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Australia offers NZ soldiers $250k to swap armies

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posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 12:22 AM
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Oh Damn! Burn!


I'm still going through the thread but your argument makes a whole lot of sense. I'm sure Germanicus will be displeased.




posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 01:44 AM
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posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 02:57 AM
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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
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I bring up OWS because of your proclamation that it is us fat cat Americans not paying our bills.

You DO realize that US banks are really Earth banks, right? We are over the same barrell you are. Pointing fingers and decrying an entire nation of 300mil is not just unproductive, but counterproductive.

You seem to have a grasp on what is going on. Pay attention to that, and quit blaming "America". If you think that you can pin the entire worlds problems on our financial hiccup, you are mistaken. Yes, our politicians may have helped rape us, and it may have been the GFC tipping point. But there are other things like the welfare Europe that have had its own effect. It seems like the whole world was willing to put their economies teetering on the edge, and then depended on the US to keep it propped up. Now that we can't do that, it is our fault?


We cant vote in your Imperial Elections.

You can.

It is too late for you to fix things now. Bad luck.

The Reserve must change hands. The selfish passive and ignorant american public has failed us all.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 03:02 AM
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Talk and nothing more.. Again quit blaming the US for a bilateral decision.. If it was as easy as the US dictating terms there would not be any need for "talks" now would there? Australia is a sovereign nation and is capable of making decisions, as is the US. If we ask and Australia says yes then its not the fault of the US now is it?


You dont ask and you know it.

This issue does it for me though. People like you must be stopped. The world must turn on you Americans. I know many of you are good people that are against your governments Imperialism but if you people are going to defend what you are doing here to Australia then thats it.

I will not feel sorry for you guys when you are destroyed.


To the Honourable The Speaker and Members of the House of Representatives This petition of concerned citizens draws to the attention of the House: The Australian government is negotiating a Trans-Pacific Partnership free trade agreement (TPPA) with the US, New Zealand, Chile, Peru, Brunei, Singapore, Malaysia and Vietnam. But the agenda is being set by giant US corporations. They see many Australian health, social, cultural and environmental policies are barriers to trade which should be removed. They want to use the negotiations to undermine the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme and charge higher prices for medicines, to give special rights for corporations to sue governments, to remove labelling of genetically modified food, to undermine local jobs and fair employment conditions for government contracts, and to weaken policies for Australian content in film, television and digital media. They also oppose including enforceable labour rights and environmental protections in the agreement.

parlinfo.aph.gov.au...;page=0;query=TPPA;rec=0;resCount=Default

Do you think this is fair????

Western Governmets are not your friend. They are scared of you. Your Government is an evil monster that must be stopped. Thank god for China and Russia. The American public are complicit for the most part. Someone has to stand up to your monster.

We are not your friends. You are a bully. Your days are numbered.

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edit- its all just a stupid little internet game for you people isnt it? it will get serious for you guys soon enough.
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edit- donrt even worry about the rest of it, just focus on our Pharmaceutical Benifits Scheme. We actually value a good public health system here. Unlike Americans, we want to make sure our low socio ecomic families and individual have their needs met. Do you think your corporations should have the power to bully us into this? Our politicians are scared of you if you had not noticed. You are an evil Empire. Leave our [SNIP]ing country alone. Leave our healthcare alone. And all the other great things we have in place. We do not want our nation turned into a hell hole of homeless people and half a population on 'food stamps' like your mess of a country. We dont even have 'food stamps' here. We think the way you treat your poor and needy is demonic. Your country is a disease.
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posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 04:27 AM
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Originally posted by CynicalDrivel
You bring in outside soldiers when you want to attack your own citizenry, I thought.


I think Kiwis wouldn't treat our citizens any different than our own soldiers. We are far too alike.

When the enemy looks like you it makes it psychologically harder to hate and kill them, IMO. My Grandfather was a Captain in the British Army in WWII and I remember him telling me how one Christmas Day, the British and German soldiers agreed not to fight because they both didn't want anyone to die that day. The big brass didn't know about it, but they spent the day trading cigarettes and matches and taking it easy. The only time guns were fired was when one of the battlefield commanders was on the radio to their COs, to make it sound like they were still fighting. At midnight, they went back to business.

