Two gay men kicked out of Chico's Tacos restaurant for kissing

Originally posted by DaisyAnne

Originally posted by jprophet420
reply to post by DimensionalDetective

 

Heres the caveat:
Only about 10% of people are gay. You can have all the gay rights you want but 90% of us don't want to see it, and never will.

Balance will find itself.

Great, and here's the solution for that.
Look away.
See, that wasn't hard, was it?

No, that doesn't belong in America, sorry. You can tell me not to listen to Howard Stern if I don't like him, but you cant tell me to 'ignore' something in public. Last time I checked you could get kicked out of a public place for heterosexual kissing also.

reply to post by DASFEX

...and if you google gay serial killers...

OK! I did. THIS was near the top of the page (and I have not vetted it for authenticity, nor for whether its author has any particular agendas):


www.adherents.com...

Serial killers are nearly always men (93%). Furthermore, of the relatively few female serial killers, one third of them worked in partnership with males.

In the United States, serial killers are predominantly white. This makes sense statistically, because about 80% of the population is white. According to some sources, whites are over-represented and African-Americans are under-represented among serial killers, but this depends on how one defines a "serial killer." The more celebrated, headline-grabbing serial killers are generally white, but if one counts all perpetrators of multiple homicides, including drug- and gang-related killings, then African-Americans account for between 20% to 30% of all multiple perpetrators, according to statistics compiled by the FBI. African-Americans comprise about 13% of the total U.S. population. Asians, who comprise probably under-represented among American serial-killers. Asian serial-killers are extremely rare in the United States, but Asians comprise only about 4% of the U.S. population so, statistically speaking, one would expect few Asian serial killers. There have been some high-profile Filipino serial killing and murder cases. Filipinos comprise a relatively newer and less affluent immigrant population relative to other major Asian groups in the United States.

Although the proportion of serial killers who are known to have had homosexual experience is high (over 43%), the total number of serial killers is too small to make statistically relevant statements about whether homosexuals are over- or under-represented among serial killers.

Also, it should be noted that many of the homosexual serial killers on this list were not active members of the Gay & Lesbian cultural community.

Many of the most famous serial killers (e.g., Jeffrey Dahmer, Andrew Cunanan, John Wayne Gacy, etc.) were homosexuals, but they became widely known due to the nature of their crimes or the identities of their victims, not because they in any way represent serial killers generally.

The author, above, mentioned Andrew Cunanan and lumped in as a "serial killer", which I find to be a bit of a stretch.

en.wikipedia.org...

Andrew Phillip Cunanan (August 31, 1969 – July 23, 1997) was an American spree killer who murdered five people, including fashion designer Gianni Versace, during a three-month period in 1997...

It would seem that Mr. Cunanan was a very bad man, who used his looks to con lonely Gay men out of money, and murdered to cover his tracks. But, of course, NO HETEREOSEXUAL man (or woman) has ever done that, right???

SO....this has been a very educational trip down into the psyches of certain individuals, and the kind of hate-filled bigotry that they can develop due to misrepresentations of unrelated occurences....and all started from an innocent kiss on the lips, after midnight, in a crappy 'Mexican Food' restaurant in El Paso, TX.

ONLY in America!!!



[edit on 11 July 2009 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by DASFEX
mmm sorry about that intrepid, try this www.empowher.com...

Not even close to your original argument:

Since Gays got so much political clout in Boston Mass, we have seen 4 years olds getting trans gender reasignment surgery approved by their gay parents. Now that is just nuts but it was all over the news.

Boston’s Children’s Hospital bills itself as the hospital for children — and now it’s also the hospital for children who want a sex change, a procedure some critics are calling “barbaric.”

Dr. Norman Spack, a pediatric specialist at the hospital, has launched a clinic for transgendered kids — boys who feel like girls, girls who want to be boys — and he’s opening his doors to patients as young as 7.

Spack offers his younger patients counseling and drugs that delay the onset of puberty. The drugs stop the natural flood of hormones that would make it difficult to have a sex alteration later in life, allowing patients more time to decide whether they want to make the change.

