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CBO says 14 mil Will Lose Coverage Next Year Under GOP Health Care Plan

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posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 04:39 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

It seems to me that Republicans are using a back-door method to get us to Single-Payer/Socialized Medicare-4-All. They can't just come out and ask for it, for obvious reasons.

Unfortunately, the way our healthcare system is run today makes it impossible for any other system to work.

As long as you have numerous insurance companies calling the shots and all of them more interested in their piece of the pie than the care that is being provided or received, patients and healthcare providers will continue to be screwed.

It will have to go back to the way it was prior to the government's contract with Blue Cross and Blue Shield.




posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 04:42 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

The competing across state lines thing is bulls***. I don't think I have seen a single person that has worked in healthcare past or present (myself included) that see any benefit to such a proposition. The largest insurance companies are already competing across state lines. They're also seeing record profits. These companies aren't going to take a hit to their profits out of the goodness of their heart. At best we're going to see normalized premiums across the country. So states that were paying less will now pay more and states that were paying more will now pay less. Effectively screwing the poor while benefiting the rich. That seems to be a theme with this bill.



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254
You are quite right. Healthcare in America is a commodity, just like pork bellies or crude oil.

Insurance companies make way too much money off of your dollars to ever give up their business without a huge fight.

This battle is not about healthcare, it is about your healthcare dollars. It is not about your physical well being, it is about what they can get out of your pocket and bank account.



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 04:55 PM
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originally posted by: Gumerk
a reply to: xuenchen

How about we try single payer/Universal Health Care?

second line


Where's the detailed plan ?




posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 04:57 PM
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a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

But all insurance companies must pay out 85% of money collected to health providers or refund part of the the premiums.

Where is the failure?




posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 04:58 PM
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Inagine that another purging law.



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
Inagine that another purging law.


chop cut and slice




posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 05:11 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
With no Federal Mandate requiring Americans to purchase health insurance, or be fined, of course you'll have people choosing to go without. It's called FREEDOM.


There is still a fine in the GOP plan?

It is paid directly to the Insurance company though..

If you go without coverage for any period of time and then decide to get coverage, the insurance company figures out how much they want to charge you...then tacks on 30% for every payment for a year.

LETS TALK NUMBERS

14 Million MORE people UNINSURED in 2018
24 Million MORE people UNINSURED by 2026 (10 years)
52 Million total uninsured by 2026
(26 Million Uninsured NOW...the lowest uninsured rate in US History)

5 million fewer people would be covered under Medicaid by 2018
14 million fewer people would covered by Medicaid by 2026



Will Cut Deficit by 337B over 10 years..( primarily because of the legislation's cuts to Medicaid and private insurance subsidies.)

- Will Cut $673 billion by eliminating the ACA’s subsidies
+ The tax credits in the Republican bill would cost $361 billion

Low-income people would face HIGHER costs than they do under Obamacare.
Plus lessor coverage without Obamacare minimum plan requirements.

The tax credits would be larger for those with higher incomes, particularly for those with incomes above 400 percent of the federal poverty

Insurance premiums would RISE in 2018 and 2019 under the GOP plan, by as much as 15 percent to 20 percent for single policyholders in the individual market, according to CBO.

CBO warns that there would be significant variability for different age groups because the repeal bill would eliminate Obamacare’s requirement that older people can be charged only three times as much as younger individuals.

www.politico.com...

Premiums are expected to jump up to 20 percent in the individual market in 2018 and 2019
But the increase in premiums would be much steeper for some Americans in the individual market, particularly older people with lower incomes.

www.cnn.com...

This plan repeals the limits by which insurance companies can jack up premiums on older people.
Obamacare limited premiums for older people to 3X a companies least expensive policy.

It cuts Medicaid and block grants Medicaid to the states vs. paying for it. Their is no math where people aren't tossed off Medicaid.

** All BS aside...This GOP Plan looks almost like it was written to hurt the very people that elected Trump.



[T]he Republican plan offers less assistance to older and lower-income Americans, especially in rural areas, according to the Kaiser data. These groups generally backed Mr. Trump. Most of all, President Trump's white working-class supporters often make enough money to be ineligible for Medicaid, but not enough to afford costly health insurance that might even become more expensive under the Republican plan.

The plan would hit older and rural Americans hardest because it wouldn't provide a larger tax credit to people with more expensive plans. Older Americans pay the highest premiums, and the law would allow insurers to raise premiums for older customers even further.

And Cohn's analysis didn't even take into account the direct impact on those benefiting from the Affordable Care Act's (ACA) Medicaid expansion—though Cohn notes that "Trump led by 49-46 percent among Medicaid beneficiaries in the nine red expansion states that have voted Republican in the last two presidential elections."

www.commondreams.org...



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 05:14 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated



Wonder how they will like working for $75k/yr? You aren't going to get socialized medicine and Doctors making big bucks....


You're making the erroneous assumption that doctors who work in countries with NHS are employees with pre-determined salaries.

They are not.

The majority of doctors in Canada are self-employed. They're incorporated entities. They determine for themselves how much income they want to earn with the benefit of taking advantage of corporate tax breaks for their businesses.

They're earning capabilities depend on what sort of physician they are (average gp, specialist, etc), what sort of practice they run, what province they work in, and where they're located (rural, big cities, etc).

Doctors in Canada earn on average between $250K to $350K gross per annum, but can earn upwards of $650K per year for specialized professions.



