Man Attempts to Set Off Explosives on Plane

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


Listening to you go on im under the impression you think the US government and CIA filled a plane with undercover agents that grabbed this innocent 23 year old and lit his crotch on fire and flasely accused him of being a terrorist just so they could start a war in Yemen. If not explain what you think about the current events on flight 253 from the 25 and 27 of Dec. 2009 and just leave the rest of the posters on this thread out of your answer.

Originally posted by Night Watchman

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry


NO...CONGRATS TO YOU!!! Your freedom to defend a useless war has helped break our economy, destroy the lives of Americans who can no longer afford their homes, and systematically strip us of our freedoms. YOU SIR, ARE DOING A BANG UP JOB KEEPING AMERICA SAFE FOR FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY!!!

You really are all varieties of insane, aren't you? Could you point out where I defended any war?

I await your response.

HMMM...insanity must be relative because I was thinking the same about you.

Well, lets see here...if you're saying that JJAy is right and that we should focus on THE ISLAMIC THREAT as opposed to dealing with our own, then you MUST be in defense of our tactics of stamping it out. Or maybe my ability to read between the lines is somehow blurred.

So tell me. If you think that the THOUSANDS of supposed threats are real (and it was quite apparent with your response)....then what is your alternative for stopping it???

Originally posted by JBA2848
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

Listening to you go on im under the impression you think the US government and CIA filled a plane with undercover agents that grabbed this innocent 23 year old and lit his crotch on fire and flasely accused him of being a terrorist just so they could start a war in Yemen. If not explain what you think about the current events on flight 253 from the 25 and 27 of Dec. 2009 and just leave the rest of the posters on this thread out of your answer.

Wow!!! There could have been infinite alternatives and possibilities that one could come up with from my statements, but, this is the one you landed on?

Ahem...NOPE. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that every nutjob that gets on a plane and scares the locals isn't a terrorist and that people should quit looking for the boogeyman when they have enough problems right here to focus on.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Don't be fooled by the U.S.'s debt to China which is a New World Order Proto Type State already.

did you just make that up? how did you come to that conclusion? what are the indicators of NWO state in layman`s terms? also what makes China NWO prototype state?

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry



Do you not realize the 23 yearold who set himself on fire on the plane is the one who said he was a terrorist. And its came out the guys own father tried to turn his son in for being a terrorist befor anybody even knew who he was. The US government if anything ignored the warnings and figured the guy wasn't a terrorist but just some miss guided youth.

Originally posted by JBA2848
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

Do you not realize the 23 yearold who set himself on fire on the plane is the one who said he was a terrorist. And its came out the guys own father tried to turn his son in for being a terrorist befor anybody even knew who he was. The US government if anything ignored the warnings and figured the guy wasn't a terrorist but just some miss guided youth.

Do you realize that a TERRORIST never actually calls themselves a "TERRORIST?" Do you realize that a true "terrorist" is under the illusion that they are fighting for "freedom?" The fact that this kid would directly say, "Yeah, I'm a terrorist. I tried to blow up a plane with roman candles and fireworks" automatically sounds suspicious and a little insulting.

[edit on 27-12-2009 by EvolvedMinistry]

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry


HMMM...insanity must be relative because I was thinking the same about you.

Well, lets see here...if you're saying that JJAy is right and that we should focus on THE ISLAMIC THREAT as opposed to dealing with our own, then you MUST be in defense of our tactics of stamping it out. Or maybe my ability to read between the lines is somehow blurred.

So tell me. If you think that the THOUSANDS of supposed threats are real (and it was quite apparent with your response)....then what is your alternative for stopping it???

You seem to have difficulty with rational thought and so I am questioning whether it is even worth the time it takes to answer you. You do enjoy jumping to conclusions. though, this is clear. It is also fairly evident that you don't require any actual evidence before jumping.

So, let's try to help you understand. I never suggested I supported any war (and given your incoherence you could be referring to the War of 1812) nor have I written that I agree with JJ.

Next stop, baseless conclusion. Please watch your step disembarking.

My only point was that the Islamic Extremist terror threat is real. To suggest otherwise is to reveal oneself as a supreme simpleton. Does our govt use this threat to invoke to further an agenda? Absolutely. That fact doesn't change the reality of the threat.

It is important that we all understand the end game here. It is critically important to understand the concept of Caliphate and how it drives the hatred that leads to the murder of innocent civilians. The fact that our government's foreign policy, at times, provides Islamic Extremists with juicy recruitment tools should not obscure the fact that whether we had troops in the Middle East or not, the ultimate outcome of this terrorist threat would be the same.

Please educate yourself. Or at the very least, stop being so insistent on proving your lack of knowledge.

