Fox News (conservatives) declare WAR against Higher Education

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry

Originally posted by DJM8507
Here is a video from a Tea party where a member screams about burning books from colleges/universities.

www.liveleak.com...

It starts at about 4:40.

This is a very disturbing, very telling depiction of what is to come.

My God. I had no idea how far this was going. Things are getting bad. Ever hear of Orson Well's 1984???

Better yet...go and watch the movie "Book of Eli." I had no idea that things were going this direction. Thanks for posting.

Ignore the tea party dudes, they're dellusional. They group up thinking their "movement" is close to the American people...when it reality, most of those teabagger organizations are sponsored by big business. They're essentially puppets of business and repeat their brainless slogans. I wouldn't take them too seriously

I personally think before this goes any further, that ALL unemployed people in the US start enrolling into higher ed courses, that's if they already don't have a degree. And I think they should ALL go on financial aid, while there's still a chance. I AM!

And also, yeah that's what we need more stupid ignorant uneducated America! WEEHAW!!!! Bring out the confederate flag...whoo hoo!Yeeeeeahaw!!!!
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The more people you let through any conduit to success, the less each will be worth.

Sorry about my one line post. I wasn't finished. Now that we're handing just about anyone a college degree, having a college degree isn't a big deal anymore. Now that 40% of the population goes to college, instead of 15%, a college degree is that much less valuable, and employers are noting this.

But we all had to be egalitarian and cram everybody through college that we could, because it's the "right thing to do," even though it meant dumbing college work down and devaluing the college degree.
Truth is it's a debt factory, worthless diplomas optional.

Originally posted by OverSword
I've got to say I pretty much agree with this. My younger brother and sister are both going to the University of Washington and the liberal drivel and socialist thinking that spews forth from thier facial orifices gets more and more disgusting the higher thier educations go.

So, you agree with the idea that people shouldn't attend college because they "supposedly" teach views that are counter to your own?

I will say this again, as many others have also said on this thread. The college of liberal arts and sciences will probably have a liberal slant, however, the University that I attend (Indiana University) things stay pretty neutral. But, there are plenty of other sectors within the education industry that teach more of a conservative outlook. For instance; the school of business.

Education is not the enemy. Ignorance is. And what is ATS's catchphrase??? DENY IGNORANCE.

Originally posted by concernedcitizan
Sorry about my one line post. I wasn't finished. Now that we're handing just about anyone a college degree, having a college degree isn't a big deal anymore. Now that 40% of the population goes to college, instead of 15%, a college degree is that much less valuable, and employers are noting this.

But we all had to be egalitarian and cram everybody through college that we could, because it's the "right thing to do," even though it meant dumbing college work down and devaluing the college degree.
Truth is it's a debt factory, worthless diplomas optional.

Now, I will agree with the fact that the curriculum has been dumbed down in public education, however, I have seen no facts that would indicate that this is being practiced in the Universities. And as it were, people with college educations are still considered far quicker than those without for jobs and careers.

I would also like to see facts, figures, and sources to back your claims the percentages that you have come up with.

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Originally posted by concernedcitizan
The more people you let through any conduit to success, the less each will be worth.

Should we completely give up on the idea of being successful so that the elite can continue monopolizing everything?

Originally posted by ldyserenity
I personally think before this goes any further, that ALL unemployed people in the US start enrolling into higher ed courses, that's if they already don't have a degree. And I think they should ALL go on financial aid, while there's still a chance. I AM!

And also, yeah that's what we need more stupid ignorant uneducated America! WEEHAW!!!! Bring out the confederate flag...whoo hoo!Yeeeeeahaw!!!!
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Nicely stated. I doubt that those against education will agree with your post though.

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry

Originally posted by DJM8507
Here is a video from a Tea party where a member screams about burning books from colleges/universities.

www.liveleak.com...

It starts at about 4:40.

This is a very disturbing, very telling depiction of what is to come.

My God. I had no idea how far this was going. Things are getting bad. Ever hear of Orson Well's 1984???