Where is the mention of "gay parents"? Where does it say that he performs surgery on 4 year olds? Where does it say that he performs surgery on children at all?

You're just going to get ticked off if i show you this stuff , I can post recordings of classes in the schools there where they teach this stuff and all the legislation they have coming up the hill teaching homosexual sex but it isn't about tolerance, if you want to hear it , you'll see its teaching ideas about having sex to kids in school.

Soory about the four year olds I guess it was much older than that. Aftera all 7 year olds are much easier to understand getting this kind of surgery.

Originally posted by DASFEX
You're just going to get ticked off if i show you this stuff , I can post recordings of classes in the schools there where they teach this stuff and all the legislation they have coming up the hill teaching homosexual sex but it isn't about tolerance, if you want to hear it , you'll see its teaching ideas about having sex to kids in school.

Will this be another Googlefest that still doesn't prove your point?

Soory about the four year olds I guess it was much older than that. Aftera all 7 year olds are much easier to understand getting this kind of surgery.

If you had read YOUR OWN SOURCE you would have seen that the doctor offers counseling and drugs to put puberty off so they can make the decision LATER in life.

Originally posted by weedwhacker

Many of the most famous serial killers (e.g., Jeffrey Dahmer, Andrew Cunanan, John Wayne Gacy, etc.) were homosexuals, but they became widely known due to the nature of their crimes or the identities of their victims, not because they in any way represent serial killers generally.

Yes we certainly wouldn't want to besmirch that fine reputation mixing one group of scum with the next LOL..

No i get what you're trying to say weed, it just struck me as funny

Originally posted by TrentReznor

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Your ignorant comments are bordering on anti-social and have no place in a civil society,

So you would quite happily get up and piss all over the floor whilst everyone is eating there dinner? as most ppl in there would find that sick....but oh, who cares what other ppl think they can go F themselves?

and NO! I wouldent let my son have to view that,

yeah kids ask questions,

would you do something if you and your son were sat next to two men constantly saying the F word? I shure would, or would you just sit there like a cabbage?
Most ppl wouldent care seeing a man and woman kissing in that situation

but most would be extreamly uncomfortable with two men..or two women.

BE CIVIL!
Saying who gives a f what other ppl think is just stupid,

Respect others.

I tell you WHO would give a f what ppl think,
Everybody appart from you in that resteraunt .

Me anti-social? That's a first for me. I get along pretty well in "civil socieity", and I mind peoples business enough to let them go on about it. I hated going to resturants with my mom because she felt it was necessary to make fun of everyone in there and point out everyone there that she thought looked funny. I find that to be rude personally, and something tells me you are probably one of those people that does something like that. Typically, I prefer the restroom urinal for pissing because it's a lot less messier and even I'm not rude enough to do that. Plus that's also call indescent exposure and could land me in jail.

There are lines to be crossed obviously, and I think any intelligent poster here can see what lines shouldn't be crossed. But now you're just being stupid, which judging by your posts thus far, seems pretty evident to me that stupidity is a reflection of who you are. What does someone pissing on the floor in a public have to do with two people of the same gender kissing? That's not even the same topic, that's an entire thread on it's own. Learn to start using better examples instead of resorting to childish crap like this.

So you're saying you wouldn't let your kids be in the company of men kissing even if it was just a small kiss? That's displaying even more stupidity, because you're putting your biased beliefs onto them. If they were having sex or blowing each other right there, then yes, obviously that's crossing the line. As for the question of cuss words, yes, I would. I would explain to them what those words mean and show an example of how uncivil they were being.

Growing up, everyone grew up to swearing being part of the regular english language, but the kids wouldn't dare use that around their parents at such a young age...or else. Also, you are failing to get my point on people minding their own business, you say yourself that most people wouldn't mind seeing man and woman in that situation, but they decide they want to mind when people of the same sex are doing the same thing. People are minding their own business with the man and woman, but they aren't with the gay/lesbian couple. It's not hard to figure out. If people minded their own business, then it wouldn't be a problem.

