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a reply to: tigertatzen
You get outta here with that "people on TV worry about being on TV" crap.
These people should've had a 360 degree bubble of awareness at all times because all people on the planet have that at all times.
Again, this is why sucker punches and surprise attacks NEVER EVER work.
It's actually the vast majority of the time.
a reply to: tigertatzen
No, I'm definitely not implying that a video game made this psycho kill those people - I did find it very interesting the manner in which he filmed it though.
You're totally right, it had a huge impact on the viewer - and it was probably especially eery for those people who are used to those types of video games and who saw this atrocity from that angle. Freaky stuff, I hope this wakes people up the the huge issue of mental health and the way we approach it as a society. Obviously there are a number of factors here, but this man was evidently a ticking timeb0mb and someone who could've gone off at any moment. Condolences to the victims and their loved ones, so so sad
Some preventive words for members who sees themselves as good hearted individuals for not contemplating alternative theories in regard to incidents like these out of respect for the victims/families:
Yes I do care about the victims and families in incidents like these. But that doesn’t stop my critical thinking and automatically give in to self-censorship. And to be honest, deaths like these are not worth more grief than the other 42 people who according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s statistics got murdered the same day in the US. And that’s that!
originally posted by: randyvs
According to that G-D picture maker, in the hands of
people who have lied their asses off at us constantly everyday
for years. I should be able to go outside and kick some rocks over
and find a madman shooter. Well guesss what I don't have to go
outside and kick rocks to know that's total bullsh#t. If you want
to watch something that only looks fictional coming out of the
lie maker and call it truth? Feel free, don't expect me to buy it.
I would have to agree with you. I majored in radio/tv/film in college, and we had to do mock news reports for class. We had an earpiece to listen to the producer, so we were concentrating very hard on that and on the person we were interviewing. You aren't supposed to be looking around while you are interviewing someone - it looks unprofessional. So, even if you saw something in your peripheral vision, you ignored it while on air.
Sorry for jumping in, I hope it’s okay.
I feel like you have gotten stuck with the notion that reporters on live television are totally devoured in the target they are interviewing. Yes, they know how to shut out surrounding distractions which may interfere with their performance, but even that is hard sometimes. But to totally shut out your peripheral vision and stop reacting to threats on a subliminal level and instinct based on long term memory seems very unlikely. In this case the shape and color of a typical gun and the standard positioning of a person shooting a gun would trigger a reaction. And we are not talking about one persons instinct and peripheral vision, we are talking about two people.
I mean, Alison already got a glimpse of him picking up something black which may or may not be a pistol. Connecting that with the aiming motion during approximately 6 seconds (00:18-00:24) with a distance of 3 feet away would according to me make almost everyone react. On top of that, Alison knew that Adam had panned out of her and the interviewed persons visual area with the camera, and at that stage looking another way to evaluate the situation would make no difference.
Vester’s video: heavy.com...
I aslo feel that something is wrong when it comes to the whole incident and I also feel like Vester is waiting for something, a cue like you put it. If there is more to this than the official story, inline with some of our theories here, then Vester was probably waiting for Adam to start his panning of the camera so he would have time to situate himself and prepare his upcoming actions (Maybe also to eliminate the risk of facial expressions on the on-air individuals as a result to Vestas presence) I base that on how he behaves, stops and continues inline with when Adam start/ends his panning.
Vester was waiting for the right timing, like you said, but that doesn’t contradict that it may be staged, it can also confirm it. This would entitle the incident to be a conspiracy based on that all individuals in the video and other non attended would be in on it but lets not go down that road. Maybe you’re also right that it was Vesters own goal of a clear gun in his ”movie”… or maybe he made sure that something was executed in a specific way based on external/foreign suggestion and preparation.
But then again, I could be wrong. Maybe they all acted enormously casual because they thought Vester was another crew member, maybe he also visited other live broadcasts in the past without incidents which could have made his presence in this broadcast seem ”normal". Maybe the gun got mistaken for an extra battery for the camera.. All this could be the case, but the behavior shown and other aspects surrounding the incident is according to me and my odds meter unlikely.
I will only say this: I think it wise for myself personally to sit this one out and wait for the followup, so I am not venturing too far down that line of reasoning right now. I have very distinct reasons for that, which are bigger than just me. But...coincidence is a fallacy. Everything is connected. Much of what you are saying resonates. Critical thinking is of utmost importance right now, but so is being careful not to let the cart get ahead of the horse...which is not necessarily synonymous with self-censorship.