Better yet...go and watch the movie "Book of Eli." I had no idea that things were going this direction. Thanks for posting.

Ignore the tea party dudes, they're dellusional. They group up thinking their "movement" is close to the American people...when it reality, most of those teabagger organizations are sponsored by big business. They're essentially puppets of business and repeat their brainless slogans. I wouldn't take them too seriously

True, but these people often have influence over the way that other delusional people like themselves think. That's the danger in some of their actions. And remember, many of those that support the politics behind the tea parties, are the same people who support the politics behind the wars. They are more dangerous than you know.

Thanks for the post my friend.

reply to post by maybereal11

Agreed. Thanks for posting. You definitely brought some insight to the discussion.

Originally posted by TheOneElectric

Education is the process of increasing your understanding of the world. The more education a person gets, the more they understand about the world. The more a person understands about the world, the better they are able to take on new perspectives. The better one is at taking on new perspectives, the more liberal a person is. A liberal is someone who champions many perspectives, while a conservative is someone who only champions those perspectives that are most "close to home".

That's a step-by-step proof that education makes you liberal by improving you.

Thank you for your well thought out perspective. Much appreciated.

Wow, 9 pages of left leaning loonies not even watching the video and say Faux news called for eliminating higher education, JJJJEEEEEZZZ.

Everyone on this thread that does not understand anything about higher edumacation's BLATANT misrepresentation of socialist ideals are IGNORANT to the extreme.

NONE of you understand the implication of what the stated STUDY shows.

I am utterly flabbergasted by the idiocy proven in this thread.

So, IN WHAT world does the government and elitist's UTOPIAN ideals actually exist? Socialism on small scale can work. Socialism in large scale efforts BECOMES STALIN AND MAO.

Maybe ALL of you should read about THE REAL SOCIALISTS that you have as YOUR HEROES!

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


Are we confident enough to admit what we lack ability to excel in? If most kids aren't smart enough to get ahead at college/university, let them harvest their actual talents instead. We don't need an army of academics; we need people to do what they do best in society.

We need to end this bitter drama about how we can all be superstars in every field. Accept who you are, embrace what you can become, be the best you can be. It's that simple.

Originally posted by concernedcitizan
Sorry about my one line post. I wasn't finished. Now that we're handing just about anyone a college degree, having a college degree isn't a big deal anymore. Now that 40% of the population goes to college, instead of 15%, a college degree is that much less valuable, and employers are noting this.

But we all had to be egalitarian and cram everybody through college that we could, because it's the "right thing to do," even though it meant dumbing college work down and devaluing the college degree.

because you know this first hand right??? I went to community college, there work was definately Not dumbed down, there were people I had to tutor because they didn't get it however they did after turtoring which I did for free, on my time, yes turtoring is largely available, for the work they need extra help in, but the curriculum is definately NOT made any easier, and that was community college where you'd expect that to a degree.

It used to be that the purpose of an education was to help you develop the skills to think critically.

Politics didn't enter the classroom unless it was a course about politics.

If an issue was being discussed then multiple sides of the issue were presented and discussed. One wouldn't have been able to figure out the professors political view point if the material covered was done correctly.

Now we have a new trend. Should Universities weigh race and ethnicity in deciding whom to hire for their science departments? Article

Is there a lack of intellectual diversity on our campuses? " As early as 1991, Yale President Benno Schmidt warned that "The most serious problems of freedom of expression in our society today exist on campuses. The assumption seems to be that the purpose of education is to induce correct opinion rather than to search for wisdom and liberate the mind."

Should colleges be reeducation centers? At the University of Alabama, the College of Education explains that it is "committed to preparing individuals to promote social justice, to be change agents, and to recognize individual and institutionalized racism, sexism, homophobia, and classism."

Political litmus tests for future teachers? Blocked this time

I work at a University and for the most part stay out of the politics. I was left baffled by the slogan "Diversity is Strength" That was plastered all over the campus a couple of years ago. What does it mean?

reply to post by nh_ee


Exactly. Because if you're educated, you're not going to be so easily fooled by the political rhetoric that is being spouted by elitist agendas. If they can dissuade people from educating themselves, that means there are less people to present a dissenting voice to their actions.

