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posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 12:45 PM
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reply to post by infinite
 


I agree, but only to a point. Which is undoubtably where we'll part ways. Peaceful is the best of revolutions, but there reaches a point where all the peaceful intent must be followed by the sword and the gun.

But as I've said, both here and elsewhere, it's a last resort. Violence will solve the problem, but it'll create a whole host of others.

Our options are, as I see it, as follows.

We can meekly acquiesce to the people in power, and continue on this downward spiral, hoping for the best, but unlikely to get it. Or...

We vote the rascals out, and keep doing it, 'til the new ones get it, and acquiesce to our will, as it's supposed to be. Or...

Failing in teaching the rascals, there is the option of civil disobedience and massed, yet peaceful, protest. Tens of thousands of voices will be heard and, perhaps, listened to. Or...

We've been ignored... Perhaps a crack down on dissent is in the works, or has already started... Armed revolution is an option that must be explored. With all the issues and problems that this will entail. 'cause once started, you can not stop, can not give in, can not rest, until the target(s) have been achieved. Failure is not in the books if you intend to revolt with force... Quite literally, it's success or death...nothing else.

So before you so merrily endorse the idea of armed revolt against the govt., realize this... Death will be visited upon you, your friends, your family, the neighbor down the street you can't stand...as well as the "enemy"... Many of the "enemy" are going to be your friends, your family, that neighbor down the street you can't stand.

Realize that deep down where it matters, folks... 'cause once begun, there's no stepping back.

[edit on 1/3/2010 by seagull]




posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:20 PM
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I should remind everyone that only 3% of the US population fought in the war for our independence and only 3% more supported them in that effort. The rest stood on the sidelines and reaped the benefits gained by such a move.

Thomas Jefferson and the other founding fathers knew that we might have to take back our government if it was ever hijacked by foreign interests or parties.

We live in a time where that has just occurred, mind you over the last 100 years. We have lost the republic because most americans are uneducated about the formation and reasoning for having a republic in the 1st place. If it weren't for the 2nd Amendment, we would not have any way to fight back, ergo the British Throne and the way it ruled its kingdom.

At least, if we can't change the politics by our vote, we can by our guns if it comes down to it and anyone who doesn't believe the Republic is more important than slavery in or under a democracy or socialist government regime, should be put on notice that those who restore the republic won't allow you to stay here to screw it all up again.

The times, they are a changin !



[edit on 1/3/2010 by Evisscerator]



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:29 PM
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This whole argument is pointless. There won't be an armed revolt in the United States. The revolution has already happened, and it happened under our own very noses. Our government has been invaded, taken over by corporate interests, the Constitution weakened by legislation, and our income stolen yearly.

It's all about returning the government to Constitutional control. The Constitution does not grant you any rights. The Constitution grants government rights, and limits it's actions. You do not have a Constitutionally granted right to free speech, the government has a Constitutional mandate to not limit free speech. The Constitution does not grant you the right to bear arms, it limits the government from taking your arms away. Don't believe the propaganda otherwise because it just takes away from the fact that it talks to the government, not the people.

Every time a politician votes for legislation that violates the Constitution, they commit treason. Every time a lobbyist courts a politician to vote for legislation that violates the Constitution they commit sedition.

Get it straight people, the enemy isn't at our gates, it's in our palace, it controls the guards, and it dictates what you think through the media.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:29 PM
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should be put on notice that those who restore the republic won't allow you to stay here to screw it all up again.


Agreed. Get it done once and for all, instead of letting things slide all over again. But the others, those that love what's happening and wouldnt change it for all the tea in China, will call that being closed minded, etc.

It amazes me how many here just go along with what's happening. They'll make such peaceful slaves for some lucky master.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:34 PM
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You might be surprised. Doesn't take much of a spark to start a fire... ...and our beloved leaders have been providing plenty of sparks...

Keep on talking. Keep on informing people. Yeah, it may take a while...hell, it may not happen at all... Certainly it won't if we give up.

As the old saying goes... "keep on keepin' on".



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:34 PM
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I keep reading these posts saying that revolution is necessary in this country. But I have yet to see anyone prove that a revolution is indeed necessary!

