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-BREAKING- FBI backs CIA view that Russia intervened to help Trump win

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posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 10:17 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
I think before any of you go too far we should wait and see what comes of this. Russia may have hacked the DNC and others in an effort to sway public opinion with leaks, but they may not have directly affected the vote.

These calls of civil war and such are concerning. Have people gone full-retard?

I know I'm on a conspiracy site, but some of you really need to get a #ing grip.


People are embracing extremist views.

I've seen multiple comments lately about the "incoming war." Another poster in a different thread was telling me it will be against "straight white men and the minorities," and now we have the view that it will be "the liberals versus everyone else."

People have to have their doomporn. OBAMA failed to deliver on the multiple things people claimed so now they've moved the goalposts and shifted to a different group.

The civil war comments are laughable lol. Americans are too lazy to do any such thing.
edit on Fri Dec 16 2016 by DontTreadOnMe because: Reaffirming Our Desire For Productive Political Debate (REVISED)




posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 10:21 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: theantediluvian

Is this to say everyone who disagrees with the lefts ideology is stupid?


Do you know what the fallacy begging the question is?

Because you just did it.

Pretty sure no one but yourself said that. You guys love to make your own # up then hold it out and yell "THIS STINKS!"

Is this to say that anyone who doesn't vehemently support Trump is a freedom hating malice filled loser who wants to see America destroyed?

Lol the hysteria continues.



posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 10:35 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

C'mon! I didn't say that. There are plenty of smart right-wingers. Hell, I come from a family of (mostly) brilliant Republicans. There are some very bright, knowledgeable and well-informed conservatives posting right here on this site.

There's also a lot of people who don't know what they're talking about and some of them are self-styled would be revolutionaries who can't pass up an opportunity to talk about violent overthrow of the government or civil war.

Keep in mind that way back on the first page of this thread this was said:

"This is exactly what the left in this country wants. Utter chaos, the destruction of American institutions, and eventually the deaths of all who oppose them."

Is that to say that everyone who disagrees with the right's ideology is an America-hating genocidal lunatic? Also, the way people have been commenting, I actually forgot we weren't in the Mud Pit.



posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 10:35 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Shockingly I actually already read your post and all of the links included.

I will give you a single link to justify what I have said previously....these hacks can be masked. If you have the knowledge and the hardware this link will give you a very simplified yet direct answer as to how.

Quote to give you an idea....this is from a blog post by Cisco from 2014 and references that they have been dealing with this type of issue since the 1990's.

Granted this is for a malicious wipe but the same actions can be used for gathering:



In order to capture the necessary traffic we had to modify both of the aforementioned disk wiper components. One modification replaced one of the hard-coded C2 server IP addresses with a local address belonging to a decoy VM while changing references to the other hard-coded addresses to point to this local address instead.


Cisco Blog Source

Now I do not claim to have done this ever in my career, but I do understand the entirety of the blog post and can see that it CAN be done and HAS been done by Cisco. A hard coded C2 IP can be spoofed and has been.

My reasoning for the issue I see is that the claim from our intelligence community is that a foreign intelligence community is dumb enough to use something with a hard coded IP or code block that traces back directly to a previous known attack. That goes against EVERYTHING I have ever known about hacking. If caught, no old code is used....why? Because the trail leads DIRECTLY to you. What does a sneaky hacker do? Use code from other sources so if found it leads back to THEM!



posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 10:38 PM
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a reply to: muse7

Just EXACTLY HOW did the Russians intervened in a Non Centralized Voting System in the U.S. ? Answer , they Did Not , this Whole Story is a Fabrication Plain and Simple .



posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 10:41 PM
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originally posted by: imjack
a reply to: projectvxn

Blah blah blah, my point is only Conservatives actually say 'civil war' and cite the left as the cause.

I don't think you understand how war works.

A bunch of Conservatives running around murdering random liberal people isn't a 'war'.


Only the right does it?

I don't think that is true. Why it was just not too long ago that Cali was calling for secession just like any good ol' boy hick.



posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 10:41 PM
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a reply to: RomeByFire

I can understand the need for doomporn. It gives some people a "rush" when they may not have another source for it, but this election has brought-out much more anger than I've seen from the few elections I have experienced.

People are going to extremes that are beyond reasonable.



posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 10:42 PM
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This is NOT the Mud Pit!!!!


IOW....post to the topic.....do NOT bicker.....Reaffirming Our Desire For Productive Political Debate (REVISED)\\



and, as always:

Do NOT reply to this post!!



posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 10:44 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Please don't ask for evidence. I put together a thread with evidence and you tried to derail it immediately with Aleppo pictures and didn't bother to read any of it.

As for this:


Meanwhile, the DNC Hack was released the week before the DNC Convention. Look at the graph, her poll ratings actually went up following it, not the other way around. LA Times ended up being the most accurate poll, no?


That just proves how irrational you're being. I'm sure you're well aware of the convention bounce? Can you prove that the bounce wouldn't have been larger without the DNC release? Again, why do you keep ignoring the Podesta release?

This isn't even the conversation I want to be having. I'm not arguing one way or the other about the influence the hacks/releases had. I'm far more interested in what our reponse will be and how it will effect the relationship between the US and Russia with Trump in the White House.

