individualism is your culture, its what you seem to value. This is the outcome, the side-effect for a culture that ridicules social co-oersion and doesn't strive for social justice, but values instead the prospect of riding to the top.