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Australia offers NZ soldiers $250k to swap armies

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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by Dachende
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
 


Nice to see someone who has a clue, instead of taking wikipedia as gospel.

NZ and AUS governments are 100% seperate to the UK. We do not have to answer to them over policy changes, nor do we have to ask for their permission to change anything.

Both countries are 100% self governed.

This isn't so much a "poaching soldiers" case, as much as it is the Aus military trying to get a good "deal" by purchasing already trained soldiers.



Wrong, we do have to ask the Queen about government policy changes, HOWEVER, even if she disagrees with the policy changes she has no power to stop them from going ahead.

As for these foreign mercenaries, I want Australians fighting for Australia not Nzers. Ugh.




posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 09:30 PM
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Honestly, if it wasn't for the vast amounts of raw materials we export to China, we would be struggling.


Exactly. That is the point.

The price of steal is supply and demand. Its fair enough. We get what we can when we deal with them too.

China does not just need us for resources.

We are the end of the earth. If you have ever played Risk you will see that we are so important because of where we are located on the map. Us and New Zealand. If America did not have us as an ally, it would make taking on China so much harder.

China and Australia can dominate this part of the world together. We already do. A China/Australia alliance would have the Pacific sewn up. Japan, South Korea and the other US puppets would not stand a chance. And we could isolate them from America with ease.

China and the East is the future.
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by CrimsonKapital

Originally posted by Dachende
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
 


Nice to see someone who has a clue, instead of taking wikipedia as gospel.

NZ and AUS governments are 100% seperate to the UK. We do not have to answer to them over policy changes, nor do we have to ask for their permission to change anything.

Both countries are 100% self governed.

This isn't so much a "poaching soldiers" case, as much as it is the Aus military trying to get a good "deal" by purchasing already trained soldiers.



Wrong, we do have to ask the Queen about government policy changes,


No, actually you do not.

What you have to do is advise the Queen on legislative changes or anything else that requires her signature such as Orders in Council - and she (or the GG in her absence) has to take the advice of her ministers.

So that is 2 things wrong:

1/ it is advice, not a request, and
2/ it is for legislation, not policy.


HOWEVER, even if she disagrees with the policy changes she has no power to stop them from going ahead.


Indeed.


As for these foreign mercenaries, I want Australians fighting for Australia not Nzers. Ugh.


tough - with CER and no immigration restrictions from NZ you do not get the choice - any kiwi can emigrate to Aus & work without restriction, including joining the military.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 09:34 PM
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Check the complaints on China about the dumping of Steel on markets, including the US, undermining domestic markets. Since china controls the wages and labor laws, meaning cheap and non existent, they can afford to import massive amounts of resources, convert them, then resell them for a profit on foreign markets. Buying ore for 300 and selling steel for 850 still undercuts domestic markets because of the unfair playing field.

China, with its current policies, can easily corner most major markets, and if we look close we will see they already have. The Us is not the only "slave" to China, and think think we are the only ones is naive.
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
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they are usualy very neutral .. what changed their mind ?


The United States.

The United States have brought their wars to the West.

WW3 will likely see Australia attacked by our good friends China because the deadbeat, loser American government cant pay its bills.

Thanks America


edit- Maybe you Americans should start telling your loser of a government that there is no problem in the pacific. The United States is the problem. Do you people realy want war because you refuse to pay your bills and live within your means? If you think you can fight a war with China from the safety of across the other side of the world as usual, think again. China will attack you too. Count on it.

Pay your damn bills!

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If I wanted tabloid news I'd have tuned into Today Tonight 9or read Andrew Bolt's column. Why are you hating on America and masturbating China, I'll never know.

What if, just in case, you know... what if YOU ARE WRONG?

Did you think about that or was your opinion too loud and impressive to take notes?



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 09:39 PM
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China flags its Antarctic intent - January 11, 2010


...............................Now China has.

It's 20 years since Australian prime minister Bob Hawke led a global campaign to overthrow international plans to manage Antarctic mineral exploitation.

The Madrid protocol to the Antarctic Treaty is seen as a global benchmark for ecosystem management, imposing rules so strict that, for example, all huskies had to leave the continent.

The protocol is explicit about minerals. It forbids "any activity relating to mineral resources, other than scientific research". This ban can't be revisited until at least 2048 — or 50 years after the protocol came into force.

But the over-arching Antarctic Treaty is also a diplomatic two-step.

Australia claims 42 per cent of the continent, including a 5000-kilometre coastline and a vast offshore Exclusive Economic Zone. Yet under the treaty, all territorial claims are frozen.

Countries such as the former Soviet Union, and now China and India, have not sought permission from Canberra to build their bases in the Australian Antarctic Territory.

This makes the minerals ban a vital dampener on the enthusiasm of great powers, past and future.


Read more: www.smh.com.au...


Yup... No issues brewing between Australia and China....

This is not about the South China Sea... This is about resources and since China has a tad more population than Australia they aneed more resources and dont really care where they come from, so long as it ends up in Chinese control.
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by Germanicus

Originally posted by CynicalDrivel
You bring in outside soldiers when you want to attack your own citizenry, I thought.