Who's saying anything about not being civil and not respecting others? You are the one using extreme examples that aren't even part of this discussion, so how about keeping on topic? I stand by what I say, what people think doesn't matter. People who do are stupid and superficial. But then again most people are always about what the Jones' are up to and have so I guess that goes to show that people like me are indeed in the minority. What matters in my life, matters only to me, no one else. Trust me, it feels really good, you should try it. finally, I'm going to use another example.

You feel that gays/lesbians should respect the majority and keep their affection to themselves and bechind closed doors so that the majority can feel happy and pretend like the whole world is so peachy and perfect. But what about people who are sickened by interracial relationships? Even in this day in age, many people still have the old world believe that the races shouldn't mix and are offended when they see a mixed raced couple holding hands or are kissing each other in public. Should a interracial couple respect those people and sit a comfortable distance from each other just to appease the idiots that are offended by them?


edited to remove quote

[edit on 11-7-2009 by Darth Lumina]

My question still remains. If these guys were turfed out because they kissed, why were the other 3, who didn't show affection, thrown out as well?

reply to post by DASFEX

That is incorrect, their ARE substantially more heterosexual men so it stands to reason why their numbers are higher, but if you care to use percentages and most infamous crimes of this type of sex, then Ill throw some at you that pedophile priests are Gay males using the Church to enable their access to children using their authority to manipulate them into having sex. The church was so saturated with them they covered for each other as we all know.

psychology.ucdavis.edu...

Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).

Really the point is not what proportion of heterosexual or homosexual men abuse children....in this thread where ignorant statements are made about gay people automatically accused of all child abuse, the point is that heterosexuals abuse children. Gay women hardly ever, and much fewer gay men. It is a mainly heterosexual crime. So let's stop with the ridiculous accusations and misinformation about what is normal or not. Many men would do well to learn to control themselves and stop trying to control everyone else.

reply to post by DASFEX


DASFEX, would you be a dear and edit the post this is referencing to correct the BB code tags? Thank you, because as it stands it would appear that those words were written by ME, when they were not.

Thank you kindly.

Originally posted by John Matrix
If I was a woman I would feel deeply offended by men who prefer sex with men over a women.

I had no idea gay men could prefer sex with a man over a woman.

Poor woman. I'm sure she'd find that most uncomfortable.

Ummmm Yes! you Darth Lumina!

you said you don't give a f what ppl think. if you yourself were doing somthing that the majority of others in public would find sickening then they can go f themselves, that was your attitude.

so my examples no matter how extream still hold.

I'm not saying its wrong for gay couples to kiss or want to kiss when they want, but they should have a little respect for the 90% of the ppl that dont want to see that when they go to enjoy a meal.

I can TOTALLY understand the point of view from the owner as he has a buisness to run. if he dosent want gay ppl in his place kissing, he has the right to kick'em out! esp if it could offend the majority of his customers/livleyhood.


and thats BS about it was just a peck on the cheek, nobody would have noticed that, they were snogging, and the only person who said otherwise was one of the group.

Got every right to kicke'em out. Job well done.

Originally posted by TrentReznor
and thats BS about it was just a peck on the cheek, nobody would have noticed that, they were snogging, and the only person who said otherwise was one of the group.

And where did you pull this one out of? A hat? I reread the sourced material and there was nothing there to indicate this. Seems like fiction is passing for fact on ATS lately.

Originally posted by jprophet420

Originally posted by DaisyAnne

Originally posted by jprophet420
reply to post by DimensionalDetective

 

Heres the caveat:
Only about 10% of people are gay. You can have all the gay rights you want but 90% of us don't want to see it, and never will.

Balance will find itself.

Great, and here's the solution for that.
Look away.
See, that wasn't hard, was it?

No, that doesn't belong in America, sorry. You can tell me not to listen to Howard Stern if I don't like him, but you cant tell me to 'ignore' something in public. Last time I checked you could get kicked out of a public place for heterosexual kissing also.

But your objection was to the homosexual kissing, wasn't it? I assume that is why you pointed it out as being 10% of the population that you don't want to look at. That was the gist of your post, quoted above.