Given the racial difference in "enemies" these days, I just couldn't see anything like that happening.

So I think if the Australian Government wanted to use military force on us, they would be better off asking for "help" from the UN, in the form of foreign soldiers who look a little bit different than the majority of Australians.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 07:33 AM
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Originally posted by Germanicus

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by Germanicus
 


I bring up OWS because of your proclamation that it is us fat cat Americans not paying our bills.

You DO realize that US banks are really Earth banks, right? We are over the same barrell you are. Pointing fingers and decrying an entire nation of 300mil is not just unproductive, but counterproductive.

You seem to have a grasp on what is going on. Pay attention to that, and quit blaming "America". If you think that you can pin the entire worlds problems on our financial hiccup, you are mistaken. Yes, our politicians may have helped rape us, and it may have been the GFC tipping point. But there are other things like the welfare Europe that have had its own effect. It seems like the whole world was willing to put their economies teetering on the edge, and then depended on the US to keep it propped up. Now that we can't do that, it is our fault?


We cant vote in your Imperial Elections.

You can.

It is too late for you to fix things now. Bad luck.

The Reserve must change hands. The selfish passive and ignorant american public has failed us all.


As a denizen of a western nation, you have failed us too.

Now, do you know where the Rothschild family lives? Yes, that is right....everywhere. The Federal Reserve is not an American bank. It is a globalist bank, owned by globalist bankers.

And adding the word "Imperial" to the word "election" is just an act of sillyness meant to layer on hyperbole.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
You dont ask and you know it.

We do ask and you know it. Placing military assets in a country without permission is an act of war. I am surprised you dont know that with as much as you accuse the US of warmongering.


Originally posted by Germanicus
This issue does it for me though. People like you must be stopped. The world must turn on you Americans. I know many of you are good people that are against your governments Imperialism but if you people are going to defend what you are doing here to Australia then thats it.

You gonna cry? Gonna squirt some water? Your level of lack of knowledge is astounding.


Originally posted by Germanicus
I will not feel sorry for you guys when you are destroyed.

If war breaks out major destruction will most likely occur to the US in defense of Australia, as well as other countries / allies. Destroyed... Not a chance. The US threw off the shackles of the crown to stand on our own and face the world in our own way. When you get time you should consult your Governor General and ask about the insurrection.


Originally posted by Germanicus
Do you think this is fair????

To blame the US companies for the failure of Australias parliment to enact domestic laws that would curtail US businesses practices people find offensive isfunny? Its not fair at all and the reason why is once again cowards would rather play the blame game instead of standing up and saying why members of the Austrailian government voted / supported either side of the argument.


Originally posted by Germanicus
Western Governmets are not your friend. They are scared of you. Your Government is an evil monster that must be stopped. Thank god for China and Russia. The American public are complicit for the most part. Someone has to stand up to your monster.

I would agree to an extent some western government are not our friends. I say this to those who lecture the US on our debt when the US is picking up that nations bigger ticket buget items, like a national defense. I guess we could save even more moeny by not subsidizing your purchase of US military equipment as well as cut all access to advanced technologies.

Radical Islam also decided the US population was complicit, which is why those cowards attacked the civilians and not the military because it was just easier. If you feel the same way take a roll of the dice however its not a fight you are going to win.



Originally posted by Germanicus
We are not your friends. You are a bully. Your days are numbered.
edit- its all just a stupid little internet game for you people isnt it? it will get serious for you guys soon enough

Care check on aisle 3 please... Care check on aisle 3.
Australia is our friend where as you - are special. While I have had discussion with Australians who dont care for the US before, your level of blind hatred leads me to believe your background is not quite 100% Australian. Do you by chance have relatives living in other countries affected by US actions in non western countries?

When you get your wish who will be around to help you guys out when you are targeted? This is what happens when you dont use logic or rationale and think things through to the end game. Based on your argument to date I know you have not thought beyond your hatred of the US, which will be your own downfall.



Originally posted by Germanicus
edit- donrt even worry about the rest of it, just focus on our Pharmaceutical Benifits Scheme. We actually value a good public health system here. Unlike Americans, we want to make sure our low socio ecomic families and individual have their needs met. Do you think your corporations should have the power to bully us into this? Our politicians are scared of you if you had not noticed. You are an evil Empire. Leave our [SNIP]ing country alone. Leave our healthcare alone. And all the other great things we have in place. We do not want our nation turned into a hell hole of homeless people and half a population on 'food stamps' like your mess of a country. We dont even have 'food stamps' here. We think the way you treat your poor and needy is demonic. Your country is a disease.
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Hmmmm ok... So you hate our companies, people and anything American.