Most of us know what is happening.

We owe China so much. They are our friends. They live amongst us.

Our ecomic future is with China and Asia.

I would imagine they have considered this and have a plan to pacify our people if the need should arise.


I wonder what it's like to live every day suckling mother China? Bow before your overlords!

When you realize that China has made you their slave puppet the broken old USA will be there to help you throw off those shackles. To Americans Australians aren't friends. You are family.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
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WW3 will likely see Australia attacked by our good friends China because the deadbeat, loser American government cant pay its bills.

Thanks America


edit- Maybe you Americans should start telling your loser of a government that there is no problem in the pacific. The United States is the problem. Do you people realy want war because you refuse to pay your bills and live within your means? If you think you can fight a war with China from the safety of across the other side of the world as usual, think again. China will attack you too. Count on it.

Pay your damn bills!

edit on 12-6-2012 by Germanicus because: (no reason given)


Your understanding of current geopolitics is laughably simplistic and relies on an irrational hatred of "America", without really grasping the mechanisms at work.

Firstly, the notion that China would attack the US to get back money owed 'them' is horribly fraught with faulty logic. For China to ever see a return on their investment in American interests, the US needs to maintain a dominate position. In addition, the Chinese military compared tot he US isnot even a contest. China would never consider that type of phsyical war with the US, one of their largest trading partners.

Second, and more importantly. you fail to understand the US presence in the Pacific is to protect Western interests. Not just the US. MANY pacific nations want the US to maintain a strong counter-balance to China. The US is not there to defend themselves against a Chinese miltary threat. They are there to ensure their freinds and allies maintain a sense of autonomy from the growing chinese sphere, which would be a far more likely assualt in terms of physical armies.

Your notion that China would attack Australia because the Chinese own a lot of American bonds is truly absurd.


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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by Germanicus
 


Check the complaints on China about the dumping of Steel on markets, including the US, undermining domestic markets. Since china controls the wages and labor laws, meaning cheap and non existent, they can afford to import massive amounts of resources, convert them, then resell them for a profit on foreign markets. Buying ore for 300 and selling steel for 850 still undercuts domestic markets because of the unfair playing field.

China, with its current policies, can easily corner most major markets, and if we look close we will see they already have. The Us is not the only "slave" to China, and think think we are the only ones is naive.
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Ha!

That is called economic warfare. Donald Trump is not as dumb as he looks.


You are already at war. It is just not Total War yet. Can you really not see this? look into why solyndra failed to start with.

You guys are toast. What makes it easier for China is that your population seems to be deluded and comforting themselves with 'ghost cities' ( that will get used ) and the false belief that China needs your consumers.

China wants the Reserve Currency. When they get it, your bloated infalted tullip of a dollar will crash and none of you will be able to afford a thing. Dont worry though. I am sure China will send aid.

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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 09:49 PM
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You are so lost and blinded by hatred of the US its not even funny. Is it your intent to engage in actual debate or just to post your hate diatribes against the US? There is no point in discussing anything further with you until you decide to discuss and learn.

have a good night.
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by Germanicus


You guys are toast. What makes it easier for China is that your population seems to be deluded and comforting themselves with 'ghost cities' ( that will get used ) and the flase belief that China needs your consumers.

China wants the Reserve Currency. When they get it, your infalted tullip of a dollar will crash and none of you will be able to afford a thing. Dont worry though. I am sure China will send aid.


Again, you base your understanding of a very complicated issue on "america sucks, Go China".

And, again, I will point out that China has NO interest in seeing the dollar collapse. Their own currency is inextricably tied to the Dollar. If it collapses, so does much of China. Your entire argument falls apart the second you apply any actual facts to it. Step away from the Alex Jones and read an economics text book.

You really should think these theories out a bit more. No amount of America-hating can replace a sound understanding of world economics.


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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 09:54 PM
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The OP is overly concerned, and clearly demonstrates the fear-mongering which spreads when one dosen't know what they are talking about. The Australian Defence Force has been historically under-staffed, and has gone to quite extreme measures for a number of years to recruit more Australians domestically. However, given the numerous other employment oppurtunities (i.e. the mining sector) and the increased University participation rate they have struggled to find enough recruits.

If Australia was seriously preparing for some kind of WWIII, why would they have cut the Defence budget by $5 billion this year alone. Moreover, much of Australia's military operations, other than in Afghanistan, is concentrated in the arc of instability (those small and weak Pacific Island nations) and to aid and development and some degree of peacekeeping.

Many other militaries all over the world do this as well. In the US, one can receive US citizenship by joining the US military. Australia isn't the only developed nation to go to these extremes.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by Erectus

Originally posted by Germanicus

Originally posted by CynicalDrivel
You bring in outside soldiers when you want to attack your own citizenry, I thought.


Most of us know what is happening.

We owe China so much. They are our friends. They live amongst us.

Our ecomic future is with China and Asia.

I would imagine they have considered this and have a plan to pacify our people if the need should arise.


I wonder what it's like to live every day suckling mother China? Bow before your overlords!