So really, it's only the gay kissing that you object to. Which makes it a prejudice. Nothing more righteous than that.

At which point I say, look away if your prejudice leads you to find it unpleasant. Don't inflict it on the rights of other human beings.

Originally posted by TrentReznor
Ummmm Yes! you Darth Lumina!

you said you don't give a f what ppl think. if you yourself were doing somthing that the majority of others in public would find sickening then they can go f themselves, that was your attitude.

so my examples no matter how extream still hold.

I'm not saying its wrong for gay couples to kiss or want to kiss when they want, but they should have a little respect for the 90% of the ppl that dont want to see that when they go to enjoy a meal.

I can TOTALLY understand the point of view from the owner as he has a buisness to run. if he dosent want gay ppl in his place kissing, he has the right to kick'em out! esp if it could offend the majority of his customers/livleyhood.


and thats BS about it was just a peck on the cheek, nobody would have noticed that, they were snogging, and the only person who said otherwise was one of the group.

Got every right to kicke'em out. Job well done.

Umm Ok? So how does my attitude make me anti social? I socialize with lots of people and I don't live in some basement posting on the internet all day, so I don't see where you're getting the anti social thing from. Yes I hold to that attitude that I don't care what people think and if they don't like it they can go F themselves. Yes, I've made that point, you keep bringing it up as though I was trying to backpedal from it which I wasn't. However, you mention sickening. It all depends on your definition of sickening.

The off topic example you used, would be considered sickening by everyone including the person who is doing it. I also used an example of interracial couples, which many people find sickening, but I noticed you dodged that one. I would address the rest of your post, but since I have already responded to that stuff, and you have a reading comprehension problem, then I'm not going to repeat myself. Hopefully someday, you and the other haters will someday let your heads open up and see how ignorant your statements are. Deny Ignorance, yeah right.

No intrepid,

Thats just my opinion, I find it inconceivable that the owner saw just a peck on the cheek and decided to have them evicted.

you know what I mean? makes no sence.

reply to post by Darth Lumina



Tut Tut !

do some looking around, maybe its because your from the USA but over here we have somthing called an ASBO Anti-social behavour order.

and you say where am I getting this anti-social thing from then straight after in your next sentance, you exhibit anti-social views.

oh dear oh dear. your a walking contradiction.

anti-social beahavior has nothing to do with not going out and socialising with people lmao!!! thats not what I'm on about.






[edit on 11-7-2009 by TrentReznor]

Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
reply to post by AmericanDaughter

 

I never realized that there was so much prejudice on ATS. I was so sure this was a open minded forum. Wow this thread really shows the true colors of many members.

No wonder the NSA and CIA monitor it so closely. This thread makes it seem like a supremacist hate group. I guess they have good reason to be here after seeing all the "Love".

So much for deny ignorance.

More like embrace prejudice

This is just a sample of many threads where people's true colors come out. When it comes to gay topic threads, religion, and even the 9/11 threads the posters seem to be the most close minded people. I did join this site thinking it was open minded, and intelligent, but the posts of people would make you think that embrace prejudice, or deny intelliegence would be the actual motto for this site. But at least most of the posters here aren't that way. Threads like these make us all remember that prejudice, racism still exist pretty heavily in a world were we should be past that petty garbage.

Gonna knock this disscusion on the head,

Its not really my subject to be honnest,


Peace

When I first read some of the new postings on this thread this morning, I really wanted to respond in a heated manner. Luckily, I had someplace I had to be, so I didn't. Given time to cool down, I will now reply to many of you in a far more mature manner.

First point is to those who have made assumptions as to the nature of the 'kiss'. No where in the article was it refered to as a 'make out session', just a simple kiss. While I agree that making out in public is unacceptable by anyone, this does not seem to be the case in this instance. Try to remember the old saying about when you ass-U-me!

