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Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Originally posted by Xaberz
Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Originally posted by Xaberz
Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Originally posted by Xaberz
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Its simple.
Before you were born, you were dead, and now you are alive. So when you die again, it makes perfect logic sense that you will have another opprotunity for life.
Now, that doesn't mean that there is a heaven or hell, it simply means there is definitely life after death as before this life, you were dead, or not alive (same thing), and now you're alive. Life after death.edit on 6-10-2011 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)
To put it another way using different words:
There is non-existence before and after life. The fact that non-existence preceded life implies the FACT that life can arise from non-existence. Since this is the case, then the period of non-existence after this life has the opportunity for another life arising. It's simple and it's obvious.edit on 6-10-2011 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)edit on 6-10-2011 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)
I get what you're saying, and it does make sense. And once we identify the algorithms for the genetic code that form us into being. It seems very likely that humans will be able to write their own genetic code that will allow humans to create new forms of life out of non-existence. That is kind of a scary thought, but judging by this logic it seems like that can happen.
Life does kNot exist without a Soul being involved, so humans cannot "create new forms of life out of non-existence" for the Soul already exists and it's the Soul that gives the "entity" life. So all humans can dew is create a vessel for a Soul to exist within but those vessels will never host a Soul if it isn't allowed. It's no different than a child. Humans create that vessel to host a Soul and the reason that child has a Soul, is it's allowed but that vessel wasn't designed by humans, it was designed by God/Source, so that vessel was pre-ordained to house a Soul.
So the gist is, if humans create a lifeform vessel and God/Source doesn't agree to give it a Soul, it will never be life so it will never live.
Ribbit
I see what you're saying, but I can see a soul living inside a creature humans created. After all, from what you said life does not exist without a soul in it. And scientists have already created a new form of bacteria using synthetic DNA. www.msnbc.msn.com...-0 And the bacteria was alive as it was able to reproduce. Thus that bacteria with synthetic DNA must have a soul.edit on 10/17/2011 by Xaberz because: (no reason given)
Single-celled lifeforms are powered by the Collective of Souls (WE the Souls), as is all Vegetation, so the reason it "lives" is it has been ordained to live.
Ribbit
I see. Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see if the lifeform vessel will accept a soul if and whenever it is created.
It's kNot whether it will accept a Soul, it's whether WE the Souls will accept it to hold a Soul, to then give it a Soul or "attach" it to the Collective of Souls.
Ribbit
Originally posted by Xaberz
Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Originally posted by Xaberz
Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Originally posted by Xaberz
Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Originally posted by Xaberz
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Its simple.
Before you were born, you were dead, and now you are alive. So when you die again, it makes perfect logic sense that you will have another opprotunity for life.
Now, that doesn't mean that there is a heaven or hell, it simply means there is definitely life after death as before this life, you were dead, or not alive (same thing), and now you're alive. Life after death.edit on 6-10-2011 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)
To put it another way using different words:
There is non-existence before and after life. The fact that non-existence preceded life implies the FACT that life can arise from non-existence. Since this is the case, then the period of non-existence after this life has the opportunity for another life arising. It's simple and it's obvious.edit on 6-10-2011 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)edit on 6-10-2011 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)
I get what you're saying, and it does make sense. And once we identify the algorithms for the genetic code that form us into being. It seems very likely that humans will be able to write their own genetic code that will allow humans to create new forms of life out of non-existence. That is kind of a scary thought, but judging by this logic it seems like that can happen.
Life does kNot exist without a Soul being involved, so humans cannot "create new forms of life out of non-existence" for the Soul already exists and it's the Soul that gives the "entity" life. So all humans can dew is create a vessel for a Soul to exist within but those vessels will never host a Soul if it isn't allowed. It's no different than a child. Humans create that vessel to host a Soul and the reason that child has a Soul, is it's allowed but that vessel wasn't designed by humans, it was designed by God/Source, so that vessel was pre-ordained to house a Soul.
So the gist is, if humans create a lifeform vessel and God/Source doesn't agree to give it a Soul, it will never be life so it will never live.
Ribbit
I see what you're saying, but I can see a soul living inside a creature humans created. After all, from what you said life does not exist without a soul in it. And scientists have already created a new form of bacteria using synthetic DNA. www.msnbc.msn.com...-0 And the bacteria was alive as it was able to reproduce. Thus that bacteria with synthetic DNA must have a soul.edit on 10/17/2011 by Xaberz because: (no reason given)
Single-celled lifeforms are powered by the Collective of Souls (WE the Souls), as is all Vegetation, so the reason it "lives" is it has been ordained to live.
