CBO says 14 mil Will Lose Coverage Next Year Under GOP Health Care Plan

a reply to: Indigo5

The CBO's estimate of the cost of a plan is way off. The post ObamaCare health insurance plans haven't even been designed. All they can do is estimate based on the hellishly high ObamaCare plan premiums.

a reply to: carewemust
Of course. WTF do those nobodies know? Not like they've ever done this kind of stuff before. I'd trust Trump's estimates over that group of losers any day. I mean Trump nailed the cost of 'The Wall', the number of people at his inauguration, and the historical position of his 'historic Electoral College win. Trump knows his numbers.

originally posted by: carewemust
With no Federal Mandate requiring Americans to purchase health insurance, or be fined, of course you'll have people choosing to go without. It's called FREEDOM.

*facepalm*. It means that they won't be able to afford healthcare or insurance.

The freedom to die for the sake of the rich who get a mega tax break.

Yay.

Nevermind..talking to a wall..

a reply to: xuenchen

Medicare for all

(will cost over $6 trillion less than the current health care system over the next ten years. typical middle class family would save over $5,000 Businesses would save over $9,400 a year in health care costs for the average employee This plan has been estimated to cost $1.38 trillion per year Revenue raised: $110 billion a year.Under this plan the marginal income tax rate would be: 37 percent on income between $250,000 and $500,000. 43 percent on income between $500,000 and $2 million. 48 percent on income between $2 million and $10 million. (In 2013, only 113,000 households, the top 0.08 percent of taxpayers, had income between $2 million and $10 million.) 52 percent on income above $10 million. (In 2013, only 13,000 households, just 0.01 percent of taxpayers, had income exceeding $10 million.)

a reply to: lostbook

I wonder how many of those that will lose coverage are like my youngest daughter who pays over $400 per month for "insurance" through her job which covers absolutely NOTHING but meets the Affordable Care Act criteria to keep her from being penalized by the IRS? She quickly found out that it is much cheaper to pay the tax fine, however got stuck paying for insurance she can't make any use of for a full year before she can opt out! The deductible is so high it is unreal!

a reply to: lostbook

The CBO also told us that Obamacare would be revenue neutral too.

originally posted by: AboveBoard

originally posted by: carewemust
With no Federal Mandate requiring Americans to purchase health insurance, or be fined, of course you'll have people choosing to go without. It's called FREEDOM.

*facepalm*. It means that they won't be able to afford healthcare or insurance.

The freedom to die for the sake of the rich who get a mega tax break.

Yay.

As opposed to now when they can't afford it either but the law "fixes" that by forcing them to try to pay for it anyway?

originally posted by: Blazemore2000
Not like Republicans ever cared whether anyone (besides themselves) had healthcare or not before... why change now?

Dropping healthcare for freeloaders is a good thing. This is the best news for a constitutional republic. We shall be getting back on our feet again through hard work and effort. Not the Obama method of looting the treasury for himself and his friends, and his voting base by giving out free stuff which has imploded everyone else pocketbooks and demolished the medical industry.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Imagine that. It's almost like everyone said this was a terrible plan.

Any plan that has government interfere in any competitive marketplace is a terrible plan.

Why do you think Healthcare is a competitive marketplace?

HealthCARE has been a competitive marketplace for the entirety of human history up until about... oh say... 50 years ago when health INSURANCE stopped being a private service and the government got entangled.

Cancer and car accidents are not consumer choices.

No, they are catastrophic events that people should be prepared to pay for.

Unless you think it's okay to demand fire insurance *after* your house and possessions have burned down.

They aren't luxury items.

No, they are life events.

Cancer and car accidents don't care about how much you work or what you can or cant afford.

No, they don't.

When the consumer choice consists of pay me or die...then the "free market" moniker fails from the get-go.

Just saying...I love free market capitalism. I prosper in it...But healthcare is not that and never has been that.
The rest of our peers in the industrialized world figured that out.

Stop confusing health care and health insurance. Insurance != Care.

There are many levels of cancer treatment and therapy.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Dropping healthcare for freeloaders is a good thing.

Absolutely. Screw them if they can't afford health insurance. Let them die in the streets. Or they can go to hospitals who are required by law to treat them and let the hospitals eat the cost. So what if hospitals start failing (which is the whole impetus for ACA to begin with). Who needs hospitals?

a reply to: AboveBoard

The GOP were fools for even having 1/3 of a plan "scored" in the first place. If ObamaCare was done that way, it would have shown the deficit increasing by $10 Trillion, with NO GAIN in the number of insured Americans. The front-end of ObamaCare was nothing but taxes and fees for 2 years, to build up the "subsidy pool" for paying people's premiums.