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 05:18 PM
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Who OPPOSES the GOP plan?

The Chief Medical Officer of Medicaid, Dr. Andrey Ostrovsky
The American Medical Association
The American Hospital Association
The AARP



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 05:20 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
With no Federal Mandate requiring Americans to purchase health insurance, or be fined, of course you'll have people choosing to go without. It's called FREEDOM.

Its called a broken campaign promise


Vote for me and I will do X
-votes for him
Thanks..I am gonna not do X btw, suckers!!!



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 05:20 PM
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originally posted by: lostbook
The CBO ( Congressional Budget Office) has issued a report today with its findings concerning the GOP's Obamacare replacement known as the the AHCA or the American Health Care Act. Despite Trump's promises to have a better health system in which everyone will be covered, the CBO says that 24million will be without insurance by 2026. Even worse is the fact that older people will have to pay more under this plan, according to the article.



The Congressional Budget Office’s report on the American Health Care Act estimates that 14 million people would be without health insurance in 2018 versus under the plan, while 24 million people would be uninsured in 2026 than under the current plan. The 28-page report released Monday afternoon was bad news for Republicans who had been preemptively attacking the office in anticipation of a scoring critical of their proposed Obamacare replacement plan. The report also said that while the AHCA would substantially decrease premiums for younger policy holders, it would substantially raise them for older Americans.


Healthcare....I don't know what to say. Will the GOP bring us true, affordable healthcare? What says ATS?

www.yahoo.com... eport-184603210.html


True, affordable healthcare isn't possible without completely scrapping the existing system.
A procedure that costs a few hundred bucks in most countries costs tens of thousands here.

Insurance doesn't fix the outrageous costs, and making insurance mandatory only makes those costs go up.

Find the source of the ridiculous cost, and fix it. Bring the pre-insurance cost of procedures in line with the rest of the world, and the insurance problem will sort itself out.



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 05:22 PM
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a reply to: lostbook

The reason for the drop is the mandate for insurance goes away.



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 05:24 PM
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Under the ACA in 2017, for exchange plans:
•60-year-old with $20,000 income now gets $13,200
•60-year-old with $40,000 income now gets $10,100
•60-year-old with $60,000 income now gets $0

Under the GOP's tax credit proposal, for any individual market plan:
•60-year-old with $20,000 income would get $4,000 (70% less than under ACA)
•60-year-old with $40,000 would get $4,000 (60% less than under ACA)
•60-year-old with earning up to $75,000 would get $4,000


* While at the same time the GOP plan repeals the limit on which insurance companies can charge older people and removes the basic coverage requirements for plans.

www.cnbc.com...



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Imagine that. It's almost like everyone said this was a terrible plan.


Any plan that has government interfere in any competitive marketplace is a terrible plan.



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 05:30 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
With no Federal Mandate requiring Americans to purchase health insurance, or be fined, of course you'll have people choosing to go without. It's called FREEDOM.


Example:

A 60 year old that makes 40k per year will see their cost of insurance double...

The CBO says plans will increase 20% next year...Subsidies will decrease 60% for a 60 year old making 40k..

And the bare minimum (co-pays and out of pocket limits under aca) will no longer be required in plans.

When that 60 year can no longer afford to be insured...Is that freedom?

The GOP keeps saying access to healthcare...."access" is a big word..You might have "access" to a Lamborghini...if you had a couple hundred thousand dollars to spare..
edit on 13-3-2017 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 05:30 PM
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originally posted by: lordcomac
Find the source of the ridiculous cost, and fix it. Bring the pre-insurance cost of procedures in line with the rest of the world, and the insurance problem will sort itself out.


That would be Medicare and Medicaid, with a healthy dose of subsidizing lower drug prices for the rest of the planet.



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 05:35 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

I don't see how citizens who can't afford to purchase health insurance because their place of employment doesn't offer it, or they're unemployed is considered FREEDOM. I consider it a basic human rights issue for a country to provide its citizens access to a doctor and medical care. I don't think most Americans believe in kicking people to a curb and just letting them die if they can't afford medical treatment. The people of the U.S. are better than that.

There's more than enough tax payer's money going towards trillions of dollars in the U.S. military budget and foreign aid. I think it's about time the needs of American citizens are addressed.



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: Gumerk
a reply to: carewemust

Choosing to go without, or literally cannot afford it despite efforts to maintain their health?


Many who chose to go without used "good health" as an excuse. Then, they complained bitterly after becoming sick, or developing a condition, and not being able to get reasonably priced health insurance.

Of course, the government could mandate that everyone have health insurance, or pay a fine that's 50% of what a health insurance premium should be. That would help lower the premiums, by a little bit. Medical treatment is so damn costly that you need 100 young people paying premiums for a year, just to offset the costs of a single heart bypass surgery.



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 05:37 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Imagine that. It's almost like everyone said this was a terrible plan.


Any plan that has government interfere in any competitive marketplace is a terrible plan.


Why do you think Healthcare is a competitive marketplace?

Never has been.

The free market requires price elasticity and consumer choice.

Cancer and car accidents are not consumer choices. They aren't luxury items. Cancer and car accidents don't care about how much you work or what you can or cant afford. When the consumer choice consists of pay me or die...then the "free market" moniker fails from the get-go.

Just saying...I love free market capitalism. I prosper in it...But healthcare is not that and never has been that.
The rest of our peers in the industrialized world figured that out.



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