When you realize that China has made you their slave puppet the broken old USA will be there to help you throw off those shackles. To Americans Australians aren't friends. You are family.


America has enslaved the Australian nation FU America!!



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 09:56 PM
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Your notion that China would attack Australia because the Chinese own a lot of American bonds is truly absurd.


What is absurd is the egocentric deluded mentality of arrogant Americans that have an inherent sense of privillidge.

They are not going to attack you over the debt that they hold. They will attack you to take away your Reserve Currency Status. Your economy is destroyed. You have suffered a humiliating Credit Downgrade. You cannot pay your bills. You have no right to the Reserve. You are ripping us all off. Your country produces bugger all of value. You are the bloated land of tullips. Moving infalted numbers. You think the world is just going to sit around and let you rip us all off forever? Think again.

The BRICS Bank is the future. Your 'World Bank' is doomed.

Your loser of a Government has no right to be on top any longer. State Capitalist China has destroyed you and made your nation into a punchline.

Why dont you guys just stand down and avoid a war? Give up the Reserve.
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by Germanicus
 


You are so lost and blinded by hatred of the US its not even funny. Is it your intent to engage in actual debate or just to post your hate diatribes against the US? There is no point in discussing anything further with you until you decide to discuss and learn.

have a good night.
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I know you are scared. I would be too. There seems to be no solutions for America. And many of you are deluded which makes it harder.

I do not hate America. Many good Americans are against American Imperialism and you know it. Dont be absurd. Many good Americans protest their Imperial Government. OWS are not perfect but at least they are on the right track.

Funny how you consider the fact that I am in favour of ditching a counter productive alliance with the US as hatred for America. It is just common sense.

You guys will know how the rest of the world feels pretty soon. You will not be on top. You should not be now.
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
America has enslaved the Australian nation FU America!!



Originally posted by Germanicus
You guys will know how the rest of the world feels pretty soon. You will not be on top. You should not be now.


Thank you both for confirming the predominant thought on your intentions in the thread.

I will just chalk it up to envy and move on. You two have a good night and really, Australia is a great nation so there is no need to be jealous of the US.
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by stanguilles7
 





Your notion that China would attack Australia because the Chinese own a lot of American bonds is truly absurd.


What is absurd is the egocentric deluded mentality of arrogant Americans that have an inherent sense of privillidge.


Me too. How does that bolster to your point?


They are not going to attack you over the debt that they hold. They will attack you to take away your Reserve Currency Status.


Which would destory the dollar, and make the Chinese economy worthless. Try and keep up.


Your economy is destroyed. You have suffered a humiliating Credit Downgrade. You cannot pay your bills. You have no right to the Reserve. You are ripping us all off. Your country produces bugger all of value. You are the bloated land of tullips. Moving infalted numbers. You think the world is just going to sit around and let you rip us all off forever? Think again.


Again, none of that emotional ranting bolsters your empty, nonsensical claims that China would benefit from a collapsed American Dollar.

And your claim that China will get 'reserve currency' status is equally absurd. They have only recently been invited to be ONE of the currencies propping up the IMF's loans. They are in no position to take over as a world currency. The IMF is FAR more likely to implement their own service direct reserves.

Again, you seem to think that your juvenile, childish hatred of this caricature you have of "America" replaces sound, fact-based analysis of world politics and economics. It's a shame, because I can tell, based on your myriad of emotionally-based 'responses' to several posts in this thread, that you have no interest in debating facts.






Your loser of a Government has no right to be on top any longer. State capialist China has destroyed you and made your nation into a punchline.


You are deluded. China has not 'destroyed' the United States.That's. Delusion.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
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they are usualy very neutral .. what changed their mind ?


The United States.

The United States have brought their wars to the West.

WW3 will likely see Australia attacked by our good friends China because the deadbeat, loser American government cant pay its bills.

Thanks America


edit- Maybe you Americans should start telling your loser of a government that there is no problem in the pacific. The United States is the problem. Do you people realy want war because you refuse to pay your bills and live within your means? If you think you can fight a war with China from the safety of across the other side of the world as usual, think again. China will attack you too. Count on it.

Pay your damn bills!

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As much as we agree on the U.S. government creating conflicts around the world, and certainly inflaming tensions in the pacific.. without an active U.S. military China would most certainly be taking land it sees as rightfully theirs.. taiwan.. certain possibly oil rich waters near the Philippines..etc..



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 10:26 PM
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Which would destory the dollar, and make the Chinese economy worthless. Try and keep up.


Think again. When the last GFC hit it gave nations like Australia and China a bump on the world stage. China is prepared for the next GFC and so are their friends. hy do you think they formed the BRICS Bank? Keep up.




You are deluded. China has not 'destroyed' the United States.That's. Delusion.

Yeah, its looking great isnt it?




Me too. How does that bolster to your point?


How does insulting me bolster your ramblings? And try not to hate yourself. Its your governments fault mostly. You have some blame because you obviously cheer your government and refuse to entertain the blinding truth that your economy is an utter mess and you have no solutions.
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 10:27 PM
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Well.. I just contacted the OZ Army! lol



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