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Originally posted by GArnold
In case you had not figured it out the NSA most likely does monitor foreigners and has the GCHQ monitor Americans. That is the way it has been working since WW2.. It allows them to follow the basic letter of the law.
For one, it hasn't been established beyond a reasonable doubt that the NSA is not watching ATS. And as far as conspirators are concerned, anyone, and I mean anyone can have the appropriate storyline, rationale, mind control applied to them to have them do anything the controllers want. And I might add, that due to the covertness and depth the real controllers are at, no one can be trusted. You doubt me? Ask JFK.
Originally posted by aquamarine
reply to post by ProfEmeritus
If true, I would guess they are looking for certain posters who always show up on forums to spew hateful words about anything and anyone.
But what does that say about ATS as a 'conspiracy' forum - if the NSA is not watching this site - doesn't it say that attitudes for what is discussed here and the type of people who are here are not capable of being 'conspirators'?
reply to post by freedomataprice
As much as I like the idea of knowing I am being watched I think I will uninstall this app do to the annoying interruption.
Originally posted by GArnold
reply to post by defcon5
Exactly right. Snowdens leaks have alluded to a group of between 5-7 partners that are involved in this whole surveillance fiasco. I forget the exact Countries but think it is US, UK, Germany, Austrailia, and Canada. Don't quote me on this... But it is fairly well known that since most of these Countries have restrictions on spying on its own citizens that they more or less subcontract the work out to another trusted spy agency. I am sure for example GCHQ uses tools similar or exact duplicates of Prism/Boundless Informant/XKeyscore. And your right that during the rendition program when we kidnapped people in the dead of night we flew them to Countries such as Egypt or Romania where the law does not exactly work the same as it does supposedly here.edit on 3-8-2013 by GArnold because: (no reason given)
For other uses, see Echelon (disambiguation). National Security Agency surveillance Map of global NSA data collection Programs Pre-2001– ECHELON Main Core 2001– President's Surveillance Program NSA warrantless surveillance Terrorist Surveillance Program STELLARWIND Turbulence PINWALE (NSA internet database) MAINWAY (NSA call database) Room 641A 2007– PRISM Boundless Informant X-Keyscore Dropmire Fairview Surveillance Detection Unit GCHQ collaboration – IMP Tempora Mastering the Internet Global Telecoms Exploitation Discontinued – Trailblazer Project ThinThread Legislation Protect America Act of 2007 FISA Amendments Act of 2008 • Patriot Act Institutions FISC • Senate Intelligence Committee Lawsuits ACLU v. NSA • Hepting v. AT&T • Jewel v. NSA • Clapper v. Amnesty Whistleblowers William Binney • Thomas Drake • Mark Klein • Edward Snowden • Thomas Tamm • Russ Tice Publication 2001-2007 • 2013 Related Cablegate • Surveillance of reporters • Mail tracking • UN diplomatic spying • Insider Threat Program Concepts SIGINT • Metadata Collaboration United States CSS • CYBERCOM DOJ • FBI • CIA DHS • IAO Five Eyes CSEC • GCHQ DSD • GCSB Other DGSE • BND v t e A radome at RAF Menwith Hill, a site with satellite downlink capabilities believed to be used by ECHELON. RAF Menwith Hill Misawa Air Base Security Operations Center (MSOC)
ECHELON is a name used in global media and in popular culture to describe a signals intelligence (SIGINT) collection and analysis network operated on behalf of the five signatory states to the UKUSA Security Agreement (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States, referred to by a number of abbreviations, including AUSCANNZUKUS and Five Eyes). It has also been described as the only software system which controls the download and dissemination of the intercept of commercial satellite trunk communications. ECHELON, according to information in the European Parliament document, "On the existence of a global system for the interception of private and commercial communications (ECHELON interception system)" was created to monitor the military and diplomatic communications of the Soviet Union and its Eastern Bloc allies during the Cold War in the early 1960s. The system has been reported in a number of public sources. Its capabilities and political implications were investigated by a committee of the European Parliament during 2000 and 2001 with a report published in 2001, and by author James Bamford in his books on the National Security Agency of the United States. The European Parliament stated in its report that the term ECHELON is used in a number of contexts, but that the evidence presented indicates that it was the name for a signals intelligence collection system. The report concludes that, on the basis of information presented, ECHELON was capable of interception and content inspection of telephone calls, fax, e-mail and other data traffic globally through the interception of communication bearers including satellite transmission, public switched telephone networks (which once carried most Internet traffic) and microwave links. Bamford describes the system as the software controlling the collection and distribution of civilian telecommunications traffic conveyed using communication satellites, with the collection being undertaken by ground stations located in the footprint of the downlink leg.
reply to post by Erongaricuaro
If ATS were exclusively for 10 year-olds this would be the site where general consensus would be insisting Santa Claus is real and maybe the Easter Bunny too, though the Tooth Fairy appears to be a highly questionable parental conspiracy. We would be priding ourselves for having exposed The Great Pumpkin as a hoax story invented by cartoonist Charles Schulz and touting that as our great achievement toward exposing The Truth.