Sick and tired of claims Moon landings were a Hoax final proof!

there is a lot of proof out there, proof that even survives the old "it's a nasa source, and nasa can't be trusted" excuse, it's third party evidence of the apollo missions

hoaxers click here if you have the guts

of course the hoaxers know this, they are just like to argue on the innerwebs

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
there is a lot of proof out there, proof that even survives the old "it's a nasa source, and nasa can't be trusted" excuse, it's third party evidence of the apollo missions

hoaxers click here if you have the guts

of course the hoaxers know this, they are just like to argue on the innerwebs

Hhahahha, the vision of kids putting their hands over their ears and yelling LALALALALALALALA enters my mind for some reason

Major solar flares can produce 100s-1000s of rems per hour. Then there are minor solar flares which can produce upto 100 rem prh. Lets take Apollo 11. There were 8 major solar flares which lasted a little over 8 hours all together so you have 800-8000 rems. There were about 210 minor solar flares during the trip. lets take an average of 5 rem per flare thats 1050 rems. 1sievert=100 rem so the they got an estimated 18.5 sieverts just from solar flares alone. This doesn't include the trip threw the Van Allen belts nor cosmic rays. Also you have energetic protons coming from the sun and when they impacted nuclei of other atoms say in your spacecraft, they produce an even higher gama and xray exposure. Beyond our comfy electromagnetic shield the earth provides use it is a very nasty place to be. Especially to humans who are one of the most susceptible organisms to radiation.

Originally posted by mockrock

Originally posted by PsykoOps
Noone is denying that you can see stars from the moon. Noone in NASA or anywhere else for that matter.
You can see stars on moon, earth, orbit and whatnot.

Yes they did deny it.. that's the point.. I sense we may be operating a different speeds..

video.google.com...

They didn't deny you can see stars from the moon. They denied themselves seeing stars. That's a world of difference right there. Not some minor detail.

to you for not even trying.

I clicked on this link expecting it to support the moon landing but was mildly disappointed it did not, not because I believe in the moon landing but only because I almost feel sorry for the dying myth. Oh well maybe next time.

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Major solar flares can produce 100s-1000s of rems per hour. Then there are minor solar flares which can produce upto 100 rem prh. Lets take Apollo 11. There were 8 major solar flares which lasted a little over 8 hours all together so you have 800-8000 rems. There were about 210 minor solar flares during the trip. lets take an average of 5 rem per flare thats 1050 rems. 1sievert=100 rem so the they got an estimated 18.5 sieverts just from solar flares alone. This doesn't include the trip threw the Van Allen belts nor cosmic rays. Also you have energetic protons coming from the sun and when they impacted nuclei of other atoms say in your spacecraft, they produce an even higher gama and xray exposure. Beyond our comfy electromagnetic shield the earth provides use it is a very nasty place to be. Especially to humans who are one of the most susceptible organisms to radiation.

Thank you for actually responding with some numbers, but I see only one flare during Apollo 11, about four hours into the flight. Where are you getting your numbers from?



adsabs.harvard.edu...

Additional discussion here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Edit to add: Nothing in the Comprehensive Flare Index, either:



ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov...

I did the same work about a year about on all of the Apollo flights I used NOAA data Im at work right now Ill try to find the exact link when I get home

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This is a non-starter of a claim, and is based on a total ignorance of all the science, combined with a complete misunderstanding of many aspects of the nature of the Lunar regolith particles, and what is meant by "clinging".

In any case, the assertion made in the OP are proven to be false as well:

www.kuruvinda.com...
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What a flipping shame, Vandalour....that you, our anyone else, is unable to comprehend how ridiculous that Bart Sibrel piece of crap video is, and how they lied and manipulated, in order to fool their audience.

Apparently, based on the fact that you posted it, shows that you fell for it too. This is very, very old news by the way....long ago torn apart and has had its arse handed to it....

Here, a guy on YouTube did it, FULLY exposing the stupidity in that junk film "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon":







Finally, there are the photos from the LCROSS mission...the satellite LRO carried a camera, and is taking pictures to map the entire Lunar surface. It has passed over all six Apollo landing sites, many time by now (it is in a polar orbit, so it gets to "see" ever part of the Moon's surface as it orbits, and the Moon rotates beneath):

Originally posted by DJW001
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You ignore the points you can't deal with.. true landings would not have plot flaws and inconsistencies.. only movies do

You need to learn some history as well as science. I'm curious as to what direction you would like to see the country move in, but that would be completely off topic.

O.k here is the paradox of America..

America advocates freedom, but that must involve allowing countries to chose their own path. Take Vietnam, apparently a battle to stop the spread of evil communism.. but if this is what the people wanted, then they should have been free to chose and make their own mistakes, it was not for the U.S to dictate socialism was not an option for independent countries. By trying to impose a different system, you are destroying all the values that the U.S claims to represent.
When the Soviets were far ahead in the space race, it was a huge problem for the propaganda campaign against socialism.. The United States needed prove they were more technologically advanced than the Soviets.. This is where the United States really lost it's way..

When it was realized that it was not possible to get to the moon in the time-frame specified, the choice was world wide ridicule and a victory for communism, or fake the moon landings..

But this is the irony, the Soviets wouldn't have got to the moon either! So all this expense and subterfuge.. and the complete sacrifice of American values was unnecessary.

