Two journalists killed in shooting during live newscast at Smith Mountain Lake

a reply to: randyvs

You're supposed to make your tin foil hat out of tin foil. You're not supposed to shrink wrap it to your head.

Bad things happen in the world. This particular one was caught on camera. I know it's hard to believe that bad people exist and that not every last thing that happens is manufactured drama meant to upset you, but it's true.

The traffic light didn't turn red just to upset you.

a reply to: Xarian6

So a guy used to, nay, even trained to not showing emotion on camera is suspicious because he's not showing emotion on camera?

A gay black man with anger issues, who owns several porn web sites, goes on a rampage.

That pretty much covers the rest of the bases for these violent situations.

I haven't read through every page of this thread, obviously. But has anyone posted or seen this video? It is difficult not to see this as some sort of contrived hoax after watching throughout the entire video:

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: Shamrock6

I would suggest you listen very hard to what is said right here.
Just listen that's all. No retort will be needed. I'm sure you'll
at least find it interesting.

a reply to: randyvs

I don't believe everything I hear (or see)...I'm as conspiracy-theory persuadable as the next ATSer...but sometimes bad things happen, unbelievably bad things, horrific bad things...things that don't "look" right or "feel" right...but are true, nonetheless...

Just because there are those who believe that some narcissistic, self-proclaimed victim of society gunned down two innocent people (on camera) and then offed himself doesn't mean we're stupid or gullible or somehow less intelligent than those of you who don't....that's as arrogant as the idiot who committed this atrocity.

a reply to: Jansy

Just because there are those who believe that some narcissistic, self-proclaimed victim of society gunned down two innocent people (on camera) and then offed himself doesn't mean we're stupid or gullible or somehow less intelligent than those of you who don't....that's as arrogant as the idiot who committed this atrocity.

Then I guess maybe I'm not arrogant? Seeing that I have made none of those suggestions?
But it does mean something, when people choose to believe a lie.

a reply to: randyvs

Cool man.

"And this, of course, is the central problem with conspiracy theorists — once you inflexibly accept that something is a conspiracy, any contrary evidence has the paradoxical effect of making your case stronger. Every contradiction deepens the conspiracy."

- Chuck Klosterman

It's sad/horrific, we get that, although I do have to laugh when there's such outrage of 2 white people being shot when there's 200k+ civilians killed from the Iraq war to present day, get a grip.

On a false flag note, is it possible that it's to cover up the massive FTSE crisis/fall? Was something passed through Government while we were all so shocked about this shooting? Who knows

First of all I think the woman being interviewed should have seen him, doesn't matter what the situation is if someone walks towards you holding something out in your peripheral vision you're going to at least glance.

Also I don't believe it was 'adrenaline' that made the reporter run away after a few shots to the body, I've seen tonnes of videos of people being shot from various distances away, some drop instantly and others stumble before dropping, very very rarely do they run away - and I don't believe a dainty blonde reporter would have the strength to do so.

Cameraman wasn't even focusing on the interview yet was conveniently facing the opposite direction to the shooter, from the POV video I don't think he was in the way.

Just my 2 cents

originally posted by: Elldren
I've watched both videos, the news cast and the one the shooter recorded.
Here's something that I found very odd. While watching the new cast video, I wondered what or who the shooter was shooting at while the news reporter said "Omg!".
Then I watched the shooter video, and I could see he was REALLY close to the news crew...almost point blank! And then to my surprise I saw the shooter, at very close distance, fire directly at the reporter. I could hear 3 direct shots while the shooter's gun was pointed at the reporter. The 4th shot had the camera move down and I couldn't see if the gun was still pointed at the reporter. It might have still been. The surprising part is that the reporter said "OMG omg!" and ran in the opposite direction.

Shouldn't she have dropped like a sack of potatoes after being shot at least 3 times at close range...no matter the caliber of the gun? Even 3 shots from a .22 would drop you at that close range. How could she have run? From the video, his aim seemed to be on the report so I don't think he would have missed all 3. The first one, according to where he had the gun pointed, would have penetrated her right ribs and more than likely her lung...preventing her from saying OMG OMG.

