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Originally posted by stargatetravels
Originally posted by TritonTaranis
It is fantastic news for Russia & China i agree
Successfully recruiting a NSA Worker to sell them secrets
Successfully creating some more good ole Anti West propaganda for turning the public against there governments
Chinese hackers are probably having a beer right now while trawling over more military programs to copy
Uh huh, you keep listening to fox news ok? You keep believing that you're living in cold war USA in the 60's.
This guy did the right thing, nothing you can say will change that.
Originally posted by NickDC202
reply to post by introV
I'd almost hope that this flight is a red herring and he is on a completely different flight to another location.
Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by FurvusRexCaeli
My only response to your post is laughter but what really makes me giggle is you thinking that the NDAA of 2012 doesn't exist and or gives the USG the power to indefinitely detain Americans. Not only did it give them the power but a NY federal judge even ruled it unconstitutional and did her best to block the act but unfortunately Obama's lawyers found another federal judge to overrule her.
any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided
the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001,
or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported
al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged
in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners,
including any person who has committed a belligerent act or
has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy
"A Congressional conference committee tasked with merging the House and Senate versions of the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) [color=#5CB3FF]decided on December 18, 2012 to drop the Feinstein-Lee provision, which would have explicitly barred the military from holding American citizens and permanent residents in indefinite detention without trial as terrorism suspects. There was no reason given for this."
Originally posted by itssomethingyoudid
I'll admit that the more I read the arguments on this thread, the more I doubt that we will ever find truth. Why? Because it seems that we are not to trust or believe anyone or anything. No matter which way we turn, we are being told that we are foolish for turning that way.
For what it's worth, I don't at all blame Snowden for getting out of this country. It's funny to me that people posting under false names criticize someone who drops his cover of secrecy, reveals himself to the world, and puts his life on the line in order to right a wrong. He wouldn't have been able to do that had he stayed. And to expect another human being to face their own mortality for no other reason than to prove something to you, is way easier said than done.
And Snowden signed a non disclosure agreement. He broke his oath just as Manning did.
Originally posted by Archie
It's really quite simple.
Snowden let the private citizens of the world know their private information is being collected illegally. This is an affront to the dignity of private citizens and an abuse of human rights. The fact the US government farms out these duties to contractors such as Booz Allen Hamilton adds to this affront.
Dragnet surveillance is an affront and an indignity because it views all citizens as potential criminals waiting to strike. People aren't born guilty and they shouldn't be treated as if they are.
Snowden leaked to hand-picked journalists who he knew he could trust to ensure you were aware of the actions of these governments. He leaked the information he has (1) because it was the right thing to do and, (2) with the aim of provoking as much international outrage as possible. This is what activists do to bring attention to their causes. In this case, it is what is keeping Snowden safe. He is relying on it.
This is why we all sat for three hours in front of computer watching a plane-shaped blip on a screen crawl slowly across a map last night (my time). To keep Snowden safe. This is why we are talking about it now. To keep Snowden safe. This is why Glenn Greenwald and the Washington Post keeps publishing leaks. It is also why a lot of newspapers have been told NOT to publish.
Such attention prevents Obama and friends from taking rash action. As long as enough people make it known that they're watching nothing will happen to Snowden.
If he had stayed in the US and gone to his superiors, the story would never have seen the light of day and he would have disappeared into a black hole, achieving nothing. If he'd stayed in the US, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. The fact we are is a testament to his courage and strength of conscience.
He is not selling secrets to anybody. He is informing people. And if you think the Russian and Chinese governments didn't already know the US was hacking them, you have rocks in your head. The only people that didn't know were the citizens and they are the ones being harmed.
Snowden's leaks were for the benefit of the private citizens of the world, regardless of the country, politics, colour or religion. We all have the same fight. He has given up his life, essentially, to do this. He is a hero.
And TPTB hate him for it.edit on 23-6-2013 by Archie because: .
Originally posted by VirusGuard
Russia Today just ran a poll on Snowdon about the NSA spying on people and 74% were outraged but a whopping 16% feared to pass a vote due to being spied on.
Why are heads not rolling or have we all turned into cowards ?
Ghostery for Firefox helps to reduce your footprint and you should all be thinking about using HTTPS for email services, not that it's really or as safe as TPTB want you to think it is, ISP's keep the keys and can do man-in-the middle spying even on HTTPS traffic but it's better than nothing if your not using a VPN already.