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reply posted on 8-10-2011 @ 09:47 PM by Hopeforeveryone

reply to post by akushla99

Oh i've been there and done it, here's good advice - don't get anethetised before you tell them you're a smoker - nasty buisness. Also get sleep paralysis now and then and have a really good technique for lucid dreaming so im more than aware of the strange and unusual states our minds can drift into. Ive had oobe and i didn't think this is my soul leaving my body - i though wow what a freaky hallucination.

From my experience of life it seems that conciousness is a product of the brain. It's where all the processes occur that create the sensation of "being". As all our memories and who we are is stored within the electro/chemical make up of our brain. a good aproach to the afterlife question would be to answer how these physically stored details about self are transfered to a non-physical form of suitable complexity to continue these processes. Also the exact make up of this form would also be of considerable interest.

edit - notice the word "seems" !! it's relevant

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reply posted on 8-10-2011 @ 09:48 PM by akushla99

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone
reply to post by akushla99

Here's the thing - i just don't know and I think, but do not know, that nobody else really "knows". If you really did know and could prove it suficiently then well done and i will be the first to become your follower. There may even be a buck or two in it for us !

Ha ha...here's one way...have a near-death/death EXPERIENCE!

That way...is the 'proof'! (for you).

Akushla

But what if in a near-death experience, you are shown something that isn't the Truth, so you will continue confuddling the masses?

I'm kNot saying yours was like that, but many have been, like that boy that died and went to heaven, met his dead grandfather, who told him things that he couldn't have known by himself. That was a setup!

This whole thing you call Life is a setup.

Ribbit

What?...based on one story?

Are you setting me up?
Am i setting you up?

I've revealed nothing that would try to 'convince' anyone of anything. All i have maintained is that personal experience will 'prove' whatever it is that appears paradoxical.

Akushla

Good day, searchers...have a good one...
Peace

reply posted on 8-10-2011 @ 10:04 PM by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone
reply to post by akushla99

Here's the thing - i just don't know and I think, but do not know, that nobody else really "knows". If you really did know and could prove it suficiently then well done and i will be the first to become your follower. There may even be a buck or two in it for us !

Ha ha...here's one way...have a near-death/death EXPERIENCE!

That way...is the 'proof'! (for you).

Akushla

But what if in a near-death experience, you are shown something that isn't the Truth, so you will continue confuddling the masses?

I'm kNot saying yours was like that, but many have been, like that boy that died and went to heaven, met his dead grandfather, who told him things that he couldn't have known by himself. That was a setup!

This whole thing you call Life is a setup.

Ribbit

What?...based on one story?

Are you setting me up?
Am i setting you up?

I've revealed nothing that would try to 'convince' anyone of anything. All i have maintained is that personal experience will 'prove' whatever it is that appears paradoxical.

Akushla

Good day, searchers...have a good one...
Peace

Then what if it was meant to confuddle you instead?

Again, I'm kNot saying it has, because you have kNot revealed your personal experience, so I cannot say either way, I am just saying . . . What if?

Ribbit

reply posted on 9-10-2011 @ 01:14 AM by TheMatrixusesYou

Crossing my fingers hoping no one has written this already.

You lose a little part of yourself when you speak, move, walk, make sounds, or give off heat. You take in part of yourself when you eat/drink. What I'm talking about here is energy.

reply posted on 9-10-2011 @ 05:17 AM by akushla99

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone
reply to post by akushla99

Here's the thing - i just don't know and I think, but do not know, that nobody else really "knows". If you really did know and could prove it suficiently then well done and i will be the first to become your follower. There may even be a buck or two in it for us !

Ha ha...here's one way...have a near-death/death EXPERIENCE!

That way...is the 'proof'! (for you).

Akushla

But what if in a near-death experience, you are shown something that isn't the Truth, so you will continue confuddling the masses?

I'm kNot saying yours was like that, but many have been, like that boy that died and went to heaven, met his dead grandfather, who told him things that he couldn't have known by himself. That was a setup!

This whole thing you call Life is a setup.

Ribbit

What?...based on one story?

Are you setting me up?
Am i setting you up?

I've revealed nothing that would try to 'convince' anyone of anything. All i have maintained is that personal experience will 'prove' whatever it is that appears paradoxical.

Akushla

Good day, searchers...have a good one...
Peace

Then what if it was meant to confuddle you instead?

Again, I'm kNot saying it has, because you have kNot revealed your personal experience, so I cannot say either way, I am just saying . . . What if?

Ribbit

Befused and confuddled kinda assumes a befusee or a confuddlee, unless i did this to myself, which then brings into kwestion anything and everything i experience...and while I understand completely the notion that we can fool ourselves into anything, and I will always be the one to play the devils advocate...