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

Try just doing a simple google search.

www.alltheinternet.com... admits to being terrorist

Source: Terror suspect's father tried to warn authorities - CNN.com
Dec 26, 2009 ... The initial impression is that the suspect was acting alone and did not have any formal connections to organized terrorist groups, ...
www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/26/airline.attack/index.html


Suspect in terror probe admits ties to al Qaeda, official says ...
Sep 18, 2009 ... Suspect in probe of alleged terror plot admits al Qaeda ties, official says ... Afghan national who is a suspect in an alleged terrorist plot in the United ... Watch why Colorado man is being questioned by authorities » ...
www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/18/terror.raid/index.html


Alleged airline terrorist transferred to prison - Security- msnbc.com
Dec 27, 2009 ... Peter King says lawmakers will be looking into why the suspect was ... no indication yet Abdulmutallab is part of a larger terrorist plot, ...
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34592031/ns/us_news-security


Sole surviving suspect admits guilt for Mumbai attacks - Scotsman ...
Jul 20, 2009 ... Sole surviving suspect admits guilt for Mumbai attacks - THE sole surviving ... The confession was a big boost to India's claims that terrorist groups in ... " My request is that we end the trial and I be sentenced." ...
news.scotsman.com/indian-terrorist-attacks/Sole-surviving-suspect-a


Zazi Admits Ties to Terrorism during Probe - CBS News
Sep 18, 2009 ... Report: Father Warned of Bomb Suspect Son. Alleged Terrorist May be Child of Prominent Nigerian Banker; Alhaji Umaru Mutallab Meets With ...
www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/18/national/main5321252.shtml


Failed British bombing suspect admits he is a 'terrorist'
Nov 19, 2008 ... Failed British bombing suspect admits he is a 'terrorist' ... lawyer whether he told an officer that he was a terrorist after being arrested ...
www.indianexpress.com/news/failed-british-bombing-suspect-admits-he


Accused 9/11 Mastermind to Face Civilian Trial in N.Y. - NYTimes.com
Nov 14, 2009 ... “We should not be increasing the danger of another terrorist strike against ... 2009); Detainee to Question 9/11 Suspect (August 23, 2009) ...
www.nytimes.com/2009/11/14/us/14terror.html


BBC NEWS | UK | England | Gloucestershire | Terror suspect admits ...
Feb 28, 2005 ... Terror suspect Saajid Badat pleads guilty to conspiring to blow up an aircraft. ... fellow Briton Richard Reid and a Belgian terrorist to make the bomb. ... The court heard he had agreed to be a suicide bomber with the ...
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/gloucestershire/4304223.stm


NYC Terror Plot Suspect Admits al Qaeda Ties, Official Says - ABC News
Sep 18, 2009 ... Official: Terror Plot Suspect Admits al Qaeda Ties, May Plead Guilty ... plea would be part of a deal to cooperate with the government. ...
abcnews.go.com/Blotter/nyc-terror-plot-suspect-admits-al-qaeda-ties


Terror Suspect Najibullah Zazi Admits Ties To Al Qaida ...
Target Of NY Bomb Plot Probe Admits Terrorist Ties ... Zazi hasn't been arrested , and his attorney, Arthur Folsom, says he doesn't expect him to be. ...
cbs4denver.com/national/fbi.Najibullah.Zazi.2.1193363.html

Originally posted by Night Watchman

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry


HMMM...insanity must be relative because I was thinking the same about you.

Well, lets see here...if you're saying that JJAy is right and that we should focus on THE ISLAMIC THREAT as opposed to dealing with our own, then you MUST be in defense of our tactics of stamping it out. Or maybe my ability to read between the lines is somehow blurred.

So tell me. If you think that the THOUSANDS of supposed threats are real (and it was quite apparent with your response)....then what is your alternative for stopping it???

You seem to have difficulty with rational thought and so I am questioning whether it is even worth the time it takes to answer you. You do enjoy jumping to conclusions. though, this is clear. It is also fairly evident that you don't require any actual evidence before jumping.

So, let's try to help you understand. I never suggested I supported any war (and given your incoherence you could be referring to the War of 1812) nor have I written that I agree with JJ.

Next stop, baseless conclusion. Please watch your step disembarking.

My only point was that the Islamic Extremist terror threat is real. To suggest otherwise is to reveal oneself as a supreme simpleton. Does our govt use this threat to invoke to further an agenda? Absolutely. That fact doesn't change the reality of the threat.

It is important that we all understand the end game here. It is critically important to understand the concept of Caliphate and how it drives the hatred that leads to the murder of innocent civilians. The fact that our government's foreign policy, at times, provides Islamic Extremists with juicy recruitment tools should not obscure the fact that whether we had troops in the Middle East or not, the ultimate outcome of this terrorist threat would be the same.