Again your own blind hatred towards the US has allowed you to derail the thread into an off topic rant that was a whole lot better in its origional German form. Ironic really since if you paid any attention to history you would already see how that worked out.

Does someone need a hug?

/Hug
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posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 04:55 PM
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While I have had discussion with Australians who dont care for the US before, your level of blind hatred leads me to believe your background is not quite 100% Australian. Do you by chance have relatives living in other countries affected by US actions in non western countries?


No. I just happen to have a social conscience. Im a good looking white guy. I have Irish, Spanish and English that I can trace. The surname is Norman ( as in the Normans / Viking ) though. Only family in contact with family in England now. Three generations Australian. I guess I am just a well informed person that is not a deluded propaganda filled lemming.

I get my hottness from Spain.

And if you cant see Imperialism for what it is, I pity you. Austerity is coming. And its coming for America. That is your best case scenario. Worst case is desrtuction. The greatest nation in the world

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posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
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Austerity is coming. And its coming for America.


I thought it was democracy that is coming to the USA??




go Leonard!



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 05:04 PM
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I can hear a parrot flying in to say "We are not a democracy,we are a Republic"


Ron Paul had a great Foreign Policy. I wish he had not failed. It is not too late to go with a third party. You should not give up. Jerry White or Garry johnson are better than the Imperial Republocrat Regime.

I still have hope.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
No. I just happen to have a social conscience.

Not really.. What you have is hatred of anything American and an inability to grasp the concept that Australia makes its own decisions and is not forced to do anything.


Originally posted by Germanicus
I guess I am just a well informed person that is not a deluded propaganda filled lemming.

Well informed?
You are as lost as a Bedouin in a sandstorm and have ethics that would raise eyebrows in the court of Caligula.




Originally posted by Germanicus
I get my hottness from Spain.

Apparently shallowness as well...



Originally posted by Germanicus
And if you cant see Imperialism for what it is, I pity you.

If you dont understand how the term is applied and what it means, balanced against world affairs, then by all means continue deluding yourself.



Originally posted by Germanicus
Austerity is coming. And its coming for America. That is your best case scenario. Worst case is desrtuction.

Not really.. I bet your one of those misinformed people who believe china is the largest holder of US debt as well.



Originally posted by Germanicus
The greatest nation in the world


Yes the greatest nation on earth... Just as Australia is the greatest nation on Earth if you ask Australians, or New Zealanders, British, French.. They will all state they are the greatest nation on the Earth.

Im not entirely sure what you are scared of. Your concern about Australia becoming a target by China if hostilities break out and US troops are in Australia are naive to say the least. Do you seriously think China would not attack Australia if war breaks out even if our troops were not there? Do you not think that China knows Australia is outside the range of most, but not all, Chinese military assets? do you not think China knows Australia would become involved due to treaty obligations? Do you not think China knows Australia would be used, as it was in WWII, to be a base of operations for the region if war breaks out?

Your "well informed social conscious" is severely lacking in the realm of strategy coupled with an inability to see beyond your blind hatred, as I have constantly pointed out to you. Appeasement does not work, and if you understood history you would know this. Eventually you will become a target, and if you think you are not one now by china you really need to educate yourself.

If you were "well informed" then you would have known the troop placement is not permanent. Its a redeployment as we draw down our forces in Okinowa.

By all means Ahab, continue your tirade on the US.


Originally posted by Germanicus
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I can hear a parrot flying in to say "We are not a democracy,we are a Republic"

There is a difference in terms of government and the US is a Republic, not a Democracy.

Democracy

a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
2
: a political unit that has a democratic government
3
capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the United States
4
: the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority
5
: the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges


Republic

1
a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit
2
: a body of persons freely engaged in a specified activity
3
: a constituent political and territorial unit of the former nations of Czechoslovakia, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, or Yugoslavia


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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 08:39 AM
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Oh wow. Absolutely eviscerating.




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