Keep em stupid if not, barefoot and pregnant.

Originally posted by Wildbob77
It used to be that the purpose of an education was to help you develop the skills to think critically.

Politics didn't enter the classroom unless it was a course about politics.

If an issue was being discussed then multiple sides of the issue were presented and discussed. One wouldn't have been able to figure out the professors political view point if the material covered was done correctly.

Now we have a new trend. Should Universities weigh race and ethnicity in deciding whom to hire for their science departments? Article

Is there a lack of intellectual diversity on our campuses? " As early as 1991, Yale President Benno Schmidt warned that "The most serious problems of freedom of expression in our society today exist on campuses. The assumption seems to be that the purpose of education is to induce correct opinion rather than to search for wisdom and liberate the mind."

Should colleges be reeducation centers? At the University of Alabama, the College of Education explains that it is "committed to preparing individuals to promote social justice, to be change agents, and to recognize individual and institutionalized racism, sexism, homophobia, and classism."

Political litmus tests for future teachers? Blocked this time

I work at a University and for the most part stay out of the politics. I was left baffled by the slogan "Diversity is Strength" That was plastered all over the campus a couple of years ago. What does it mean?

So, would you rather us not have diversity??? And, what is it that you suggest would make things better?

Originally posted by concernedcitizan
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

Are we confident enough to admit what we lack ability to excel in? If most kids aren't smart enough to get ahead at college/university, let them harvest their actual talents instead. We don't need an army of academics; we need people to do what they do best in society.

We need to end this bitter drama about how we can all be superstars in every field. Accept who you are, embrace what you can become, be the best you can be. It's that simple.

I definitely agree with your statement about letting people hone their own talents. However, I don't agree with taking education away from those who excel in academics.

Originally posted by endisnighe
Wow, 9 pages of left leaning loonies not even watching the video and say Faux news called for eliminating higher education, JJJJEEEEEZZZ.

Everyone on this thread that does not understand anything about higher edumacation's BLATANT misrepresentation of socialist ideals are IGNORANT to the extreme.

NONE of you understand the implication of what the stated STUDY shows.

I am utterly flabbergasted by the idiocy proven in this thread.

So, IN WHAT world does the government and elitist's UTOPIAN ideals actually exist? Socialism on small scale can work. Socialism in large scale efforts BECOMES STALIN AND MAO.

Maybe ALL of you should read about THE REAL SOCIALISTS that you have as YOUR HEROES!

How did you come to this conclusion per se??? The "stated study" only benefits those with right leaning tendencies. I find it amazing that Fox News was the only station who delivered this information, as no one else would consider this information reputable enough to broadcast to millions of people. I personally see this as an agenda, especially considering the idea that the same types of people who believe this crap are the same that run the tea parties and believe in burning books from Universities.

If you think that we are all liberal and left leaning, what purpose do you have for being here? You could have just as easily went to a thread that caters to your own slanted beliefs. Personally, I think that anyone with a brain would stand behind Higher Education regardless of their political affiliation. However, it appears that I am mistaken.

By the way I have no heroes. How about you?

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reply to post by pumpkinorange

"In the social sciences, 24 percent of professors identified themselves as liberal "radicals" and 18 percent as Marxists. Only 4.9 percent of social scientists identified themselves as "conservative."

18%? That's not that big a deal, as that leaves 82% who aren't Marxist. Also, why don't you supply a definition of "liberal radical", because it would seem that it is not the same as a Marxist radical. Overall, that's 42% that claims to be on the left of the spectrum. 51% is the majority, so I say so what? What's your big plan, to ban people on the left or self-professed Marxists from teaching? I love how you guys are always so ready to throw free speech down the pooper every time it works against. Sorry bub, Marx is here to stay! Buahaha!

Sorry, got a little carried away. I also call nonsense on your source, which you claim is

left-leaning

.