In all seriousness, what is so deathly and tragically wrong about this country that we need a revolution, armed or peaceful? Are there problems in this country? Absolutely. Do we need to make changes to the way we do things and live? Absolutely. But what necessitates a revolution? The way I see it, the problems we have in this country are nothing extraordinary. Its our own arrogance and our spoiled-rotten nature that causes us to believe that.

Like I said, this is America and it is still the most prosperous, powerful and free country in the world. Love it or leave it.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:39 PM
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.
– John F. Kennedy-



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:39 PM
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This is just your own opinion you seem to have no idea of whats going on around you based upon everyone's rights being taken everyday from us. Peace is always the best way, but when facing tyranny regaining freedom will always have a price to pay to regain. We have already let the Constitution be tread upon the people are waking, and its pre-programed in us to be free and uphold our freedom whether you like it or not.

The US is falling apart more everyday under a corrupt government, the rich elite who control and demolish our economy so they and their families can get richer. They don't care about you they only care about themselves and controlling you. The NWO is knocking at the door they are closer than they ever have been and if we let them cross that line we will be doomed.

Whether it be a revolution, corrupt leaders selling our country out, or just a collapse of society whatever it is, its not far down the road the signs are all around you. The corruption is buried so deep in the government chain electing them all out of position will never happen before the US implodes due to where our government is taking us.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:48 PM
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I'm not making an example of you, but some are guilty of taking the topics on this forum too seriously.

Some posters have dangerous levels of paranoia and literally believe everything in this world is a conspiracy. The 9/11 section of this site is a perfect example, disagree with a theory and you are working "for them."

Calling for armed revolution is inappropriate because most who call for it do not understand the potential consequences. Timothy McVeigh believed the federal government was out to destroy America - the building he targeted also housed innocent children. Is that armed revolution? No, it is terrorism.

Certain members fail, or deliberately, recognise innocent victims in this grand plan. Which is what I disagree with them.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:49 PM
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Seagull, as a moderator who is active in this thread, I'd like to hear your input on my post here.

Thank you.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 02:18 PM
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We do give a crap about the Constitution. We need to do something to restore our country as a self-government, government by the people. Our government has been stolen from us. An armed revolution would not be wise because the people who stole our government from us don't mind killing us and we are outgunned. We need a peaceful revolution, but a strong revolution. We need every man woman and child out there that we can get to demand that our government return to a Constitutional Republic in which the legislators are not bought and paid for by special interests, especially special interests that love to talk about depopulation in our future.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 02:22 PM
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Good. Now we have some common ground.



disagree with a theory and you are working "for them."


LOL! That is true. Not that I don't believe there was a conspiracy involving elements of the government, but some of their theories(!) are downright nuts, like holograms etc,. They think they have all the answers and no one has all the answers. We probably never will. Not in this life.

I face the exact same thing when I talk/write about Alex Jones... I'ts surreal to be called an "agent" for proving Jones wrong on a specific subject.



Calling for armed revolution is inappropriate because most who call for it do not understand the potential consequences.


You're right, some people seem to treat it like it's a game.

But there is a world of difference between calling for armed revolution, and saying that it's inevitable and best prepared for, and probably the only way to get these criminal parasites out of power once and for all. But you're right, no one understands the potential consequences. If it happens, I don't expect to live through it.

Those who call for violent revolution now are suspect. I bet they have never even seen a dead body outside a casket. Or they are working for the feds.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 02:36 PM
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You do not present logical reasons.


False, I've done so on many occasions.


You immeadiately resort to an us vs them mentality


When it comes to this topic it is an us vs them situation. Fools speak of armed revolution while those of sound intelligence dismiss such lunacy.


and get pissed off at us and mispell simple words


Now I'll provide two examples proving you're a bit too "slow" for my tastes:

1. I'm not "pissed" and there was nothing I typed that can be implied as anger or frustration.

2. You are the pot calling the kettle black. You focus on a mispelled word in hopes of establishing some type of merit yet you failed to see your post has a mispelled word. Before you attempt to correct others, I suggest you "immeadiately" (your word not mine) take the red pen to your own thoughts and words.


and claim to be of higher intelligence and logic.


I am of higher intelligence and logic, and it comes from being a critical thinker and not believing everything that tickles the ear.


You don't even argue the merits of well thought out arguments, you avoid critical thinking if it is required on your part.


