Sick and tired of claims Moon landings were a Hoax final proof!

Originally posted by BriGuyTM90
reply to post by seabhac-rua

 

Who said that all
400000 people knew about it even the people in the control room could have been fooled by false data being fed to their monitors. This clam dose nothing to prove Apollo went to the moon.

Try to use your head, just once. Do you honestly believe that any or all of the specialist engineers and scientists involved in this colossal task could, would, allow themselves to be fooled? Do you think you are smarter than these people, answer me that? Maybe you do, maybe mockrock does too. You guys are so smart to have it all figured out, while the hundreds of thousands of experts actually working their asses off for years in dedication to the Apollo missions were duped. Wow. Is arrogance the right term here?

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130'000 people worked on the Manhattan project and that remained secret.

You have to look at a military command structure, only a small amount of people would have needed to know that the landings were not to take place.

Do we know where our nuclear weapons are all based? Of course not because the public falls on the bottom tier of need to know.. Same with the lunar landings tasks were segmented so no one person could put it all together.

The real question is will the U.S attempt to beat a combined Chinese/Russian mission to the moon.. or is it still beyond our grasp?

China are racing ahead of the U.S english.people.com.cn...

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130'000 people worked on the Manhattan project and that remained secret.

And yet Stalin knew all about it at Potsdam.

You have to look at a military command structure, only a small amount of people would have needed to know that the landings were not to take place.

Plus the army of special effects people who made the film and video, and all the engineers who faked all the data, and all the security guards who guarded the secret studios, and all the FBI agents who shadowed the people who worked on the secret project, and....

It is going to be slightly awkward explaining to the American people the truth..

Will China be allowed to overtake the U.S?

The engineers that worked on the Apollo missions did incredible work, launching the mission was a feat of ingenuity
.. But when it switched to the lunar part of the operation that was nothing short of dangerous fraud, the end result of which will completely erode faith in authority, to the extent that the U.S will do anything to stop the truth getting out.. The question is will that stretch as far as stopping China get to the Moon?

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by mockrock

 

130'000 people worked on the Manhattan project and that remained secret.

And yet Stalin knew all about it at Potsdam.

You have to look at a military command structure, only a small amount of people would have needed to know that the landings were not to take place.

Plus the army of special effects people who made the film and video, and all the engineers who faked all the data, and all the security guards who guarded the secret studios, and all the FBI agents who shadowed the people who worked on the secret project, and....

There is one thing you are leaving out here, the power of money to buy silence. The small inner clique had a vast budget at their disposal.. Furthermore a government willing to dupe the world and it's own people would not have had any problem in tying up loose ends.. I doubt any of the people who worked in that studio are still alive.

Can we move this on to who will be the first to land man on the Moon?

China, Russia or the U.S

If Russia and China cooperate it will be hard for the U.S to win the race.. It will be hard to sell to the American public, when the only way to do so it to reveal the original hoax! Then trust in Nasa will be nil and it could leave the U.S paralyzed in the space race.

Originally posted by mockrock
Can we move this on to who will be the first to land man on the Moon?

China, Russia or the U.S

If Russia and China cooperate it will be hard for the U.S to win the race.. It will be hard to sell to the American public, when the only way to do so it to reveal the original hoax! Then trust in Nasa will be nil and it could leave the U.S paralyzed in the space race.

Are we now deviating from the OP? What happened to the discussion of the lack of moon dust on the LM's landing feet? I sense that perhaps you have failed to prove your point and are trying to lead your own post off topic for lack of evidence to prove your claim.

Originally posted by Gibborium

Originally posted by mockrock
Can we move this on to who will be the first to land man on the Moon?

China, Russia or the U.S

If Russia and China cooperate it will be hard for the U.S to win the race.. It will be hard to sell to the American public, when the only way to do so it to reveal the original hoax! Then trust in Nasa will be nil and it could leave the U.S paralyzed in the space race.

Are we now deviating from the OP? What happened to the discussion of the lack of moon dust on the LM's landing feet? I sense that perhaps you have failed to prove your point and are trying to lead your own post off topic for lack of evidence to prove your claim.

No that's been settled good sir/madam, did you miss it.. ? No dust No moon landing. To be fair the O.P settle that.. and the Thread title invites discussion on all aspects of the final proof which include China's efforts to settle the debate by landing on the moon..

hey mockrock

did you have the guts to click on the link I posted ?

LALALALALALALALALALALALALALA

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There is one thing you are leaving out here, the power of money to buy silence. The small inner clique had a vast budget at their disposal.. Furthermore a government willing to dupe the world and it's own people would not have had any problem in tying up loose ends.. I doubt any of the people who worked in that studio are still alive.

You have just assigned yourself some homework: compile a list of all the special effects technicians who have died under mysterious circumstances since 1969, or admit that your opinion is completely without grounds.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by BriGuyTM90

 

Who said that all
400000 people knew about it even the people in the control room could have been fooled by false data being fed to their monitors.

