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Talk of Armed Revolution on ATS Inappropriate

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posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 09:07 AM
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I'm fairly confident that the government has eyes on this sight as well as most sights that allow individuals to voice there opinion. I also believe most who post threads talking of armed revolution are looked at very closely.
I myself don't think that a revolution very theraputicstarted in an open forum would go far of course but i do believe in free speech. Go ahead and speak your revolution because most are simply angry and need to do their therapy here.
The only true revolution that would work is to get everyone concerned with the direction of the government and to have those individuals vote. That would be a true revolution, the surest way to make change. Vote out corruption, vote out personal agendas. I'll put my soapbox away for now but like numerouse others here i wanted to voice my opinion. Very theraputic.




posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 09:19 AM
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I do not think so.....Do we not live in a society where everybody can say or think what he wants? It is an other thing if it is inappropriate. Well.....if somebody thinks it is inappropriate......skip the thread and forget about it.

The US (NWO) government would encourage people to speak out so they can triangilate their adresses for a later, further in debt interview about how they think to make this armed revolution a reality.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 09:24 AM
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The current leftist gang in power appears to be purposely building a right wing bonfire. The leftist policies being pushed plus policies that appear to be political suicide(trying terrorists in NYC) are really frightening. If one assumes that their ideology and arrogance have not made them stupid then thay appear to be purposely agitating the right. In addition they do not appear to be concerned about staying in power after the 2010 elections. Therefore it appears that either they plan to control the election or don't expect to have one. With the bonfire they've been building, they may be intending to spark the violence, to eliminate the opposition.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 09:29 AM
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Talk of Armed Revolution on ATS Inappropriate


What a pant load.

This is coming from a moderator wannabe? Who the "hell" are you to say what is appropriate or not?

Let's see what the Declaration of Independence says about this topic




That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles ...


Alter OR abolish. Do you really think that the rat bastards in power will allow this? They won't allow it until they are hanging from ropes by the neck.

I say hang 'em high. Their time is coming.


[edit on 3/1/10 by PSUSA]



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 09:36 AM
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Good thread!

I'm in the UK and i have seen these posts about Obama... i wonder why anyone would want assassinate him when he has only taken over from the Bush administration for a year!! If anyone were to be assassinated i would hazard a guess to say it would be Bush not Obama.... Obama is trying to clear up the mess as far as i can see so give the man a chance to do that...

S+F



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 09:37 AM
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Or lets stopping acting like children and read the T&C's you signed up to.

After all, you said to the owners you'd behave under the rules established on this forum. Your forgetting the founder of ATS, SimonGray - our beloved creator - is English.

[edit on 3-1-2010 by infinite]



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 09:37 AM
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Many good men and women have given their lives to protect the system that we have.


This argument isnt very logical.

Many good men and women gave their lives to keep the system England had set up here also.

Many gave their lives to keep the system of Nazi Germany.

Many gave their lives in...

Etc ad nauseum.

This is no longer a nation of laws. It is a nation of the monied.

Section 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

You want to talk laws you should actually know what the supreme law says.


[edit on 3-1-2010 by watcher73]



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 09:43 AM
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Deposing or even disposing of the current leaders of this nation is not waging war against the United States, or giving aid to the enemy. In fact since nearly all of its leaders continue to violate the SUPREMACY CLAUSE of the constitution I find that those here not in favor of said deposing/disposing are the ones giving aid to the enemy.

Go ahead traitors, make your case.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 09:50 AM
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I asked a youtube "guerilla" this and said to him

"I keep hearing about resistance groups in the USA if you are threatening to attack the government then why not do it? you claim to have the men,the power and the weapons.. these are just empty threats i wish to ask WHEN will you strike? because i saw a video saying if Obama doesnt resign by October 2009 the war will begin and it came and passed with silence..to me you are just internet "rebels" you need to back your words with action"

then i got a reply from three people saying

" It will soon we will strike keep an eye R.A.F.N.A" -Unknown (account banned)

"Soon my friend, soon. Watch out for R.A.F.N.A." -Forestdweller80

"R.A.F.N.A is the vanguard..soon it shall begin" - Account deleted

who the hell is R.A.F.N.A?
I'm British so i have no clue what's going on over there maybe people who believe this stuff can explain it?

[edit on 17/05/09 by Raider of Truth]



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 09:53 AM
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Good post - I'm not sure I agree with the concept to censor. And the talk of overthrowing a government is an actual conversation - throwing around insults is not and adds nothing to the discourse. Of course anyone who posts a seditious or violent fantasy with regards to the president or government risks being caught and questioned. ATS members should know better than to believe they are posting anonymously...

But here's the deal. An assassination of the president as some members here dream about, would only create martyrdom. Do you really think you will change anything by this? People will worship the president forever after and his likeness will grace the walls of millions of devoted followers who will dedicate their lives to his memory. Just look to JFK. Nothing will change in fact it would probably make our lives worse.

The best thing we can do to change our society is to pull out of the "grid" as much as possible. Utilize renewable energy for your home (solar, wind if possible) walk and ride a bike as much as possible, grow more of your own food,pull your money out of large commercial banks and stop buying tons of stuff you don't really need and especially - stop reelecting the same people over and over to public office. Vote for the new person, the third party or run for office yourself. Educate yourself. Most importantly, enjoy life! Stop thinking the world is all going to end tomorrow. Look around and be happy with what you have. Life is too short not to live to the fullest!



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 09:55 AM
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Inappropriate? I think not...

Revolution, armed or otherwise, is the right of all men seeking redress to wrongs done them.

I'm no fan of the idea of an armed revolt, far too many good people on both sides would end up dead, or wishing they were... I am, however, a firm...nay, make that fanatical, believer in the power of the ballot box as a tool of revolt. It's been done many, many times.