My kwestion to you or any who would mount the devils horse is,
Do you kwestion every experience you pass through with the same 'ridden' mien? And if so, what are you sure of?

Cheers
Akushla

reply posted on 9-10-2011 @ 05:39 AM by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone
reply to post by akushla99

Here's the thing - i just don't know and I think, but do not know, that nobody else really "knows". If you really did know and could prove it suficiently then well done and i will be the first to become your follower. There may even be a buck or two in it for us !

Ha ha...here's one way...have a near-death/death EXPERIENCE!

That way...is the 'proof'! (for you).

Akushla

But what if in a near-death experience, you are shown something that isn't the Truth, so you will continue confuddling the masses?

I'm kNot saying yours was like that, but many have been, like that boy that died and went to heaven, met his dead grandfather, who told him things that he couldn't have known by himself. That was a setup!

This whole thing you call Life is a setup.

Ribbit

What?...based on one story?

Are you setting me up?
Am i setting you up?

I've revealed nothing that would try to 'convince' anyone of anything. All i have maintained is that personal experience will 'prove' whatever it is that appears paradoxical.

Akushla

Good day, searchers...have a good one...
Peace

Then what if it was meant to confuddle you instead?

Again, I'm kNot saying it has, because you have kNot revealed your personal experience, so I cannot say either way, I am just saying . . . What if?

Ribbit

Befused and confuddled kinda assumes a befusee or a confuddlee, unless i did this to myself, which then brings into kwestion anything and everything i experience...and while I understand completely the notion that we can fool ourselves into anything, and I will always be the one to play the devils advocate...

My kwestion to you or any who would mount the devils horse is,
Do you kwestion every experience you pass through with the same 'ridden' mien? And if so, what are you sure of?

Cheers
Akushla

What am I sure of?

The same "entities" are channeling to everyone receiving legitimate channelings and the message is always based on what the Channeler wants to hear and the Channeler isn't making up the stories they are telling, they are telling the truth about what they were told in the channeling.

And the same "entities" dew'n the channelings to the Channelers, are the same ones that control NDE's, thus, peeps are being played all over the place and by the same "entities". So I'm kNot saying you are fooling yourself, I'm saying you "may" have been fooled by those dew'n the fool'n but since I have no clue what your NDE was, I cannot say for sure.

So why play the ends against the middle?

Dew you really think that's air you're breathing?

Ribbit

reply posted on 9-10-2011 @ 07:51 AM by bottleslingguy

reply to post by ButtUglyToad

that's funny! thanks. I've pretty much always felt this way and for a long time have likened our consciousness to a radio station on the infinite dial. Each brain a specifically tuned antennae (maybe that's where we get the images from Hollywood?) receiving some source energy wavelength or something like that. Today Amit Goswami and many others talk about this as being a field source consciousness type of thingy.

reply posted on 9-10-2011 @ 07:27 PM by Shadow Herder

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by bottleslingguy
You are not conscious of what is going on when you are dead. What does it matter if the ego isn't around to give your energy a coherent individual identity? Knowing I'll return back to the One Soul (just made that term up) makes me feel all warm and cozy, but I like the consciousness of the now.

You're actually very close to the Truth!

Instead of the One Soul, it's the One Consciousness of God/Source! As a Soul, you exist as One Soul, with a Soulmate you were born with and are linked to for an eternity, but in Soulstate, you are connected to the One Consciousness. Here, in your current form, you are disconnected from Source, that's why you cannot remember where you came from but if you could, you wouldn't dew exactly what you have done, because you would know WE are recording EVERYTHING you dew!

WE are the Borg. You will be Assimilated! Resistance is Futile!

Ribbit

Where are you getting the dribble?

reply posted on 9-10-2011 @ 08:19 PM by filosophia

Yes, what you say OP is true, and not only that but this idea is nothing novel. The bhagavad gita says:

Death is inevitable for the living. Life is inevitable for the dead.

Also if energy is neither created nor destroyed it is all an eternal cycle.

However, it's not enough to just encircle endlessly in life, the Buddhist/Hindu Samadhi meditation is about ending the process of life/death and towards the unborn.

reply posted on 10-10-2011 @ 08:33 AM by stevent0314

Originally posted by smithjustinb
Its simple.

Before you were born, you were dead, and now you are alive. So when you die again, it makes perfect logic sense that you will have another opprotunity for life.

Now, that doesn't mean that there is a heaven or hell, it simply means there is definitely life after death as before this life, you were dead, or not alive (same thing), and now you're alive. Life after death.
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To put it another way using different words:
There is non-existence before and after life. The fact that non-existence preceded life implies the FACT that life can arise from non-existence. Since this is the case, then the period of non-existence after this life has the opportunity for another life arising. It's simple and it's obvious.
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FACT: There are no real facts in this post.