So if the flight techs had false data being fed to their monitors, who was feeding that data and who faked it in the first place?

So, in addition to the twenty guys you see here, there was an additional "secret" mission control room with another twenty guys feeding the false data fabricated, presumably, by another twenty guys....

Was it only 20 guys, yes these guys did their part of the job.. Got the crew into Earth's orbit, where they remained. The data from unmanned lunar probes was then used to dupe those at ground control not in the loop.. that they were heading to the moon.

The pre-recorded footage was then transmitted and mission accomplished..

Originally posted by mockrock
The fact that there was no dust on the lunar lander feet.. makes me angry as it proves that there is magic dust on the moon. This mysterious heavy dust.. is too heavy to be kicked up by the descending lander yet fine enough to
produce a foot print.




So one of two explanations the footprint is false or the lander did not land.

And here finally the conclusive proof.. if this mysterious dust does not gather on the Lunar lander's feet.. because it is of a 'heavy type'

Then why does NASA claim in this article that it clings to everything.. ?

"But, after every moonwalk (or "EVA"), they would tramp the stuff back inside the lander. Moondust was incredibly clingy, sticking to boots, gloves and other exposed surfaces. No matter how hard they tried to brush their suits before re-entering the cabin, some dust (and sometimes a lot of dust) made its way inside."

science.nasa.gov...

So we are assuming an astronaut creates less of a disturbance to dust than the Lunar lander.. and whilst it clung to every bit of an astronaut.. not s spec on the Lander.

Game over amigos ! Come on give the Astronauts their chance to tell this incredible story, they carry a heavy burden and these guys need to have peace. Time to do the right thing and 'remove one of truth's protective layers'

So after all that time and effort covering it up, NASA reveals the Hoax themselves!

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Please show me where this invites other discussion beyond the dust on the LM/s landing gear. Also, you have been debunked on the dust. You have shown no proof to your point other than stating your opinion. I am sorry, but you lack credibility in simply saying "no dust, no moon landing". Please show proof of this.

Physics would be a good starting point.

Originally posted by Gibborium

Originally posted by mockrock
The fact that there was no dust on the lunar lander feet.. makes me angry as it proves that there is magic dust on the moon. This mysterious heavy dust.. is too heavy to be kicked up by the descending lander yet fine enough to
produce a foot print.




So one of two explanations the footprint is false or the lander did not land.

And here finally the conclusive proof.. if this mysterious dust does not gather on the Lunar lander's feet.. because it is of a 'heavy type'

Then why does NASA claim in this article that it clings to everything.. ?

"But, after every moonwalk (or "EVA"), they would tramp the stuff back inside the lander. Moondust was incredibly clingy, sticking to boots, gloves and other exposed surfaces. No matter how hard they tried to brush their suits before re-entering the cabin, some dust (and sometimes a lot of dust) made its way inside."

science.nasa.gov...

So we are assuming an astronaut creates less of a disturbance to dust than the Lunar lander.. and whilst it clung to every bit of an astronaut.. not s spec on the Lander.

Game over amigos ! Come on give the Astronauts their chance to tell this incredible story, they carry a heavy burden and these guys need to have peace. Time to do the right thing and 'remove one of truth's protective layers'

So after all that time and effort covering it up, NASA reveals the Hoax themselves!

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Please show me where this invites other discussion beyond the dust on the LM/s landing gear. Also, you have been debunked on the dust. You have shown no proof to your point other than stating your opinion. I am sorry, but you lack credibility in simply saying "no dust, no moon landing". Please show proof of this.

You see here is the problem.. when supporting the moon landing the smallest piece of evidence is taken as fact.. but when damning evidence of the hoax is presented it is not given the same equal consideration.

We are supposed to brush over and not see the dustless lander feet as a problem.. but it is a huge gaping plot hole with no explanation.

reply to post by mockrock

Was it only 20 guys, yes these guys did their part of the job.. Got the crew into Earth's orbit, where they remained. The data from unmanned lunar probes was then used to dupe those at ground control not in the loop.. that they were heading to the moon.

If the crew remained in orbit, who calculated when to fire the retro rockets in order to de-orbit? And what were the ground tracking stations monitoring? How was the phony data broadcast to them? By whom?

The pre-recorded footage was then transmitted and mission accomplished..

Transmitted from where? By whom? You're the one who keeps insisting that inconsistencies and contradictions prove something wrong. Please give your whole story some careful thought before embarrassing yourself further. Seriously, this is the second crack-pot idea you have obsessed over; remember how the last one turned out.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by mockrock

 

Was it only 20 guys, yes these guys did their part of the job.. Got the crew into Earth's orbit, where they remained. The data from unmanned lunar probes was then used to dupe those at ground control not in the loop.. that they were heading to the moon.

If the crew remained in orbit, who calculated when to fire the retro rockets in order to de-orbit? And what were the ground tracking stations monitoring? How was the phony data broadcast to them? By whom?