If the response is gratitude, that's a problem.



posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 10:46 PM
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posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 11:08 PM
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a reply to: imjack

There would be nothing random about it.

The traitors have made themselves known.

And thanks to Obama and his predecessors allowing all the spying and mass info storage on everybody, all anti-American sympathizes will be easy to find with evidence of their posting histories used against them at trials after the good guys win.


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posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 11:21 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

So that thread was Podesta, and not DNC? I thought that was DNC.

I could have sworn you were more interested in muddying the waters bu pushing the Official Version.

BTW:
I went to try to find the page wherever that graph was posted from but it wasn't showing up in Google God Images. Here's a snapshot from a different close by day:

And the full tally as current:

graphics.latimes.com...

Lines are different.

So it looks like it dipped a good point beyond the trend that week following the release. Note how she ended up about where she was before and after the conventions, in points spread. And how things were ticking along the course steady until she went and fell on 9/11. Spin it however you want I and many others called the election that day. We weren't wrong. Oh, wait, Putin, Putin, Putin. I need to get a chalk board in here so I can write "Putin Did It. Everything Else I Fake News." 500 times until there's no way I could ever forget again.

There is that pesky thing, all those counter arguments in your thread.

And then the credibility of the CIA, Comey, Flapper, etc (there isn't any).

And then the real motives of why Russia would declare an info war on Hillary / the DNC (which Goddess Hillary, King Obama, the DNC, Huma, Brazile, the FBI, the SD, the DOJ, the NSA, the DEA, , the CIA, and the Fake News aren't putting into perspective for anybody).

Since the MSM didn't hardly touch the WikiLeaks, they did little more than to level the playing field, as the MSM was bare knuckles running white with desire against Trump straight in thru the thing. And in the end, clearly, her own email server and Wiener's wiener it what sealed her fate that last few days.
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posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 11:45 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Shocking, Wow, they talked about the Trump tape more then wikileaks emails when the Trump Tape was fresh! Maybe if wikileaks had not hyped the # out the emails and produced actual damage emails it might have been different.
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posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 11:50 PM
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a reply to: Pyle

Two most disliked candidates ever and you're surprised the country switched parties after 8 years like most of the time?

Of course, the only thing that is possible is that the Russians made Trump win.

In your defense, plenty of anonymous sources say that.
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posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 11:52 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: RomeByFire

I can understand the need for doomporn. It gives some people a "rush" when they may not have another source for it, but this election has brought-out much more anger than I've seen from the few elections I have experienced.

People are going to extremes that are beyond reasonable.



I find doomporn to be retarded.

Whether it's Nibiru, Obama is the anti-Christ who is going to steal the guns and implement Sharia Law, or this new "civil war," crap... it's all the same.

It gets tiresome hearing on a daily basis that the sky is falling because of X and only Y can save the day.



posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 12:02 AM
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Okay, here's the poll proper:


graphics.latimes.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
glomardisclosure.com...

Also interesting is this one from that page which shows the expected results, by peoples perceptions, due to the MSM handling of the election:

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posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 12:06 AM
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a reply to: Annee

If in fact Russia did anything or not the only thing they are being accused of is hacking the Podesta emails!

The Podesta emails had nothing to do with the election. The Podesta emails only exposed the truth as to the corruption in the democratic party. If the democrats lost due to the fact that their corruption was exposed then who ever exposed those emails Russian or not did America a favor!


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posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 12:07 AM
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I hate these threads made by Trump haters. Can't they see that many people knew from Hillary that Russia was getting involved somewhat and they still voted for Trump because they disliked Hillary so much. They lost a lot of Bernie supporters who went over and voted for Trump. She screwed Bernie over, that was a very bad thing to do. She thinks she is above the law it appears.

I really don't care anymore, I hope this country gets split into a bunch of small countries already. We might as well have borders between us, trade homes with the crazy people so they can all move into one area and go on their own.

Don't start giving the Russians too much credit, their tactics didn't work that well, Hillary's own past and actions are what made her lose.

It's not as if what was leaked was a lie, whoever supplied that information should be given a metal. Since when is it a crime to tell the truth about someone if you know it? Do I need to resay that again? Never cut down someone for telling the truth.
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posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 12:08 AM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

James madison gave a opinion. he didnt pass the EC rules. The talking heads and experts say the EC does reflect how the states voted. I fthey do not do as told they should be punished. They signed a verbal contract and breaking it needs repurcussions.

Also Hamilton was also opinion.



posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 12:10 AM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
I hate these threads made by Trump haters. Can't they see that many people knew from Hillary that Russia was getting involved somewhat and they still voted for Trump because they disliked Hillary so much. They lost a lot of Bernie supporters who went over and voted for Trump. She screwed Bernie over, that was a very bad thing to do. She thinks she is above the law it appears.

I really don't care anymore, I hope this country gets split into a bunch of small countries already. We might as well have borders between us, trade homes with the crazy people so they can all move into one area and go on their own.


Gives new meaning to red country and blue country. I agree. although we still can have mutual defence pacts.



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