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originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: spiritualzombie
Explain to me why it matters. She lost the election, explain how winning the popular vote matters...
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie
originally posted by: Snippythehorse
a reply to: spiritualzombie
Figures ive seen say trump won the pop vote and the electoral college....check yer sources
Stop spreading lie. You can vote for Trump. He won the electoral college. Just stop spreading lies.
Truth matters.
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: spiritualzombie
Explain to me why it matters. She lost the election, explain how winning the popular vote matters...
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Again...why do you ask this???
It obviously mattered enough for Trump supporters to issue a fake news story and an OP to be made on ATS selling the lie that he also won the popular vote and then for dozens and dozens of Trump supporters staring and flaging that fake claim and then those same supporters defending the lie with more BS..
So I can ask you...why does it matter? Cuz Trump supporters are going to great lengths to try and deny it with fake news sites, twitter posts, OPs etc...so the fact he lost the popular vote obviously matters a whole effen lot to them.
All this OP did was point out the actual truth and numbers to debunk a political lie and propaganda ..and that POs you?
BS...
originally posted by: Hr2burn
I guess if we're posting numbers on who actually won the popular vote...I'll put in my source. I posted this on another thread...
Trump wins pop vote
originally posted by: spiritualzombie
I absolutely agree that the real question here is WHY the alt-right feels a need to lie about this.... Let's ponder.
By not winning the popular vote, Trump is unable to genuinely say "the people have spoken", because THEY DID, but not for him. He still has yet to win over the people. It validates protests. It means he was beat by a woman in a vote by the people. Lots of reasons I can think of for alt-right to lie...
And of course, losing the "popular" vote is going to bother anyone who suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Losing the popular vote is a pretty significant symbolic failure. It's difficult to brag too much about winning when you don't win the popular vote.
So far Trump lost the popular vote by a few hundred thousand votes worse than George W Bush. Bush lost by ~550,000 votes. Trump lost by ~800,000 votes. Not exactly greatness.
originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed
Except it isn't bald truth, or balding truth or even extremely hairy truth.
Obama is not Kenyan, nor Maxist nor Muslim - all demonstrable facts.
Whet kind of personality disorder is it when Hillary supporters have to cancel school exams to curl up into fetal position and cry then over their candidate losing? How about Hikkary herself going into a violent rage and going off on her staff? She was reportedly drunk and heavily sedated to control her tantrums. What kind of people protest a candidate by taking over a highway and getting people hit by cars ?
originally posted by: spiritualzombie
I absolutely agree that the real question here is WHY the alt-right feels a need to lie about this.... Let's ponder.
By not winning the popular vote, Trump is unable to genuinely say "the people have spoken", because THEY DID, but not for him. He still has yet to win over the people. It validates protests. It means he was beat by a woman in a vote by the people. Lots of reasons I can think of for alt-right to lie...
And of course, losing the "popular" vote is going to bother anyone who suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Losing the popular vote is a pretty significant symbolic failure. It's difficult to brag too much about winning when you don't win the popular vote.
So far Trump lost the popular vote by a few hundred thousand votes worse than George W Bush. Bush lost by ~550,000 votes. Trump lost by ~800,000 votes. Not exactly greatness.
originally posted by: [post=21533726]Soylent Green Is People
Yeah -- but .....
Like I said, I read, see, and here news stories every day in which it is being said that Ms. Clinton will almost certainly be the leader in the popular vote when all votes are tallied.
So, yeah -- she got the popular vote but not the electoral vote.
But that happens sometimes, as it did four other times in the past. This will be the fifth time.
But whether we like Trump or not (and I don't), there are valid reasons for the electoral college, mainly so big states don't have too much power in electing a president. Equity of states power (big states v. little states) is a big deal in our form of government.
We aren't just one country but a union of 50 states, and states' power matter -- and the constitution is specifically written to have little states, if at all possible, to matter as much as a big state.
By the way, did you know that as the constitution was originally written, ONLY members of the House of Representatives were chosen by popular vote? The framers of the constitution also had it so U.S. Senators are chosen by state legislatures rather than by popular vote. It wasn't until 1913 that senators were elected directly by the people. And (as we are discussing) the framers of the constitution did not want the President to be decided directly by the people, so that's where the electoral college comes from.
The consensus of the framers of the constitution was to partially restrict the voting power of the populace in favor of having the populace vote for a representation of that populace (Electoral College, House of Reps, State Legislatures, etc.), and have most of the voting power reside in those representatives of the people.
And another "by the way"...Just because I dislike Mr. Trump doesn't mean I'm ready to throw the electoral college out the window. That would be, as they say, tossing out the baby with the bath water. I still feel the electoral college is important in keeping the proper balance of power among the 50 states in the Union. Like I said, states' powers are an important aspect of our country, and the "Republic/Representational democracy" aspect is important too.
In 1976, Jimmy Carter won a razor-thin victory over Gerald Ford.
A change in just over 5,000 votes in Ohio and 3,000 votes in Hawaii would have given the election to Ford with 270 electoral votes.
Testifying to a Senate committee in the aftermath of the election, GOP Vice-Presidential nominee Bob Dole indicated the Ford-Dole campaign was actively seeking to influence Democrat electors to switch to their ticket.
"We were shopping -- not shopping, excuse me -- looking around for electors," Dole said. "It just seems to me that the temptation is there for that elector in a very tight race to really negotiate quite a bunch."