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She seems to associate everything negative as "black culture" and everything good as "white culture"... which is why i think her perspective is skewered.... im not black but i see more potential in black community than her..
Originally posted by luciddream
Its like i said, OP is a platform for people who sees other as inferior to voice a comment but keeping it as subtle as possible so it does not sound bad
Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by supremecommander
The day that I was told that because of the fact that I used proper English I was "talking white"
I've never understood this. History is full of very eloquent black people that have done far more for black people than the ones crying Uncle Tom.
It seems so very backwards to think that speaking well is only for whites. To me it seems like telling a woman that because she's good at math she's a sell out to the patriarchy. Utter nonsense.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Willtell
Originally posted by Willtell
Reading this op, I knew it would be praised (this is a good black person according to some) but it is a delusional view!
I agree. The OP doesn't realize that by taking the position she's taking, and saying the stuff she's saying, she's gaining the praise of a bunch of white people who think she's "one of the good black people"... It's really sad and kind of sickening to me. I wasn't going to post here, but I read over the replies and see that I'm not the only one who picked up on this.
Is there a "black community"? What does that even mean? I'm so confused and saddened about this thread, I think I'll just leave my thoughts and move along...
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
The OP doesn't realize that by taking the position she's taking, and saying the stuff she's saying, she's gaining the praise of a bunch of white people who think she's "one of the good black people"...
WOW that's an outrageous assessment, and insulting to BC.
Maybe you don't like the fact we are opening the lines of communication.
Good answer. I forgot in my previous post to mention that those whites with the White Angel Syndrome also like to dictate to blacks how they should think. Kind of racist don't you think? By those who claim NOT to be racist?
edit on 013131p://bMonday2013 by Stormdancer777 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ButterCookie
As a black woman, I have faced ostracism from the black community for several reasons, most recently because I supported George Zimmerman in Martin/ Zimmerman Case. I began this thread to discuss my issues on this topic and to allow others to ask questions, or share their stories in this struggle with me...
I guess it began childhood. I was born in the South (Memphis) but grew up in the state of Kansas, where the population was 60% white, 20% Native American, and 10% Black, Hispanic and Asian. All my friends were white and Native American, and as children, we embraced the beauty of our different races; it was only when my family moved back to Memphis where racism reared its ugly head. I remember going to the playground and seeing white girls jump roping (for example), and I would stand in line to jump in, and was warmly welcomed. The black girls would pull me to the side afterwards and say,
"Ummm..why were you playing with them?" I would be confused and say, "Because we all wanted to jump rope."
"But they are WHITE."
"Ummm yes. I know that. What's the issue?"
They never had an answer, just stared at me in shock, because I was 'different'.
Later in life, I decided to continue my education. This was shone by lots of members of my family, as I was told I was being "white", and that my pursuit to practice Law afterwards was me being "too good" to work at a 'regular job',
A few years ago, I quit wearing my hair in perm and I now wear it naturally in a beautiful Afro. Of course this was way outside the 'box' for lots of black women in the south, because I was no longer conforming like the 'crowd', wearing perms and weaves.
As a English and Political Science major, I learned a lot about history, politics, and social issues, and have quit voting Democratic (a different thread exists on this). This was another 'blow' to the black community as they saw it, as I was being 'white' for not praising President Obama.
Lastly, I came out of the non-religious 'closet'. Fortunately as a child, I was never fully indoctrinated, but pretended to believe like everyone else...
And now, as a result of the Zimmerman trial, my peers and family have always been aware that I supported George Zimmerman (based on the facts of the case) and today came the backlash and attacks on me. Not physically, but very cruel verbal remarks have been texted to me all day. Mainly from my father...
He and I have always been very close. We both left the religious closet together, but lately I had been seeing that the pressure to rejoin the herd has gotten to him. He now verbally attacks me and says, "You need to come back to the 'black side' and "you're crazy" because I hold firm to independent ways and beliefs. Today after he attacked me for being happy about the Zimmerman verdict, I tried to change the subject by saying, "we should go see a movie, Dad. Pacific Rim is out and it looks good."
He responded, "I don't hang out with Uncle Toms."
The majority of ANY racism I have ever experienced as a black woman have come form other black people. Why are we like this?
We have conceded to life-long victim-hood, and excuse making, shifting the blame on others, especially other races and I hate it.
The number one excuse for our violent behavior, low education, or high poverty rate from the Black Community is "SLAVERY"
It is absolutely absurd.
1. How do we think black slaves came to America? Do we think that Europeans just waltzed onto the African shoreline and grabbed slaves? No. African Kings and Queens SOLD their subjects into slavery.
2. Why do we think the entire Civil Rights movement was about our skin color? It was MOSTLY about white private business owners mad at the GOVERNMENT, not blacks, for forcing them to turn their private businesses into public ones.
and most importantly,
If slavery is the answer to all of the black community's problems, then why can't we trace these behaviors and issues all the way to the Reconstruction Era? Seems like those problems would be detected to the generations much closer to slavery, rather than just popping up in this era.
Excuses...
Anyway, didn't mean to be long-winded. Just wanted to see some your comments and see if anyone else can relate.edit on 14-7-2013 by ButterCookie because: (no reason given)
i was mainly referring to her perspective of what is good and what is bad.... especially on the comment she made about "regular jobs" is preferred by blacks.
Later in life, I decided to continue my education. This was shone by lots of members of my family, as I was told I was being "white", and that my pursuit to practice Law afterwards was me being "too good" to work at a 'regular job',
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Again, it comes down to CULTURE.
Originally posted by ButterCookie
Here's the thing: lots of black people seriously do not consider their racial remarks to be racist, and I don't know where this insanity came from.
We all saw it during the trial with the witness Rachel Jeantel,
but today I saw it with my father. He said 'Those (white racial slur) are gonna get what's coming to them!"
I said, "Dad, why are you being so racist?" He literally did not see that he had something offensive, and had wondered why I was 'taking up for white people'.
true insanity
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by supremecommander
The day that I was told that because of the fact that I used proper English I was "talking white"
I've never understood this. History is full of very eloquent black people that have done far more for black people than the ones crying Uncle Tom.
It seems so very backwards to think that speaking well is only for whites. To me it seems like telling a woman that because she's good at math she's a sell out to the patriarchy. Utter nonsense.
Again, it comes down to CULTURE.
Originally posted by Tw0Sides
This whole thread has taken a Hilarious Twist.
So many People are Praising the Op, a Black Women, for Basically Giving them Permission to be Racist, Because Blacks are Racist Too.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Shouldn't we treat fellow ATS members with the benefit of the doubt ????
How do we know you aren't subtly hiding your desire to put all whites in the oven?
Originally posted by ButterCookie
The majority of the attacks on me toward was the discussion of slavery, or the little that they knew about it.
I briefly mentioned slavery in the OP and it is truly ridiculous to me how blacks today feel that their 'issues' are directly related to slavery.
No one today was alive during that period, so there is no direct correlation to anyone black nor white with it. And no white person owes any apology to any black person for slavery.
This is also something that is absurd to me, which is why I don't understand white guilt.