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Clive Prince is not, shall we say, a great source. Alchemy, in the sense that we are currently discussing is pretty much narrowed down, and you'd be much better reading Paul Coelho for it's relevence here, most everything else, alchemical, has merged into the sciences, that single point excepted. Have you read Frazer's The Golden Bough? Much better overview of things than Pike will ever provide you with, Pike's worldview, while vaild to the Masons no doubt, has limited scope for us lesser mortals...
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
reply to post by Biliverdin
Clive Prince is not, shall we say, a great source. Alchemy, in the sense that we are currently discussing is pretty much narrowed down, and you'd be much better reading Paul Coelho for it's relevence here, most everything else, alchemical, has merged into the sciences, that single point excepted. Have you read Frazer's The Golden Bough? Much better overview of things than Pike will ever provide you with, Pike's worldview, while vaild to the Masons no doubt, has limited scope for us lesser mortals...
I'll read it. For perspective, I have listened to most of the Golden Dawn podcast and read most of the related books from Theosophy. There is a root truth that must be understood by this tradition of thought if correct truth is to be understood. I outline this in my many articles and it's very simple. Taking from the fruit of knowledge makes us a thief. Allowing God to give the fruit makes us a child of God. Nature has a process. Alchemy seeks to speed that process up my the works of men. It's a failed attempt. The wedding clothes can only be put on one way and with one name. Any other method makes us a thief and a wedding crasher.
Many Masons are aware of the correct path and practice it. In John 15:16, Jesus said, “You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should remain.”
The key is bearing fruit and not taking it.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Still haven't verified which version of the film he was watching, but if it WAS the early 80s movie, the front hall looks like this:
Originally posted by Shoonra
You don't provide a date for the single frame of the Annie cartoon - perhaps it was a special drawing, not part of the newspaper series. I suspect the "trip to the East" that Annie is talking about is either Daddy's participation in WW2 against Japan or perhaps a visit to the Holy Land.
Sooooo.....on that principle...what is always 'fruited' in the East?
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
In one sense of the word 'fruited', we could make the case of Eastern ritual sacrifice and rape of children. This shows up with the Priests in the church, with the Greek Philosophers and many other mystical traditions. If we are examining two authors with a fascination of orphans and little girls, we might make the case that this is connected to such practices. It might further be noted that the Bohemian Grove Club seems to have such a connection to Moloch. Most of the Bohemian Grove members are also Masons of one sort or another. If there is one secret they would want to keep, it would be such a connection to the occult, magic and sacrifice to demons. Possibly, it's simpler than this. Conspiracies are easily connected from misplaced concreteness. Then again, know them by their fruit.
Originally posted by Biliverdin
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
In one sense of the word 'fruited', we could make the case of Eastern ritual sacrifice and rape of children. This shows up with the Priests in the church, with the Greek Philosophers and many other mystical traditions. If we are examining two authors with a fascination of orphans and little girls, we might make the case that this is connected to such practices. It might further be noted that the Bohemian Grove Club seems to have such a connection to Moloch. Most of the Bohemian Grove members are also Masons of one sort or another. If there is one secret they would want to keep, it would be such a connection to the occult, magic and sacrifice to demons. Possibly, it's simpler than this. Conspiracies are easily connected from misplaced concreteness. Then again, know them by their fruit.
Hahahaha....oooookay! I'm going to leave this one...but thanks for the laugh. Truly amazing response and sincerely hope you're pulling my leg.
Originally posted by Biliverdin
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
reply to post by Biliverdin
Clive Prince is not, shall we say, a great source. Alchemy, in the sense that we are currently discussing is pretty much narrowed down, and you'd be much better reading Paul Coelho for it's relevence here, most everything else, alchemical, has merged into the sciences, that single point excepted. Have you read Frazer's The Golden Bough? Much better overview of things than Pike will ever provide you with, Pike's worldview, while vaild to the Masons no doubt, has limited scope for us lesser mortals...
I'll read it. For perspective, I have listened to most of the Golden Dawn podcast and read most of the related books from Theosophy. There is a root truth that must be understood by this tradition of thought if correct truth is to be understood. I outline this in my many articles and it's very simple. Taking from the fruit of knowledge makes us a thief. Allowing God to give the fruit makes us a child of God. Nature has a process. Alchemy seeks to speed that process up my the works of men. It's a failed attempt. The wedding clothes can only be put on one way and with one name. Any other method makes us a thief and a wedding crasher.
Many Masons are aware of the correct path and practice it. In John 15:16, Jesus said, “You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should remain.”
The key is bearing fruit and not taking it.
Sooooo.....on that principle...what is always 'fruited' in the East?
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
Depending on how you view the master architect, you will either see Him as Lucifer or God or YHVH. The Mason definitely sees a Trinity.
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
"Daddy" is the Father. Depending on how you view the master architect, you will either see Him as Lucifer or God or YHVH. The Mason definitely sees a Trinity.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
Depending on how you view the master architect, you will either see Him as Lucifer or God or YHVH. The Mason definitely sees a Trinity.
How did you arrive at this absurd conclusion?
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
Depending on how you view the master architect, you will either see Him as Lucifer or God or YHVH. The Mason definitely sees a Trinity.
How did you arrive at this absurd conclusion?
Originally posted by Droidinvoid
Will it be cracked before Greece falls............only the owl knows ~~~~~00~~~~~
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
It's no secret that many masons are deceived into false conclusions.
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Who else rejected Christ?
The higher they go, the worse it gets.
Life comes by placing God in his place of authority.
the biggest problem is that there are people who believe their spirit is eternal... and there are people who think this human life is the only shot at something......
so you are saying the "best" things humans on this planet can do, is to live simply,healthily and peacefully, and enjoy the natural fruits of man and earths nature.. and we can do this for millennia and keep an equilibrium of consumption, population, and resources...
the first line might be incorrect now that i think about it, by thinking it is an issue of eternal spirit... because the natural way which the second line dictates, has been the way of life of humans for thousands of years, and this side of the more recent modern era it is kind of like humans have been running away from that nature at full speed,. just another avenue of adventure, with the means to sate curiosity,
really a large percentage of our technology is only an inhibitor of multiplying our species, just as the spear allowed us to have an advantage, and breed more, the current technologies of efficiency and comfort do the same to a different degree.... the notion of your god is that the saviour of technology is an illusion, and the nature that millennia of time has prepared for man is mans best bet at true happiness and peace...
I think the lesson god would like us to learn is more complex, and more of a middle ground.... one that takes in all avenues of thought and possibility, which cares for its entire species with love, unity, and compassion, but also utilizes unfathomable knowledge to create new realities on earth through advanced technology.,. god is a/the creator, the maddest scientist we can know of,,. but it is also the definition of well rounded,., we can live as humble man for eternities,,. but im sure god would not mind if we saw to ourselves that we grew up to follow in our creators footsteps, of understanding ourselves, and the creation inside and out,., to explore ourselves, our imagination and original ideas...