The U.S should attempt to help the people in the Ghettos across the country, instead of meddling abroad. The United States cannot go around the world pushing freedom and justice.. when within its own society there is none.

We need to move on from this, time to purge mistakes of the past and rediscover our values..

We cannot get to the moon yet but perhaps we will witness this in our lifetimes.. hopefully it will not matter what country achieves this as it is a milestone for mankind.

But how the U.S deals with this is going to be interesting, the first manned mission to the moon will encounter problems which will prove we cannot have made it back in 1969.

The space shuttle never travelled more than a few hundred miles away from Earth, the reason given it could not carry enough fuel... Our space capabilities went backwards. Doesn't technology usually increase capabilities?

Originally posted by mockrock
We need to move on from this, time to purge mistakes of the past and rediscover our values..

We cannot get to the moon yet but perhaps we will witness this in our lifetimes.. hopefully it will not matter what country achieves this as it is a milestone for mankind.

But how the U.S deals with this is going to be interesting, the first manned mission to the moon will encounter problems which will prove we cannot have made it back in 1969.

The space shuttle never travelled more than a few hundred miles away from Earth, the reason given it could not carry enough fuel... Our space capabilities went backwards. Doesn't technology usually increase capabilities?

LOL, oh God, I give up. Smoke much?

Originally posted by GonzoSinister
Here's my problem with the moon landing...

They either staged it so no one working at Nasa other than literally a hand full maybe 10 people at most and the astronaughts new it was staged and everyone else thought it had happened

or they went to the moon,

there was litterally hundreds of people involved from the guys who preped the rocket, the pay load, organised the guys whilst in space the crew that collected them from there landing, the video folk, the engineers the scientists thats ALOT of people you need to keep a secret for like 50 years.

400,000 people were involved with Apollo 11.

Not friggin 1 person has ever come forward. Nor will they. You want to know why? There is no hoax.

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So does this mean you give up and admid that you were just making stuff up? Can we get an apology?

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The shuttle was built to bring large payloads into orbit. It wasn't designed to go anywhere else.

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Incorrect.

Please, before embarrassing yourself further, take some time to study science. Especially, the actual purpose for the Space Shuttle, and why it was built:

The space shuttle never travelled more than a few hundred miles away from Earth, the reason given it could not carry enough fuel...

It was NEVER intended to leave Earth orbit. That wasn't ever part of its mission, what it was designed to accomplish.

Really, the utter lack of comprehension about the reality of space travel technology is evident every time someone claims that Apollo was "fake".

And, in case (as is with many people) you were not aware, the USSR was very, very determined to get to the Moon too. They had no problem realizing that the Van Allen Belts did not pose a direct nor significant hazard for short duration journeys. Neither does the short duration space flight to the Moon and back.

The USSR was very intent, and had been developing the hardware. They suffered one major drawback - - no feasible heavy lift capability. They did not have a rocket that was reliable, one needed to lift all of the mass of components that are needed to mount the mission. Their version of our Saturn V was never successful. It kept exploding on launch.

Eventually, if they had continued, they could have solved their engineering problems with the rocket. But, another drawback is in one catastrophe, many of their best scientists and engineers were killed. Once Apollo 11 succeeded, their drive in the USSR faded, as hey could now no longer be "first". They had fallen way behind, and decided to focus on near Earth (just as NASA eventually was forced to do as well, because of budget shortfalls).

The USSR has developed a far more advanced and frequent low-Earth orbit infrastructure of launch vehicles than NASA has. The USSR also developed their own version of a space shuttle (called the Buran). It was designed to do the same sort of tasks as our Space Shuttle.....but, it fell victim to budget cuts too, as part of their own internal political wrangling problems.

Truly....some people have a lot....a LOT.... to learn about real space flight........

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Who said that all
400000 people knew about it even the people in the control room could have been fooled by false data being fed to their monitors. This clam dose nothing to prove Apollo went to the moon.

Not that anyone cares what I think,but I'll put my two cents in anyway.I think Neil Armstrong is hiding is that he wasn't the first to land on the moon.I believe we had been there and done that by then,and that is what he is keeping from the public.In my opinion we did go to the moon,but nasa being the way they are haven't told us all of the truth of our space program it's highly possible that some of the footage released was either prerecorded or highly edited and sanitized for public viewing.Whatever the truth is I believe we did go,the question is have they told "all" to us?..No,probably not

Originally posted by mockrock

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The true diseases are the endless lies which have ruined America.

It is time to end these lies a move forward in a new direction.

It is time to let the astronauts have peace.. they did a deal with the devil. These guys always thought it was a temporary solution until it could be done for real. They were tricked.*

You ignore the points you can't deal with.. true landings would not have plot flaws and inconsistencies.. only movies do

* emphasis by Gibborium

Could you please give some references that can be looked up and studied for this statement. I would like to understand where you garner the idea that the astronauts are living a lie.

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Who said that all
400000 people knew about it even the people in the control room could have been fooled by false data being fed to their monitors.

So if the flight techs had false data being fed to their monitors, who was feeding that data and who faked it in the first place?



So, in addition to the twenty guys you see here, there was an additional "secret" mission control room with another twenty guys feeding the false data fabricated, presumably, by another twenty guys....