For those who think it is irresponsible not to get vaccinated

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posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 06:52 AM
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I feel your frustration OP!

My kids have to be vaccinated for school and it gives me the heebie jeebies every single time.

Now on the News last night I hear there was a steroid shot containing Meningitis and at least three so far this month have died in Tennessee because of it.

If the government EVER wanted to control the population how easy would it be to do it through vaccines?

Before I go, I also want to add that I have only gotten the flu once and thats when I was 17.

I have NEVER gotten a flu shot and never will.




posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 07:42 AM
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Logged in to flag this. I support intelligent threads, and everyone should.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 08:12 AM
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My mother was a nurse in the late 60's - late 90's and even back in the 60's she was wary about vaccines. It's purely anectdotal evidence but she's seen perfectly healthy children become autistic or develop complications after vacinations. None of her 7 children had vaccinations and all are healthy. Admitedly i did catch measles, whooping cough and a few other nasty ones but thanks to good care never had any long term problems. I had a nephew get imunised and he had problems starting a few days after his injections, still has problems today.

I really feel for parents today, it's a real issue whether to get their children imunised or not. So much conflicting evidence and no real way of telling what the real story is. We're given this myth that modern medicine is some kind of fantastic high tech miracle but the reality is a bit more like a casino, sometimes ya win, other times you get thown out by angry bouncers and given a good kicking in an alley. Hardest part is figuring out the odds.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 08:27 AM
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Your misinformed, the polio outbreaks, and their subsequent "cure" are one in the same, tonsils, they used to remove childrens tonsils all the time at the drop of a hat, this is what caused the polio outbreak, as the tonsils is the organ that produces the bodies immune response to the disease, the cure came in the fact they stopped removing them unless necessary, not vaccination.

So you see the "cure" wasn't even warranted, all that was necessary was to not remove the bodies ability to fight the disease in the first place "tonsil removal".



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 08:28 AM
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i am new here so i could not start a new thread but i found this one about vaccinations and it will have to do. many years ago i was at school in England and i got vaccinated (BCG) Later on that year i moved to Scotland where they gave out the BCG vaccinations later on in the year. i tried telling them that i had already had the '5 needle' test, it had come up as me needing the vaccination and i had had it. understandably they did not believe me so they gave me the 'five-needle' test again and bizarrely it came up as me needing to be vaccinated. how is this bizarre you may wonder? well, i think it is wierd that the first 'vaccination' did not work. has anyone else encountered anything similar to this? i would really like to know what they had in that first needle.
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posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 08:44 AM
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SNOPES is NOT a RELIABLE SOURCE .... SORRY !

It's like saying Wal-Mart is the ONLY Store you can shop at. That's NOT TRUE either !



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 08:44 AM
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reply to post by thebtheb
 


Why should health insurance cover the cost of treatment for a disease incurred after the vaccine for that disease was refused? Have you factored that into your decision?



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 08:52 AM
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is nobody interested in my last post?! back in the late 80's i was given a 'vaccination' which was not even a vaccination. Does that concern no-one?
fine
i'm not raising any of the 'next generation' anyway so why should i care
edit on 6-10-2012 by sweetooth because: i am dyselxic



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 08:54 AM
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reply to post by luciddream
 


The is no evidence that the vaccines alone are saving lives. Chicken pox gone?. Seriously?..

A quote below shows that live vaccines have and are being used and are causing issues


Text There is alot of information that WHO andCDC officials have not shared with the public about what forcing worldwide use of a live oral polio for 40 years has done. The Sabin live polio vaccine - whichis the public health community's main claim to fame and fortune in the 20th century - may not only have unleashed the most feared autoimmune disorder to plague man in two centuries ( www.lrb.co.uk... ) as well as caused increases in brain, bone and lung cancers ( jnci.oxfordjournals.org...) but also has created mutant paralytic viruses that could cripple many more humans than would have been crippled if the live virus polio vaccine had never beenused at all.

The US abandoned the Sabin live polio vaccine in 1999 and switched to the inactivated Salk vaccine that cannot cause vaccine strain polio. So why are billions of dollars being spent to pour the risky live virus polio vaccine into the mouths of the poorest babies in the most underprivileged countries in the world where sanitation and water supplies are already compromised?

The worst part of this deception is that WHO and CDC spin doctors are trying to convince parents in Africa, Indiaand elsewhere that it is the "unvaccinated" who are causing vaccine strain polio outbreaks even though many of these children are getting 9or 10 polio vaccinations vaccineawakening.blogspot.com... Although public health officials are trying to blame polio outbreaks on the 'unvaccinated," the medical literature documents that assertion to be false.



The spread of polio is also preventable through better hygiene and good clean water and improved diets. Its spread via the oral/ feces route. Has the world seen improvements in this area?. Without a doubt!