Holy cow, the American Enterprise Institute? Left Leaning? That's one of the most untrue statements I've read on this site. Let's look at their mission statement, shall we?

"to defend the principles and improve the institutions of American freedom and democratic capitalism—limited government, private enterprise, individual liberty and responsibility, vigilant and effective defense and foreign policies, political accountability, and open debate.

Well, that's the old mission statement. The new one is

The Institute's community of scholars is committed to expanding liberty, increasing individual opportunity, and strengthening free enterprise. AEI pursues these unchanging ideals through independent thinking, open debate, reasoned argument, and the highest standards of research and exposition. AEI's purpose is to serve leaders and the public through research and education on the most important issues of the day in the areas of economics, culture, politics, foreign affairs, and national defense. Without regard for political ideology, party, or prevailing fashion, AEI dedicates its work to improving society and government, toward the goal of a more prosperous, safer, and more democratic nation and world. AEI's work is addressed to government officials and legislators, teachers and students, business executives, professionals, journalists, and all citizens interested in a serious understanding of government policy, the economy, and important social and political developments.

AEI About

The AEI is one of the hotbeds of neoconservative ideologies in this country. From the BBC news:

On Tuesdays, the leading neo-conservative think tank, the American Enterprise Institute, holds its "black coffee morning", a relatively sumptuous breakfast and talks by key Iraqi exiles as well as luminaries like Richard Perle, a leading hawk who is close to Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Battle of the Washington think tanks

The "father of neoconservatism", Irving Kristol, is a fellow emeritus at the AEI. His son, another leading conservative Bill Kristol, founded the Project for the New American Century. Both the PNAC and the AEI are the architects behind the ideology of the George W. Bush administration. I'm not going to trust a word these clowns have said; they're largely at fault for what this country has become.

Come to think about it, the majority of my professors were conservative. What an odd anomaly.

If we compare the basic tenets of Political Correctness with classical Marxism the parallels are very obvious.

Care to demonstrate this for us, or should we just take the word from a magazine founded by a guy who wrote Why the Left Hates America: Exposing the Lies That Have Obscured Our Nation's Greatness, at face value? Sorry, maybe it's dirty rotten pinko commie bias, but somehow I feel he may also a tad bit biased in his analysis.

"Radical communists teaching in U.S. universities? Surely not. If you don’t believe it, perhaps you should attend the next Marxist Scholars Conference and take a tape player. The most recent of these gatherings, held at the University of California/Berkeley last November, drew 500 American professors and political activists to discuss how they could better disseminate their views into the mainstream of American thought. Their primary target, of course, is the university student."

Oh wow, a group of Marxists talking about influencing people into Marxism? How shocking... too bad they are still a minority!

The Forerunner, April, 2008

Ah, the The Forerunner.

The Forerunner (1981-1994) was a publication that emphasized reformation of society and biblical worldview. The monthly newspaper was published by Maranatha Campus Ministries from 1981 to 1989.

The Forerunner was founded by Bob Weiner and Rose Weiner and Maranatha Campus Ministries in 1981. It was conceived as a publication which would reach young people with the message of the Christian faith and especially conservativism as a counterpoint to liberalism. The method was calculated: to influence the thinking of students with biblical principles through the distribution of newspapers on the university campuses of America.

By 1983, thirty-five conservative newspapers had been started on major secular campuses and the number doubled by 1985. Even at the University of California, Berkeley campus, which had long carried the reputation of being the most liberal of academic institutions in the U.S., students were following that trend: One survey proved that twice as many Berkeley students considered themselves conservative as did those in 1971. Today there are hundreds of conservative and Christian newspapers on otherwise liberal university campuses.

The Forerunner addressed issues which were at the center of campus debate. The newspaper presented biblical alternatives to Marxism, feminism and welfare statism. The Forerunner challenged the student audience to re-evaluate the liberal bias taught in the classroom

Man, if only these Marxists were doing a better job. Then we wouldn't have guys like Obama in the White House putting a liberal face on neo-conservatism. We'd have some real agents of change!


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