The pre-recorded footage was then transmitted and mission accomplished..

Transmitted from where? By whom? You're the one who keeps insisting that inconsistencies and contradictions prove something wrong. Please give your whole story some careful thought before embarrassing yourself further. Seriously, this is the second crack-pot idea you have obsessed over; remember how the last one turned out.

The last one? are you following me..? that's kinda creepy...

Originally posted by mockrock

Originally posted by Gibborium

Originally posted by mockrock
The fact that there was no dust on the lunar lander feet.. makes me angry as it proves that there is magic dust on the moon. This mysterious heavy dust.. is too heavy to be kicked up by the descending lander yet fine enough to
produce a foot print.




So one of two explanations the footprint is false or the lander did not land.

And here finally the conclusive proof.. if this mysterious dust does not gather on the Lunar lander's feet.. because it is of a 'heavy type'

Then why does NASA claim in this article that it clings to everything.. ?

"But, after every moonwalk (or "EVA"), they would tramp the stuff back inside the lander. Moondust was incredibly clingy, sticking to boots, gloves and other exposed surfaces. No matter how hard they tried to brush their suits before re-entering the cabin, some dust (and sometimes a lot of dust) made its way inside."

science.nasa.gov...

So we are assuming an astronaut creates less of a disturbance to dust than the Lunar lander.. and whilst it clung to every bit of an astronaut.. not s spec on the Lander.

Game over amigos ! Come on give the Astronauts their chance to tell this incredible story, they carry a heavy burden and these guys need to have peace. Time to do the right thing and 'remove one of truth's protective layers'

So after all that time and effort covering it up, NASA reveals the Hoax themselves!

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Please show me where this invites other discussion beyond the dust on the LM/s landing gear. Also, you have been debunked on the dust. You have shown no proof to your point other than stating your opinion. I am sorry, but you lack credibility in simply saying "no dust, no moon landing". Please show proof of this.

You see here is the problem.. when supporting the moon landing the smallest piece of evidence is taken as fact.. but when damning evidence of the hoax is presented it is not given the same equal consideration.

We are supposed to brush over and not see the dustless lander feet as a problem.. but it is a huge gaping plot hole with no explanation.

You stated a hypothesis, but you have not demonstrated proof other than to continue to repeat your hypothesis. This does not constitute proof of evidence. You have had ample opportunity to provide proof of your evidence to substantiate your hypothesis, but, you have given none. You simply continue to repeat your rhetoric. I and others have given ample proof to substantiate ours.

The dustless lander feet are not "a huge gaping plot hole" unless as you do, believe there is a conspiracy. When observed from an unbiased view point, there are ample substantive proofs to show that a dustless lander foot does not negate a moon landing.

Originally posted by mockrock

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by mockrock

 

Was it only 20 guys, yes these guys did their part of the job.. Got the crew into Earth's orbit, where they remained. The data from unmanned lunar probes was then used to dupe those at ground control not in the loop.. that they were heading to the moon.

If the crew remained in orbit, who calculated when to fire the retro rockets in order to de-orbit? And what were the ground tracking stations monitoring? How was the phony data broadcast to them? By whom?

The pre-recorded footage was then transmitted and mission accomplished..

Transmitted from where? By whom? You're the one who keeps insisting that inconsistencies and contradictions prove something wrong. Please give your whole story some careful thought before embarrassing yourself further. Seriously, this is the second crack-pot idea you have obsessed over; remember how the last one turned out.

The last one? are you following me..? that's kinda creepy...

and only NASA can give you those answers you seek.. But I suspect you already know.

This must be hard work keeping the hoax up ! When is the accepted tipping point.. is it when a certain percentage of people come to terms it was a hoax or is it only when you are forced to admit it through events such as China's mission to the moon..

And to conclude..

""'Moon rock' given to Holland by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin is fake
A moon rock given to the Dutch prime minister by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 has turned out to be a fake.

A piece of moon rock was given during a goodwill tour by the three apollo 11 astronauts. Photo: Getty Images
12:12AM BST 29 Aug 2009Comment
Curators at Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, where the rock has attracted tens of thousands of visitors each year, discovered that the "lunar rock", valued at £308,000, was in fact petrified wood. """"

www.telegraph.co.uk...


Your honor I rest my case.

Your honor. May I point out that the "rock" wasn't given by Neil and Buzz

Originally posted by PsykoOps
Your honor. May I point out that the "rock" wasn't given by Neil and Buzz

Judge: Sustained, Irrelevant argument posed by the hoax lawyer. Doesn't prove a damn thing. In fact I'm throwing this case out of court for the following reasons, no real evidence, speculation, hearsay, just plain making stuff up, no real understanding of the processes involved, witness testimony from countless people, institutions, laboratories, governments, universities, all over the world vs the lies of a few charlatans, whom, I may add, have been proven to deliberately present lies and falsehoods as evidence. Case dismissed.