Regards



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 09:09 AM
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my .02

if you don't want a vaccination, you should not be forced to get one

however

your children need to be homeschooled, and your insurance company is off the hook for paying any claims related to a disease that could have been prevented

all decisions have consequences, and I don't want your children exposing other children, and I don't want to pay your bills



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by pryingopen3rdeye
reply to post by Ex_CT2
 


it is YOUR OWN right to decide what is injected into your body, for people to criticize that decision is not PRO rights,

those who support forced vaccinations would certainly get some perspective if and when someone wants to forcibly inject them with something they dont want, hence the point of such rights



Totally agree here. Hard to tell which side of this debate the real conspiracy is on.
To shoot up or not to shoot up?
Remember when the world was pandemic?
Maybe we should go back to the good old days of the plague?



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by flashtrum
reply to post by thebtheb
 


There is a Whooping cough outbreak in the United States directly attributed to the lack of people getting vaccinated against it. ....

Allowing the viruses that cause these outbreaks back into a general population also allows them to mutate, which renders the vaccine useless. We should have NEVER tried to fix what was not broken.


Firstly, Whooping Cough or pertussis is not a virus. Therefore it is not a situation of a "virus mutating". Whooping Cough aka pertussis is caused by bacteria.



Whooping Cough: Bordetella pertussis - Wikipedia

There does not appear to be a zoonotic reservoir for B. pertussis—humans are its only host.

The bacterium is spread by airborne droplets; its incubation period is seven to 14 days.


A vaccine for a virus is different than a vaccine for bacteria. With a vaccine for a virus, a dead or weakened form of the virus is injected into a person to build up immunity. Therefore, theoretically, if the person comes into contact with the full-strength live-version of the virus, they will already be immune to it.

With a bacteria vaccination, it is a temporary fix. The human body builds up immunity to the bacteria for a timeframe and then as time goes on, they can get sick again from the bacteria.



Whooping Cough Statistics

During the 6-year period from 1940 through 1945, more than 1 million cases of whooping cough were reported, an average of 175,000 cases per year (incidence of approximately 150 cases per 100,000 population). Following the introduction of the pertussis vaccine in the 1940s, the incidence of whooping cough gradually declined, reaching 15,000 reported cases in 1960 (approximately 8 per 100,000 population). By 1970, the annual incidence was fewer than 5,000 cases per year, and during 1980-1990, an average of 2,900 cases per year were reported (about 1 per 100,000 population).

from eMedTV: Whooping Cough Statistics


Whooping cough decreased significantly since the introduction of the vaccine, but clearly something went wrong during the 1990s vaccine batches. And personally I think the vaccines have declined in quality. By about 2008, the CDC began urging that suddenly everyone get vaccinated for pertussis every 10 years. That wasn't the case for the 1940s-1980s batches of pertussis vaccine.

Then the quality of the pertussis vaccine got even worse during the decade 2000-2010. Suddenly around 2011, getting vaccinated every 10 years was no longer good enough. Studies began saying that the vaccine was only good for 3 years.



Study: Whooping Cough Vaccine Fades In 3 Years

Monday, September 19, 2011
By MIKE STOBBE, AP

The vaccine against whooping cough falters after only about three years, a preliminary study suggests, adding support to school rules requiring kids to get the vaccination periodically.


So I really fail to see how it's allegedly those who haven't been vaccinated causing the spread of the bacteria. It's more like the pharmaceutical companies keep putting out a vaccine that's of poorer and poorer quality, forcing everyone to give them more money every 3 years for a crappy vaccine.

Maybe everyone should demand their doctors to pull old batches of the vaccine out to use. Looks like the best pertussis vaccines were sold from the 1940s-1989. But if you got a 1990s batch, then you have to re-vaccinate every decade. If you got a 2000s batch, you now have to vaccinate every 3 years.

Perhaps if everyone with whooping cough sneezed on the doorsteps of some of these pharmaceutical companies, they'd learn to put out a better quality vaccine again.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by sweetooth
is nobody interested in my last post?! back in the late 80's i was given a 'vaccination' which was not even a vaccination. Does that concern no-one?
fine
i'm not raising any of the 'next generation' anyway so why should i care
edit on 6-10-2012 by sweetooth because: i am dyselxic


Glad you are fine. There's a lot of people on here. Be patient and someone may reply specifically to you. I think the doctors must have felt it would do you more harm in the long run to miss a vaccination than it would to be vaccinated twice. I got a tetanus shot recently although I am pretty sure I had one within the past 10 years but rather than take a chance on tetanus, which can be devastating I got shot up again. Still here.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 09:19 AM
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Ha ha ha ha ha

If other kids are vaccinated where is the worry?????? What a statement to make.
Only the unvaccinated should be able to catch anything. As for paying well are parents going to get money back from parents with autism and other illnesses that drain finances

Rediculous



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 09:21 AM
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If Vaccines were safe the Federal Government wouldn't have given vaccine makers 100% immunity.

You can't sue them. You have to file a claim with the US Dept of Justice "Vaccine Court". Which is a sham.


I have friends who died from squalene in vaccinations. Horrible painful deaths. I have friends who got MS from the Hep B vaccine.

Hitlers Medical......poisoning people and calling it "medicine".



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by thebtheb
 


base composition keeps changing


Not to be nitpciky but, to be nitpicky. I just want to clear up that the base of flu shots has ben eggwhites for many years. (This is why if you are allergic they give you the child vacine which is the nose spray, of course I am refering to the flu shot here.) The composition and different flu's change yearly but, the base is always eggwhites.