It is a collection things that you want to be true.

That is far different from a known fact that we know is true.

I repeal all the stars that have been given.

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reply posted on 10-10-2011 @ 10:11 AM by MrBlueSky

even tho i beleive in ghosts, i dont beleive in god. and im 50/50 on the whole after life thing. you proved nothing with your theory. all you can really do is acknowledge the universe is alive. theres two things garenteed in life, death and taxes!

reply posted on 10-10-2011 @ 10:30 AM by Avatar777

reply to post by MrBlueSky

If you believe in ghosts then you should probably also believe in an after life 100%. I mean ghosts are (at least I understand it this way) beings who once lived in our physical World and have died.

reply posted on 10-10-2011 @ 11:05 AM by hdutton

Allow me to impart a little real life experience into this discussion.

Twice I was pronounced "dead" and yet I live today. While I was "dead", I had no near death experience.

No bright lights, no long dark tunnels. For me the lights went out ... then the lights came back on.

I am not saying this is the true case for everyone, it was just my experience. I have no idea if there is any meaning or message to be learned from my account. I am just relaying my experience.

reply posted on 10-10-2011 @ 12:12 PM by MrBlueSky

reply to post by Avatar777

lol i know mate but the way i see it ghosts could be anythin .. from after life to demons to e.t to time leaking thro ... nothings proven haha everythings a theory!

reply posted on 10-10-2011 @ 12:26 PM by smithjustinb

Originally posted by hdutton
Allow me to impart a little real life experience into this discussion.

Twice I was pronounced "dead" and yet I live today. While I was "dead", I had no near death experience.

No bright lights, no long dark tunnels. For me the lights went out ... then the lights came back on.

I am not saying this is the true case for everyone, it was just my experience. I have no idea if there is any meaning or message to be learned from my account. I am just relaying my experience.

What were your thoughts on an afterlife before your NDE?

Did you believe in God?

Did you believe in a heaven or hell?

reply posted on 10-10-2011 @ 01:15 PM by ProudBird

reply to post by ProudBird

reply to post by smithjustinb

By the way.....besides that movie ("Defending Your Life"....do, please rent or buy it).....there was a very creative made for TV series some years ago (for "ShowTime", a cable and satellite TV pay channel)..

"Dead Like Me"

Really a well-done take on the "afterlife", and how it "might be".....

YouTube Link

10-minute teaser from Episode #1:

YouTube Link

Edit...adding the second 10 minutes...

YouTube Link

My favorite music from the show (by Metisse):

YouTube Link

edit on Mon 10 October 2011 by ProudBird because: anal retentive compulsion for spelling.....

edit on Mon 10 October 2011 by ProudBird because: edit above......is it "god"??

reply posted on 10-10-2011 @ 01:50 PM by hdutton

reply to post by smithjustinb

As I stated in my reply, the lights went out ... the lights came back on.

Yes, I have always believed in God.

I have always been told about a heaven and a hell. I often fear I have not lived good enough as I should to get into heaven and I pray I have not lived bad enough to deserve to go to hell.

reply posted on 10-10-2011 @ 02:32 PM by thebtheb

I don`t think that when we die, we go into `non-existence`` as if THIS life is the only life. I think in a very real way that where we are now is probably much more insignificant than where we are after death. Jane Roberts` Seth says: you are more dead now than you`ll ever be.

reply posted on 10-10-2011 @ 02:44 PM by Solomons

reply to post by hdutton

How will 'you' get in to heaven? We are memories and experiences which are localized in the brain, people who have accidents which result in serious head trauma have become nothing more than blank slates, the person they used to be is completely gone. Lack of oxygen to the brain when you die will kill it and everything that makes you the person you are, just like people with serious head trauma...so even if there is some sort of afterlife(which is extremely doubtful) it will not be you experiencing said afterlife due to the fact i just mentioned, it is utterly irrational and frankly the whole idea is repugnant...why people wish there to be one i will never understand, what a horrible fate.

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reply posted on 10-10-2011 @ 04:09 PM by hdutton

reply to post by Solomons

All I can really say is something like what a man once told me about being rich.

You never truely know how appreciate the things you have until you get real close to losing them.

I had gotten close to being killed on a few occasions before the first time I died.

Since then I have a deep abiding love of this life and think I have learned to appreciate it more and more.

If death is the termination of my existance, then so be it. While I am alive I prefer to be an optomist.

When I wake up in the morning I am thankful for one more day.

I try to live that day as if it were my last .

When I lay down at night I pray the it wasn't.