Not true as I've addressed the topic at hand in several other threads. The facts are, people advocating armed revolutions are highly misguided, (delusional) and doing more harm than good. If you want to read my arguments you are free to use the search engine and dig up a plethora of posts. If not, you can reply back and be another notch on my belt, or you can stick around here as I'm sure I'll run into someone who took a page from your book and stuck their foot in their mouth.

EMPIRE



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by PSUSA




Calling for armed revolution is inappropriate because most who call for it do not understand the potential consequences.


You're right, some people seem to treat it like it's a game.


Those are the people that scare me. It's a very last resort thing. I wouldn't even consider it a real option until they overtly violate the Constitution such as arms seizure.



But there is a world of difference between calling for armed revolution, and saying that it's inevitable and best prepared for, and probably the only way to get these criminal parasites out of power once and for all. But you're right, no one understands the potential consequences. If it happens, I don't expect to live through it.

Those who call for violent revolution now are suspect. I bet they have never even seen a dead body outside a casket. Or they are working for the feds.


Many of them have never seen war, fired a weapon at another human being, seen a dead body outside of a funeral, etc... No matter how many guns they have, how many BDU outfits, how many times they've seen Full Metal Jacket, etc... They simply do not know a darn thing. I just love how they like to jack around in BDU's. If it ever comes down to it being a shooting match, I'd much rather not be wearing BDU's for the simple fact that both sides would be wearing camo, and that makes it real hard to determine who is the enemy, and who is the friend.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 02:53 PM
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Here's a response i posted on another thread. i think it sums up one of the biggest flaws in the "revoltionary' argument.

you, OldDragger, and a few other clowns in here ignore the relevent points and target only the radical extremist points.

As if your whole premise isn't some pie in the sky radical extremist
pipe dream? The radical nutcases ARE the relevant part> These people are your revolution, your fellow patriots. To turn them loose, armed, is inviting death and disaster.
You go on to say things are just the same now as in 1776?
Here's one glaring flaw.
You have no Jefferson.
no Franklin.
no Adams.
No washington
These men, and the rest of the founders were exceptional people, the most enlightened and educated of their time. the pillars of the community as it were.
You have nothing comparable. No intellect, no leadership, you don't even have a unifying philosophy. just a bunch of mostly right wing, religion obssesed, uneducated paranoid and pissed off people that can't even articulate what they want in a rational way. what a winning combination.
You seem so upset that people just don't support you, that's very revealing. Produce a Jefferson or Adams instead of armchair internet "patriots' and maybe, just maybe people with a brain might take you seriously.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 03:03 PM
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You have nothing comparable. No intellect, no leadership, you don't even have a unifying philosophy. just a bunch of mostly right wing, religion obssesed, uneducated paranoid and pissed off people that can't even articulate what they want in a rational way. what a winning combination.


In another thread I spoke of the exact same things, but sadly too many people don't get it. Again, all this revolution talk is for those suffering from severe social incompetence.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by SpacePunk
Those are the people that scare me. It's a very last resort thing. I wouldn't even consider it a real option until they overtly violate the Constitution such as arms seizure.


Exactly. You have to question those who call for such action immediately and on such a consistent level. It is scary and rather dangerous.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 03:07 PM
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I don't see it as recruiting, nor does Yeahright earlier in this thread...that's my simple answer to you, BH.

Given the political climate in the United States currently, anger and frustration running rampant, and not from one side only. Left and right are as angry, though for differing reasons, as I've ever seen them. This is a topic that needs, unfortunately, to be discussed.

As I've stated, at least once, an armed rebellion is a option of last resort. After all else has failed numerous times...

I hope this answered your question? If not, we can take it to u2u so as not to derail this thread too much.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by seagull
I don't see it as recruiting, nor does Yeahright earlier in this thread...that's my simple answer to you, BH.


Oh agreed. If you want to see recruiting, the New World Order section gets its fair share of calls for resistance cells and plans to attack NWO targets...

90% of the armed revolution or rebellion threads do not involve recruiting, most are pseudo-call to arms.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 03:19 PM
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There's a lot of truth to your post. A successful rebellion, for whatever reason, needs the intellectual giants like Jefferson, Madison, Adams, and Franklin. Men, and women, like Corazon Aquino, with the courage of their convictions.

All too many of the "leaders" of anti-govt. movements are nuts (not to put it too politely), who can't put together a coherent sentence, much less run a successful rebellion...

Or were you quoting someone else?



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