The changes that came about during and after the civil rights movement were the direct result of a revolution. Armed with nothing but the truth that all men are created equal. The Philippines tossed out Marcos with nothing but the ballot box, and courage...

Revolution is most certainly an appropriate topic for ATS, and for any where else, too.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 10:09 AM
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The problem with a ballot revolution is that the ballots we would vote with would never be counted.
Everyone agrees that the last three elections were corrupt... both political sides had their accusations to make. We can also know that the options we are given to vote for are of the same breed, and only differ as much as is necessary to maintain the illusion of their difference.

The founding fathers and infact the very constitution demands revolution, armed or not.

Any calls to wither from that mandate are the naive ramblings of the supremely gullible.

Gooood pet...



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 10:09 AM
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Talk of armed revolution on ATS is not inappropriate, in my opinion. Using ATS as a platform to recruit for an armed revolution (or recruit for any cause whatsoever) is a T&C violation.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 10:14 AM
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I agree with the OP.

This has been a rough 18-24 months for a lot of people worldwide, not just in the United States. When people are desperate due to job loss or other personal circumstances they feel a need to lash out. And in many cases it is the United States. Whenever I glance at posts that the OP suggest, they are typically from new posters that through their writing seem as if english is not their first language or the tone is of a person that is pretty young.

If you look at the Nigerian man that was arrested in Detroit for trying to blow up a plane, he was young and had extremist views. I think this is what we are seeing here.

As previously posted, people that do this only get traction when they are followed.

I take these with a grain of salt and move on as there is no positive ouitcome from getting worked up over it.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 10:14 AM
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So what, if anything, do you plan on doing about it? Were they corrupt? All of 'em, nationwide? Somehow I doubt it... Were there problems? Without a doubt.

So I ask again, what do we, meaning you, meaning me, meaning everyone; do about it?



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 10:22 AM
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I think it’s important to understand that rebelling against something is not necessarily being for specifically something better.

Let’s pretend this revolution took place last night, today the halls of Washington are empty of the politicians and full of the people.

What are the people now going to do to change and improve things?

There is much to be critical of and for good reason but who amongst us has a way forward beyond out with the old?

Who has a plan or idea that the majority of the people can agree on as to what then needs to be implemented to restore the nation to prosperity, jobs for the people, and a way to provide the resources, commodities and necessities to make big city life possible in large urban settings.

Who here knows how to make our communication grids work, our distribution networks work, and who here knows how to make the trains run on time and how?

Revolution itself is not necessarily the key to something better. It can be. Provided there is that cadre of respected well received people who can think logistically and sensibly devoid of just the emotion and hubris that lead one to rebel.

Ultimately as things stand now if a revolution were to happen today, at the end of the day, the new crop of politicians would end up having to get right into bed with the same old corporate masters to make the machinery of the nation work.

Where would the net effect be?

I think if Obama is proving one thing as a would be savior of the people it is that claiming you want to provide a change, and saying you have vague notions and ideas of how to effect a change, does not necessarily equate in fact rarely equates to someone having the acumen and experience and know how to actually make those changes and get those trains to run on time.

In many ways a revolution has recently occurred as it was a huge ground swell of popular discontent that swept Obama a little known and little accomplished regional politician just recent to the national stage into office.

What has that accomplished?

We need change not pseudo change and simply stating what you are against, is not the same as displaying what you are for can work for a diverse society of hundreds of millions of people who the vast majority will have to be in agreement that it is a better way forward.

What’s the way forward?



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 10:24 AM
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At this point?
Allow the talk.
Reinforce the notion that the government we have is not the only possible solution.
Allow the understanding that throughout history it has been the governments falling... not the people.

If armed conflict with our government arises it will not be born from this site. It will come from a trigger event... The kind? Dunno yet... Maybe one too many ten year olds tasered... who knows.

[edit on 3-1-2010 by RelentlessDespot]



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by yeahright
Talk of armed revolution on ATS is not inappropriate, in my opinion. Using ATS as a platform to recruit for an armed revolution (or recruit for any cause whatsoever) is a T&C violation.



What about an orchestrated Wedgie attack on Washington?

Towell snapping?

Nuggies?

Cooties alerts?



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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Sorry, I don't agree. The time is NOW! I'm going to strap up and head to Washington. So let's..............Oh crap! I forgot, it's Sunday and football is on all day. Gotta go get some beer.



yak055h



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 10:46 AM
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I am less concerned about the fact that people are openly calling for armed revolution and more by the fact that people actually believe we are living under a tyrannical government.

To say that this current American government is tyrannical is an insult to all people, past and present, who have lived or are living under a truly tyrannical system. Its insulting to the folks who were persecuted by the true Nazi regime of the 1930s and '40s. Its an insult to the folks who suffered unbelievably under the totalitarian socialist government of Joseph Stalin. Its an insult to the hundreds of Vietnamese who were sent to re-education camps by Ho Chi Minh's communist regime, the millions that died during Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward, the thousands butchered by Saddam Hussein, and the people of Iran who are murdered in the streets of Tehran by the devils of the Islamic theocracy.

America is an Orwellian society? You want Orwellian? While we're at it, you want socialism? Go to North Korea and you will see all your Orwellian fantasies come true. Complete media censorship, strict rationing, free (but poor quality) healthcare. Charismatic leadership. Oodles of propaganda. Are any of you so spoiled rotten to actually believe that anything not precisely measuring up to your fantastic vision of America equates this country to the absolute Hell-on-Earths such as Iran and North Korea?

WHAT IS YOUR MALFUNCTION???


Never thought I would say this, but this is America. Love it or leave it.



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