Ribbit
I see. Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see if the lifeform vessel will accept a soul if and whenever it is created.
It's kNot whether it will accept a Soul, it's whether WE the Souls will accept it to hold a Soul, to then give it a Soul or "attach" it to the Collective of Souls.
Ribbit
Wow! You really love semantics. Good for you, haha.
Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone
reply to post by ButtUglyToad
semantics is fine as long as you don't get the map mixed up with the territory It's not that relevant it's just such a good line i had to use it somewhere
Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Originally posted by akushla99
Necessity is driven by need. If there is no 'need' to prove, one way or the other...it is a moot discussion...which is where these discussions end up...half agreeing, half disagreeing...and all configurations in between.
They describe the gamut of probabilities and possibilities...the truth can never be a straight line through all these...as you so succinctly put it... (they are fallible, in thier own way)...
But, for me, this does not translate as, totally wrong.
When you "mix" the math, that statement is true and what I mean by mix, is when you mix Negative Math and Positive Math, the answers are all over the graph, including all 4 sides of the graph. But what if the math is purely Positive? Would that kNot create a straight line? What if your conceptual & perceptual portions of Reality are illusions, thus, you are seeing Negative Math where it doesn't exist, thus, you are creating that wavy line that goes all over the graph
Once you can see a straight line with Everything, that's when you will know the Truth.
Ribbit
Originally posted by akushla99
Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Originally posted by akushla99
Necessity is driven by need. If there is no 'need' to prove, one way or the other...it is a moot discussion...which is where these discussions end up...half agreeing, half disagreeing...and all configurations in between.
They describe the gamut of probabilities and possibilities...the truth can never be a straight line through all these...as you so succinctly put it... (they are fallible, in thier own way)...
But, for me, this does not translate as, totally wrong.
When you "mix" the math, that statement is true and what I mean by mix, is when you mix Negative Math and Positive Math, the answers are all over the graph, including all 4 sides of the graph. But what if the math is purely Positive? Would that kNot create a straight line? What if your conceptual & perceptual portions of Reality are illusions, thus, you are seeing Negative Math where it doesn't exist, thus, you are creating that wavy line that goes all over the graph
Once you can see a straight line with Everything, that's when you will know the Truth.
Ribbit
Oh ButtUglyToad...we were having a fine conversation and all, until you threw in the...'that's when I'll know the truth' ...i'll spell this is as clearly as I can...
You and I seem to be in possession of something which we both are assuming as 'The Truth'.
I'll bet (as I've mentioned in passing before) that we are agreeing more than we are disagreeing.
There really is no need to resort to the strategy of feigned superiority in matters that we are discussing. I have 40 odd years of dedicated 'journey', and a life which mirrors exactly what I say...i will also not go anywhere near describing the many personal and 'unshared' experiences I continue to have on a daily basis, perhaps as a result of NDE's.
The truth is far stranger than fiction, yet is (as you say) fairly straight forward...it is supposed intellect, that gets in the way...intellectualising that which cannot be intellectualised...so, mathematics, straight lines, graphs, et al, are moot descriptions of what is happening.
Keep safe,
Don't get fooled at the wrong moment.
Akushla
Originally posted by vjr1113
who says energy can never die? a battery can die, when your body stops functioning, there is no more energy being produced for your cells.
if everything is energy in our reality, then why even make the statement?
Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Originally posted by akushla99
Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Originally posted by akushla99
Necessity is driven by need. If there is no 'need' to prove, one way or the other...it is a moot discussion...which is where these discussions end up...half agreeing, half disagreeing...and all configurations in between.
They describe the gamut of probabilities and possibilities...the truth can never be a straight line through all these...as you so succinctly put it... (they are fallible, in thier own way)...
But, for me, this does not translate as, totally wrong.
When you "mix" the math, that statement is true and what I mean by mix, is when you mix Negative Math and Positive Math, the answers are all over the graph, including all 4 sides of the graph. But what if the math is purely Positive? Would that kNot create a straight line? What if your conceptual & perceptual portions of Reality are illusions, thus, you are seeing Negative Math where it doesn't exist, thus, you are creating that wavy line that goes all over the graph
Once you can see a straight line with Everything, that's when you will know the Truth.
Ribbit
Oh ButtUglyToad...we were having a fine conversation and all, until you threw in the...'that's when I'll know the truth' ...i'll spell this is as clearly as I can...
You and I seem to be in possession of something which we both are assuming as 'The Truth'.
I'll bet (as I've mentioned in passing before) that we are agreeing more than we are disagreeing.
