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Originally posted by luciddream
Originally posted by drevill
If people read what was in them they wouldn,t touch them. Not one piece of 100% proof they have saved lives as they can also be attributed to improved hygiene and pharmacuticles. Not only that what are these people worrying about? They shouldn't be able to catch anything according from anyone.
No 100% proof they saved life? find me someone with polio? chicken pox? oh right! they magically disappeared.
I know whats in them.. thy don;t have full active viruses, they have dead virus in them. Reason you get "slightly sick" is because you body does not care if its dead or not, it activates 100% defense and attack the vaccine as a full blown threat, thus creating anti-bodies for the actual virus you may get.
edit: should note that you should not get all the vaccine they give you, esp like HPV vaccine, a healthy person who is not promiscuous should not need to worry about that. Get vaccines that are developed long ago and known to treat and eradicate the virus from human populations, like Polio, chicken pox etc. Most of you are alive and healthy and have all your limbs is because you received the DTPP vaccine shot as a baby.
Source: i am a microbiologist, if not, Centre for Disease Controledit on 10/5/2012 by luciddream because: (no reason given)edit on 10/5/2012 by luciddream because: (no reason given)edit on 10/5/2012 by luciddream because: (no reason given)
After many years of development, it was licensed in the United States in 1995.
FL - April 2012 -- According to recent reports in The Gainesville Sun, there is a chickenpox outbreak in Florida that has recently spread to five different schools. Currently, the outbreak involves 65 cases in which 26 children were infected from the Bhaktivedanta Academy, 25 children from the Alachua Learning Center, one child in a public school and 13 others — four adults, eight children and one infant.
Alaska - 4 days ago -- An above-average number of reported cases of chickenpox, varicella by its scientific name, have worried state public health officials enough that they sent out a statewide alert Friday.
same source as above
The chickenpox vaccine is a [color=amber] live attenuated vaccine.
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In 2005, a combination vaccine containing live attenuated measles-mumps-rubella and varicella (MMRV) vaccine was licensed for use in people age 12 months through age 12 years.
The varicella vaccine is a live (attenuated) virus that protects against the viral disease commonly known as chickenpox caused by the varicella zoster virus (VZV).
PEARBLOSSOM, Calif., Sept. 1 /PRNewswire/ -- New research published in the International Journal of Toxicology (IJT) by Gary S. Goldman, Ph.D., reveals high rates of shingles (herpes zoster) in Americans since the government's 1995 recommendation that all children receive chicken pox vaccine.
Goldman's [color=amber]research supports that shingles, which results in three times as many deaths
and five times the number of hospitalizations as chicken pox, is suppressed naturally by occasional contact with chicken pox.
Originally posted by thebtheb
Originally posted by flashtrum
reply to post by thebtheb
There is a Whooping cough outbreak in the United States directly attributed to the lack of people getting vaccinated against it. Jenny McCarthy mislead a great deal of people coming out against vaccines and attempting to blame their usage on autism. While it is true that since the early 90's autism is on the rise, that was not the case in the 60's/70's and 80's when it was a given that you vaccinated your child.
Allowing the viruses that cause these outbreaks back into a general population also allows them to mutate, which renders the vaccine useless. We should have NEVER tried to fix what was not broken.
Whooping cough did not fully disappear. There have been outbreaks of almost everything throughout the decades that people have been getting vaccinated for including measles, whooping cough, etc. There is absolutely no proof whatsoever that the outbreak in the US is because of people not vaccinating, only a suggestion that remains unproven.
Yes, autism was not the case in the 60s,70s and 80s, and children still got vaccinated. And yes, autism did explode in the early 90s, just a couple of short years after childhood vaccinations more than tripled. In the 70s, there were so many vaccinations, really just a couple. By the early 90s, kids were receiving, 4, 5, 6 times the amount of vaccines they did just a decade earlier. So it would be very easy to make a case that the problems started directly after the new recommendations for so many more vaccinations.
And your last statement is true - we should NOT have tried to fix what was never broken. Giving all newborns a hepatitis B shot is one of the stupidest things they could do. Hepatitis B is gotten from: a blood transfusion, unprotected sex, intravenous drugs, or passed on from the birth mother. Exactly how many babies fall into those categories. And by the time they're 10, the antibodies are gone, so they have to have another one - so the first one is essentially useless.
Originally posted by AceWombat04
reply to post by dogstar23
I know this is anecdotal on my part, but I had a multi-dose vial last year and hoooly crud I felt awful. I've never felt that bad from a flu shot before, and as someone with asthma and who gets VERY ill from the flu (I can tell the difference between it and a cold, believe me) I get one every year. So I suspect there may be some truth in what you just said. I will ensure I'm getting single dose vials from now on.
Goldman's analysis in IJT indicates that effectiveness of the chickenpox vaccine itself is also dependent on natural boosting, [color=amber] so that as chickenpox declines, so does the effectiveness of the vaccine.
"The principal reason that vaccinees in Japan maintained high levels of immunity 20 years following vaccination was that only 1 in 5 (or 20%) of Japanese children were vaccinated," he said.
"So those vaccinated received immunologic boosting from contact with children with natural chickenpox. But the universal varicella vaccination program in the U.S. will nearly eradicate this natural boosting mechanism and will leave our population vulnerable to shingles epidemics."
Originally posted by daryllyn
[color=dodgerblue] We no longer receive vaccinations in this house.
I cannot prove a link, but after receiving a series of several vaccinations that were required for entering the nursing program at the school I was attending at the time, my health went downhill. After three years of being jerked around by doctors who would not listen, I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis.
Like I said, I can't prove a link, but, I was super healthy and rarely sick up to that point. I guess I will never know for sure either way. The only thing I do know for certain is that my life hasn't been the same since and my children will not be subjected to that garbage.edit on 5-10-2012 by daryllyn because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by saintinwaiting
I am not very pro-vaccine myself, and I'm not sure if anyone posted this comment before me - but that should only apply to "live" vaccines, of which there are only a small number. Most are not live. I know because I am a transplant patient and there are a couple that my children cannot have because I am on immunosuppressive meds for transplant and cannot be exposed to the live viruses - so yes, you are right, to a point.
luckily, only when we're together and that's not too often these days
As far as tracking you your phone is already doing that .
Originally posted by votan
reply to post by thebtheb
flu shot.... the flu won't kill me unless i am very old or a very weak infant..... yet they want me to take a flu shot full of heavy metals... to possibly prevent me from getting a non lethal infection..
thanks but no thanks..
The new results suggest that drugs aimed at the dangerous immune response may offer a life-saving new line of defense, by protecting infected hosts from themselves. Another bonus is that such an approach doesn’t put the same pressure on viruses to adapt and develop drug resistance.
The cytokines associated with flu infection were thought to come from virus-infected cells found primarily in the lungs and nasal passages. The authors find that the cytokines are instead released from the endothelial cells that line blood vessels. A protein found on the surface of endothelial cells, called Sphingosine-1-phosphate receptor (S1P1), is essential for flu-associated cytokine storms.
In mice treated with a molecule that targets S1P1, cytokine production and the early signs of inflammation are suppressed. As a result, the animals are much more likely to survive infection with H1N1 swine flu virus. Notably, several companies are already testing S1P1-targeted drugs in clinical trials, the researchers say.