The Democrats were far more savvy with getting ObamaCare scored, because they had the entire package analyzed..not just the front 1/3 of it, like Ryan and team did. BAD MOVE!

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

I don't know.. Providing Government funded healthcare for people who earn under a certain income is compassionate. But doing so all the up to $22,000 income, like ObamaCare does, is a bit TOO generous, IMO.

originally posted by: jtma508

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Dropping healthcare for freeloaders is a good thing.

Absolutely. Screw them if they can't afford health insurance. Let them die in the streets. Or they can go to hospitals who are required by law to treat them and let the hospitals eat the cost. So what if hospitals start failing (which is the whole impetus for ACA to begin with). Who needs hospitals?

Perhaps if the entire democrat party hadn't been so gunge-ho in their wanton and irresponsible way they shoved Obamacare down the country's throat without even one ounce of common sense or even representation on behalf of the American people, then this debacle of a healthcare abortion wouldn't have happened. But now since it did, we have this situation you find yourself in, and it is your fault as much as anyone else who went along with it. Now it is payback time and KARMA is the bill collector. You must have known this would happen while you listened to all those lies coming from Obama's flapping maw. EVERYONE knew this would happen deep down.

Now remember this for next time: An ounce of common sense is worth 10 Trillion dollars worth of cure. (But you won't read that in any DNC literature). And likely not in the GOP's either by the way things are going

a reply to: jtma508

So what if the entire economy starts failing because no one wants to pay?

Shoot, I'll bet everyone I owe for goods or services will just completely get that argument and stop billing me.

Did people actually expect republicans to do better?


That would have flown in the face of the reality that they DONT GIVE A DAM about poor people.


That they have ALWAYS gone out of their way to diminish needed social programs


And that Trump is a massive liar and deceiver who tried to pull a fast one on the people by supporting this horrid repeal and replace in which he promised to do better


Lets all look at the way he spins this


This CBO report is DEVASTATING!

SINGLE PAYER


Bernie needs to start a massive movement for single payer NOW

a reply to: Willtell

Of course, "loss of coverage" could also be translated into ... Obamacare policy is discontinued and people are left to find a new one which may or may not actually be better for them.

You understand that this is exactly what happened to millions under Obamacare except that the policies nearly always were worse unless you qualified for heavy subsidy or Medicaid?

And the simple fact that the policy is discontinued says nothing about whether or not those people can then find a new policy and end up better off than before.

a reply to: lostbook


RE: ""The CBO, along with the Joint Committee on Taxation, found that 5 million fewer people would be covered under Medicaid by 2018, and 14 million fewer people would enroll in the program by 2026. Meanwhile, 6 million fewer Americans would be covered in the individual market by 2018, but by 2026, only 2 million fewer people are expected to be covered. That's in part because fewer employers would offer insurance to their workers, driving more people to the individual market.""

Source: www.cnn.com...

The Congressional Budget Office is great at spitting out numbers, but the pencil pushers are devoid of common sense. Since Medicaid is scheduled to stay AS IS, until 2020, how can 5 million people, 47%! of all those who are enrolled, LOSE their coverage by 2018?!?!

With that CBO estimate, we have "FAKE NEWS" at its finest. I smell Obama operatives again.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

And people wonder why Conservatives are seen as vengeful A-holes who only care about themselves. What a insightful post showing exactly why that is.

Democrats try and pass Healthcare for everyone.
Conservatives fight it tooth and nail the whole time.
It barely passes and eventually has more of the population insured than ever in history.
Conservatives get in power and tear it a part and come up with a way to hurt the poor and helpless and reward the wealthy.
Then say "This is revenge and Karma." For what??? Trying to help the less fortunate and sick and helpless.

Ya, what f*cking monsters!! Trying to help sick people get healthy. They should be ashamed!! All we should be doing is shaming and killing the poor and rewarding the wealthy, right??? Because that's way to good karma!!

You people are sick in the f*cking head you know that??? Do you even hear yourselves??? You're like some cheesy bad guy in an old sci-fi movie. "Ha ha, we're going to make the poor and average person sick and die while taking their little bit of money and rewarding the rich and powerful.....Ha, ha, ha....Then we'll tell them it's all their fault too. That's what you get when you try and help everyone get well. Stupid fools. It's karma suckers!!"

Jezus Christ!!!