I want to add that though the virus that is injected is dead the immune's response to the virus are your own antibodies so the response can be so close to the real thing that the slightest exposure to any virus could make someone who spends time with you ill. Odd thing is they get really sick and you do not because it is your body’s immune system.

To clarify, you do not pass a virus on but, unintentionally may lower someone else’s immune system leaving them vulnerable to whatever is out there.

This is what I have learned over the years of flu shots. Just my own opinions. No back up, and I do not think you would find one. If you do please post.

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posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by pryingopen3rdeye
reply to post by Ex_CT2
 


it is YOUR OWN right to decide what is injected into your body, for people to criticize that decision is not PRO rights,

those who support forced vaccinations would certainly get some perspective if and when someone wants to forcibly inject them with something they dont want, hence the point of such rights


i agree...but...and this is a BIG BUT.....if you have an infectous communicable disease, i insist that you be quarentined by the government. you can get sick and die, i don't really care, it's your decision, but if you are out in the public where you can hurt me or my family...to hell with you



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by yorkshirelad

Originally posted by votan
reply to post by thebtheb
 


flu shot.... the flu won't kill me unless i am very old or a very weak infant..... yet they want me to take a flu shot full of heavy metals... to possibly prevent me from getting a non lethal infection..

thanks but no thanks..


Oh dear, the ignorance. The bird flu outbreak a couple of years back was killing healthy people why ? The answer is that the immune system of these healthy people went into "overdrive" (we can go into in-depth descriptions about T-cells etc but i suspect given the low intelligence of this whole thread it will be way way way over folks heads). Anyhow the immune system went into "overdrive" and basically killed the individual. So if you think you are very healthy and you get bird flu you are MORE likely to die.

This whole thread is great, Darwinism at its best. I look on the bright side and see a more healthy human population once all the paranoid anti-vaccine people die. Shame about their kids having no choice in the matter though.

Just in-case there are some folks who are being led , remember it only takes one case to make a headline and be used as evidence by morons of absolutely anything. It takes thousands of cases to make an assessment of effectiveness. This is a thread of one-off headlines.............


Wow - actually what YOU are saying is a one off headline, and is the true ignorance. I'm not trying to say that in a mean way, but it's what I feel. Immune overdrive happens yes, but it is not what happened with bird flu whatsoever. Bird flu was simply a very dangerous and serious flu, like SARS. It had nothing to do with immune overdrive whatsoever and neither did SARS. They were just two very virulent viruses.

We are not talking about "just one case" to make a headline. I think most of us are talking about LOTS of cases that the mainstream media constantly ignores. And the post which you are replying to, to me anyway, makes total sense. Getting an injection for the average flu every year that kills hardly anyone. Getting a shot for it every single year, a shot that by doctors' own admission may or may not be relevant to that year's flu, getting a shot every year against something that most people easily survive seems ridiculous to me too.

Now if SARS or Bird flu were ravaging the planet, I would have a much more open attitude about people wanting to get vaccinated against it.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by newcovenant

Originally posted by sweetooth
is nobody interested in my last post?! back in the late 80's i was given a 'vaccination' which was not even a vaccination. Does that concern no-one?
fine
i'm not raising any of the 'next generation' anyway so why should i care
edit on 6-10-2012 by sweetooth because: i am dyselxic


Glad you are fine. There's a lot of people on here. Be patient and someone may reply specifically to you. I think the doctors must have felt it would do you more harm in the long run to miss a vaccination than it would to be vaccinated twice. I got a tetanus shot recently although I am pretty sure I had one within the past 10 years but rather than take a chance on tetanus, which can be devastating I got shot up again. Still here.


btw, thanks for my first ever reply to a comment i put up. that was pretty cool so thanks. however, it wasn't a case 'lets just give him another one'. the test to find out if i needed one came up as me needing one despite the fact that i had already had one. so the original 'vaccination' did not work. which makes me wonder what they gave me. if i hadn't moved north to scotland later on in the year would i have come down with the black death?! probably not so what was in the thing?



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 09:38 AM
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I agree with you. My 18 month old son just got his immunization shots (4 total) and within a couple of days he got sick. He developed a fever, cough and a loss of appetite. The fever persisted for 1 week before we took him back to the emergency room at 1 am in the morning. We told the physician we suspected he got ill due to all the shots. After all, he is a healthy child and has never been sick before in his life. The doctor (as suspected) brushed it off and said there was no way he could have gotten sick from the shots. I was going to argue we suspected his immune system was compromised due to the viruses injected into his system but thought better of it. After all, we were not familiar with that doctor but at the same time, we expected that answer.

It has now been 2 weeks since we were at the emergency room and while his fever is gone, he still has a slight cough. His sister, who is 10 years old, is now sick with a cough. She had to go to the doctor, who said it was bronchitis. So yeah, I can see the correlation of viruses being introduced into virgin systems and propagating into other hosts.

If there was a way to avoid having my children not take shots and still be able to go to college without all the hassle of taking shots then, then I need to know about it.





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