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Originally posted by roadtoad
For deductive logic to work, or aristotalean logic, you use a syllogism, now days they call that boolean algebra, etc.
i.e. a is b; b is c; therefore, a is c.
For a syllogism to be correct, the parts have to be TRUE, and VALID.
OPs syllogism seems to be valid.
The only way you could prove his argument to be not true, would be to prove that 'before you are born, you are non-existent' is not true.
So, how can you do that?
If you can't do that, you can't prove his argument to be false.
Someone is trying to argue that the OPs point is sophistry, but, I don't personally see that.
Originally posted by angellicview
reply to post by MamaJ
You and I think a lot alike. I just don't understand why - if people want some kind of "proof" of life after death, and what it is like - why don't they just look at NDE's?
Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by smithjustinb
From a realistic standpoint, when your brain stops functioning, you are dead. You can't think, perceive anything, you're just dead. Maybe there's more to it than that, but nobody will know until they personally experience it.
Originally posted by Amanda5
To malachi777 - I too had my tonsils removed later in life and I am sorry you had to suffer so much. I too have had a death experience and for me it was - straight to the light. Lots of Souls on either side of me stacked up just like bricks in a wall. I was ready to accept my death and as I am Spiritual and may not have completed my lessons/mission/purpose on Earth I offered to be reincarnated. A peaceful voice stated to me that there was not time for reincarnation. I hovered (wish I could hover on planet Earth) and enjoyed the peace I was feeling and as I decided to return the wall of Souls on my left moved to make room - at exactly the same time I literally slipped/slid down & I woke up in the ambulance - which is where I had heard the ambulance officer say - 70 and dropping.
All I can say about my experience of death - beautiful & peaceful. I have been embraced by our Creator and our Creator is perfect.
his logic isn't twisted...it's circular. Your argument uses the same logic but doesn't follow through, and therefor becomes flawed. Your failing to realize that the beginning and the end are the same. By separate the beginning and the end, both nonexistence, you are creating an imbalance in the universe. There would be more nonexistence than existence. Which would make existence impossible. Haha...maybe? C'mon...that's got to make a little sense? No? Alright I don't know what I'm talking about.
Originally posted by we2rborg
reply to post by smithjustinb
I think maybe you had a few bongs, or watched the Matrix too often, or both.
Let me keep it simple, before birth we or don't exist, then we do, then we die and actually no longer exist, and that means, somehow in some twisted logic we get reborn or come into existence again?
I dont think so buddy, it just means we no longer exist when we die. Sorry to disappoint you.
edit on 7-10-2011 by we2rborg because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Trolloks
The matter that you are made on lives on yes, but our conciousness/soul/what makes you you dies with you. You was not concious before birth, and you are not when you are dead, only when alive, conciousness needs a body to work, something to interact with, when you are dead, your body dies with you, and with it your conciousness.
Fact, as you would say.
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Before you were born, you were dead, and now you are alive. So when you die again, it makes perfect logic sense that you will have another opprotunity for life.
Now, that doesn't mean that there is a heaven or hell, it simply means there is definitely life after death as before this life, you were dead, or not alive (same thing), and now you're alive. Life after death.edit on 6-10-2011 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)
To put it another way using different words:
There is non-existence before and after life. The fact that non-existence preceded life implies the FACT that life can arise from non-existence. Since this is the case, then the period of non-existence after this life has the opportunity for another life arising. It's simple and it's obvious.edit on 6-10-2011 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)edit on 6-10-2011 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)
This pretzel logic proves nothing, IMO. Really it's playing with word meanings. The main flaw is the idea that death is non-existence. Death is the natural outcome of a living organism that for what ever reason can no longer survive in it's environment. Even after death the organism still exists, just not in a living form. Even if it becomes the dust that fertilizes a flower.
Before birth, the organism was not dead. The necessary organic interactions had not yet taken place for it's existence to take place. That is not death, that is unfulfilled potential of life, and if one thing is true of death, it is that it has no potential of life.
Pre-life and post- life are not the same thing even though they in a sense have a similar effect, absence of life.
Non-existence does not precede life. All the raw materials needed for the creation of a human exist in the universe before being "refined" though successive stages. i.e- molecules come together to form the genetic code which is enclosed within the sperm and egg, which join and develop into a foetus, which in time matures into an infant and so on. Sure, it's possible that some of the molecules which were once part of a T. Rex femur went on to be included in a human body, but I'd hardly call this an afterlife, just energy/mass transfer.
If your mother ate a steak while she was pregnant with you and the proteins from the steak were used as raw materials by you while you were developing in the womb, would that constitute reincarnation? Because that's pretty much the argument you're using.
Originally posted by 140BPM
Absolute BS! In some Hospitals here in England, they have placed certain objects up high in Operating Theatres and in the Wards. The reason for this is so that anyone who has a out of body experience can see the strategically placed objects. Guess what, NOBODY to date has mentioned what one of the objects are. In other words. there is no such thing as an out of body experience and there is no such thing as life after death.