Interesting, is it not?

an indepth analysis of discrepancies in shooting.

a reply to: Shamrock6

I see nothing to cause me to be flexible. I see fakery,
as I have many times before. But not everytime. Have
you seen any? No! And why not? Because you have told
yourself the liars will only go thus far. That is why you
must defend against those who haven't even attacked
you. Those who have perpetrated the lie have attacked
you. And in return you attack those for seeing what you
have told yourself, is not happening. When truth be told
" The reality of the world you live in and that you are a
part of, is much much different, from that which you have
told yourself it is".

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Shamrock6

I see nothing to cause me to be flexible. I see fakery,
as I have many times before. But not everytime. Have
you seen any? No! And why not? Because you have told
yourself the liars will only go thus far. That is why you
must defend against those who haven't even attacked
you. Those who have perpetrated the lie have attacked
you. And in return you attack those for seeing what you
have told yourself, is not happening. When truth be told
" The reality of the world you live in and that you are a
part of, is much much different, from that which you have
told yourself it is".

in other words:

You know...there's one thing that will always bother me about this incident that I just can't shake. The shooter was standing mere feet from the victims for an extended period of time without him being noticed or acknowledged in any way.
Now, one could imagine this being completely normal had it been for say, a few seconds. However, this held out for a much longer duration of time than one would normally expect to see in such a scenario.
Keep in mind, I'm not screaming false flag or anything like that. I'm merely making the observation that this particular aspect of the shooting was just plain rummy. We all have peripheral vision. Were all three individuals in such a zone, and just so focused on their task that they failed to notice the fourth person standing amongst them, who then draws a handgun and mutters "bitch" under his breath? I could understand them not hearing him say that, absolutely. I'm puzzled, though, as to how so much time elapsed without any of the victims seeing this man a few feet from them.
Another point that I could arrive at is the fact that this wasn't just a random person who strolled up to these people. This was a man that two of the victims not only knew, but allegedly had a conflict with. I can definitely understand how the cameraman would miss him, seeing that he was looking through a lens. However, he was directly in the line of at least peripheral site of the reporter. So that's really what gets me about this incident, if anything.
I've seen a handful of articles already, all attempting to show how this is a staged incident. Some of the points made were just absolutely asinine. Others though, in complete and unbiased honesty, were credible observations. What this appears to have been, at face value, is a shooting orchestrated by an individual who had found a negatively brilliant manner in which to not only make a name for himself, but SHOCK the media and citizens of the country, which is attention grabbing by nature. This is also something that none of us have really ever seen before. A double murder that was not only seen live on television, but was also recorded by the perpetrator in the first person, and posted to social media.
If we want to talk merely in terms of execution and creativity in the matter (not trying to sound horrible or morbid here), this was brilliant. Awful, but brilliant.
There's a lot more that can be said here, though, as far as suspicion of a setup or false flag agenda being carried out to push the race war and gun control narratives (perhaps the manifesto was staged to make it such). Also, the alleged scene of the shooter's car "crash" and suicide featured firsthand accounts of law enforcement ordering reporters to "either stop filming, or delete the footage". Of course, there could be plenty of reasons for such a request, but the same can be said as to why that may appear bizarre to many.
Either way, this one ain't over folks.

originally posted by: Visitor2012
Maybe I'm going crazy but there's a screen capture from the cameraman footage showing Vester standing, holding a gun . www.wtvy.com... but, when I watch the video in slo motion, no where in the footage does it show vester's face nor any portion of his upper body and him holding a gun. All we see when the camera drops to the ground is someone's lower body, walking towards the victims.

I'm not calling false flag here, but I'm just curious if anyone else noticed this.

People are noticing this; that it seems like there may have been "multiple takes" of this woman getting "shot" 3 or 4 times at point blank range and merely screaming in full voice like she is in an amusement park haunted house while running away. Meanwhile, the camera man goes down immediately, after perhaps [/I]one shot. Synchronizing the "news feed" with the "first person view" seems to be the key here.