For those who objected because your children might see it, eventually they will be exposed to it, and probably when you are not around. You are also missing a golden opportunity to teach your child(ren) something very valuable. If it comes up, simply tell your child(ren), "Well, some people like girls and some people like boys, just like some people are one religion and others belong to a different religion. Some people are black and others are white or asian or latino. Some people like rock music and some people like country music. Everybody is different, just like snow flakes. No two people are exactly alike, they are all different, special and unique, just like you!" Not only have you simply explained the situation, but you have begun to instill in your child(ren) their own individuality and that they need not conform to the will of others. Perhaps they will remember this important message when their peers try to coerse them into trying drugs or when they are pressured into having sex before they are ready.

To those who object to homosexual behavior due to their religious beliefs (mainly Christians as I've seen you in the religious threads), I would remind you that Jesus gave you only two commandments:

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Mark 12; verses 29-31

I would also add:

37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven

Luke 6: 37

All words atributed to Jesus himself. If you are truly a Christian, then these words out trump any others from the Bible, as you should have a duty to follow the words spoken by Jesus himself before all others in the Bible.

To those who wish to legislate us away, remember that this country was founded on the rights and freedoms of the individual, not only that of the majority. I posted this earlier, but it bears repeating:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

The Declaration of Independence

No one in the Gay Rights Movement is asking for special rights, just equal rights. Each and every citizen should have exactly the same rights as every other citizen.

For those who have brought up marriage, although it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, you are right, marriage is not a right, nor is it a privilege. As far as the state is concerned, it is a legal contract between two consenting adults. If it were not a legal contract, it would not require a lawyer and a judge to get out of it. Every citizen should have the right to enter into a contract that is allowed to be entered into by other citizens. I have a tee-shirt that sums this up perfectly: "Don't like Gay Marriage? Don't marry one!"

For those who 'just don't like it', then don't look! There used to be this concept in this country before the advent of mass media, it was called minding your own business! Again, I state that overt sexual displays are completely inappropriate in public, regardless of sexual orientation, but simple harmless displays of affection are not in this category.

For those who like to assume (there's that word again) that all homosexuals are the 'in your face' prissy queens that are usually portrayed in the mass media, I hate to inform you that most of us are not. There are extremists in every group, but to assume (again, that word) that we are all just like the stereotype is a false assumption.

For those who think that homosexuality is a sexual deviance, or a mental disorder, those with the education in the field do not agree. I think they are far more qualified to make that determination than you are. Being gay isn't just about sex. It's about who you love and want to build a life with. In fact, I know quite a few older gay couples who have been together for decades, deeply love each other, have built a life together and rarely have sex. This is just the same as heterosexual couples, as we get older the sex drive slows down to a crawl. If it were only a sexual deviance, then they would no longer stay together. You want to make us different, but except for the choice of partners, we are the same. Maybe that's what scares you so much.

For those who wish we would just go back into the closet, I'm afraid I have some very bad news for you! NEVER GONNA HAPPEN! There is no turning back now. We're here, we're Queer, and we're not going anywhere! If you want the Gay Rights Movement to end, then there is a simple solution, just give us our equal rights! Otherwise you have two choices: Like it, or die HATING it!!!

I leave you with just one more thing to mull over:

When you were young and your heart was an open book
You used to say life and let life
(you know you did, you know you did, you know you did)
But in this ever changing world in which we live in
Makes you give in and cry
Say live and let die

Paul McCartney & Wings: Live & Let Die (Main Theme for James Bond movie of the same name)

[edit on 11-7-2009 by JaxonRoberts]

Originally posted by jprophet420
reply to post by DimensionalDetective

 

Heres the caveat:
Only about 10% of people are gay. You can have all the gay rights you want but 90% of us don't want to see it, and never will.

Balance will find itself.

Actually, it's more like 2% profess to practice same sex behavior.

There really are no "Gays". That label is a deception. The label is used to make the sleeping public believe people who practice same orgasmic behavior are a special race or special branch of humans. They are humans the same as the rest of us. Their behavior, lifestyle, and organization does not give them special status or special rights. They have the same rights as the rest of us, and that's it.

The two were not thrown out because of their sexual orientation. They were thrown out for showing disrespect for other's.

Our society has become increasingly selfish, self centered, inconsiderate, rude, arrogant, lovers of their own selves and haters of those who want to do good.