There really is no need to resort to the strategy of feigned superiority in matters that we are discussing. I have 40 odd years of dedicated 'journey', and a life which mirrors exactly what I say...i will also not go anywhere near describing the many personal and 'unshared' experiences I continue to have on a daily basis, perhaps as a result of NDE's.
The truth is far stranger than fiction, yet is (as you say) fairly straight forward...it is supposed intellect, that gets in the way...intellectualising that which cannot be intellectualised...so, mathematics, straight lines, graphs, et al, are moot descriptions of what is happening.
Keep safe,
Don't get fooled at the wrong moment.
Akushla
Your problem is, you don't kNow WHO the Joker is on the Tarot Cards!
The Joker is WHO controls this Matrix, the Children of God, kNot God Herself, so you have been played but you won't ever realize that until you are reconnected to the Collective Consciousness, because the more you kNow, the more you kNow wrong! I kNow very little but I'm open to all truth.
"When Wrong is the Teacher, Wrong is the Student and Two Wrongs don't make a Right." - Old Toad Proverb
NDE's cannot be trusted because the "ones" putting on the show the NDE's experience, are the "ones" behind this show you call Life. So if the same Source is behind EVERYTHING here, and you kNow just how screwed up here is, and since the same Source gave ALL of us Closed Minds, what is this all about?
There is kNOw sPoon!
There is kNOw rIght!
There is kNOw wRong!
There only IS!
Ribbit
Originally posted by Time2Think
reply to post by Tetrarch42
Non-existence does not precede life. All the raw materials needed for the creation of a human exist in the universe before being "refined" though successive stages. i.e- molecules come together to form the genetic code which is enclosed within the sperm and egg, which join and develop into a foetus, which in time matures into an infant and so on. Sure, it's possible that some of the molecules which were once part of a T. Rex femur went on to be included in a human body, but I'd hardly call this an afterlife, just energy/mass transfer.
If your mother ate a steak while she was pregnant with you and the proteins from the steak were used as raw materials by you while you were developing in the womb, would that constitute reincarnation? Because that's pretty much the argument you're using.
Who's to say that "mass energy transfer" is NOT "reincarnation?" It's the idea, not the words.
For me, energy is infinite and eternal - no matter *pun intented* how small we break something down, it's still energy... so then we're back to the real question, was there always energy, or wasn't there? This seems more like the "which came first the chicken or the egg" question.
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Its simple.
Before you were born, you were dead, and now you are alive. So when you die again, it makes perfect logic sense that you will have another opprotunity for life.
Now, that doesn't mean that there is a heaven or hell, it simply means there is definitely life after death as before this life, you were dead, or not alive (same thing), and now you're alive. Life after death.edit on 6-10-2011 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)
To put it another way using different words:
There is non-existence before and after life. The fact that non-existence preceded life implies the FACT that life can arise from non-existence. Since this is the case, then the period of non-existence after this life has the opportunity for another life arising. It's simple and it's obvious.edit on 6-10-2011 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)edit on 6-10-2011 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Tetrarch42
Originally posted by Time2Think
reply to post by Tetrarch42
Non-existence does not precede life. All the raw materials needed for the creation of a human exist in the universe before being "refined" though successive stages. i.e- molecules come together to form the genetic code which is enclosed within the sperm and egg, which join and develop into a foetus, which in time matures into an infant and so on. Sure, it's possible that some of the molecules which were once part of a T. Rex femur went on to be included in a human body, but I'd hardly call this an afterlife, just energy/mass transfer.
If your mother ate a steak while she was pregnant with you and the proteins from the steak were used as raw materials by you while you were developing in the womb, would that constitute reincarnation? Because that's pretty much the argument you're using.
Who's to say that "mass energy transfer" is NOT "reincarnation?" It's the idea, not the words.
For me, energy is infinite and eternal - no matter *pun intented* how small we break something down, it's still energy... so then we're back to the real question, was there always energy, or wasn't there? This seems more like the "which came first the chicken or the egg" question.
It's not reincarnation, reincarnation involves the transfer of some essence from one body to another.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
There are no separate souls, we are all seeing from the same place.
Afterlife is not after death. Death is a myth, there is only life.
What is life?
There is only one thing you can be sure of and that there is a knowing of experience.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by ButtUglyToad
So is life!!
Originally posted by MamaJ
reply to post by ButtUglyToad
Speaking of afterlife....I thought I saw yesterday in one of your posts a link to Tesla. I am assuming you are aware of Schumann Resonance. What are your thoughts (or anyones) on this theory of the Earth's heartbeat/breathing and when time hits zero? I am only now learning about it and what it means. Any information given is appreciated.