Please educate yourself. Or at the very least, stop being so insistent on proving your lack of knowledge.

Hmmm stop this, stop that. Tell me, what is it that you're actually saying??? Because for a guy who has come on so strong at the beginning, your point is being lost in a vague sea of floundering.

And as far as educating myself...Until you've gotten a Master's Degree in Middle Eastern studies, I think that you need to ease up with giving advice.

I'm waiting for your point. And currently, I see none!

reply to post by JBA2848

Oh, I've read all of it. It doesn't mean that I necessarily agree with the details. Its quite easy for someone to create a story as they see fit and spin it round and round. I wasn't there to hear the kid admit to it, so, forgive me for my skepticism. Also, I wasn't next to Colin Powell when he sold the Iraq war to the American public. You saw how that turned out. The media, especially when owned by corporations that lobby politicians, can say anything and the American public falls for it hook, line, and sinker.

Don't think that I doubt your resolve or do not respect your efforts, so far, you've been the strongest proponent for your arguments. JJAY and this other guy have shown nothing in the way of providing research, just strong opinions and asinine attacks.

Thank you for at least being representative of a person with thought and structure.

Well it helps if we have some material to work with.

Thus far the only said such materials is from the news released, so every thing exept info from the investigators is heresay.

But we can try and work with what details are known, or allowed to be known. Each of us can work together in trying to solve or study this incident. Efforts counter to that effect are ill advised, and obviously not productive.

Let's try and stay focused on the subject and not each other. There are u2us for that. Sheesh...


Here is some other info I found on this:

Details are slim. Speculation reigns, even in update.

DD suspects it will literally boil down to the inability of al Qaeda or people inspired by them to get enough materials onto a flight.

BRIEF COMMENTS ON LATEST JERRY-BILT AIRLINE INCENDIARY

Some body is doing a good job of keeping wikipedia updated.
info on flight 253
en.wikipedia.org...
info on terrorist
en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 27-12-2009 by JBA2848]

Originally posted by Night Watchman

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry






My only point was that the Islamic Extremist terror threat is real. To suggest otherwise is to reveal oneself as a supreme simpleton. Does our govt use this threat to invoke to further an agenda? Absolutely. That fact doesn't change the reality of the threat.

It is important that we all understand the end game here. It is critically important to understand the concept of Caliphate and how it drives the hatred that leads to the murder of innocent civilians. The fact that our government's foreign policy, at times, provides Islamic Extremists with juicy recruitment tools should not obscure the fact that whether we had troops in the Middle East or not, the ultimate outcome of this terrorist threat would be the same.

Please educate yourself. Or at the very least, stop being so insistent on proving your lack of knowledge.

Do you think I'm not aware that there is an Islamic threat by tiny factions within the world??? Yes I am. I am also aware that terrorism is not limited to the Islamic faith. However, JJAY was making it sound far worse, and spreading more fear than necessary. JJay even went as far as saying that even your neighbor should be watched because inside their minds may be lurking the undeniable threat of terrorism. THAT"s an extremely dangerous statement. Maybe you should have read all previous posts before posting within a conversation in which YOU STARTED OFF WITH AN ATTACK. You claimed I was spreading ignorance and gave me a congrats for it. Well, until you've looked at all the previous conversations, you're kind've sitting in the middle of a fight that you weren't intended to see.

That being said, I understand your statement, but, it was not at all in context of the argument that was being carried on between JJAY and I.

[edit on 27-12-2009 by EvolvedMinistry]

Heres a scanned copy of the affidavit against Abdul Muttalab.

big.assets.huffingtonpost.com...



[edit on 27-12-2009 by JBA2848]

www.washingtonpost.com...

Authorities say they've detained two men thought to have been acting suspicious aboard a flight bound for Phoenix.

A Transportation Security Administration spokeswoman says passengers aboard U.S. Airways Flight 192 from Orlando, Fla. Saturday night reported that two men were acting strangely.

either were under attack or the TPTB are doin a good job scaring people

A fellow passenger said he saw an escort with the Nigerian man;

While Mutallab was poorly dressed, his friend was dressed in an expensive suit, Haskell said. He says the suited man asked ticket agents whether Mutallab could board without a passport. “The guy said, 'He's from Sudan and we do this all the time.'”

www.newworldorderreport.com... 4/Confirmed-Sharp-dressemd-man-aided-Northwest-flight-Christmas-Bomber-Umar-Mutallab-onto-plane-without-passport-Who-was-involved-why-dont-we-know-abo ut-this-other-suspect.aspx




[edit to add]
Why can't I say Nigerian on here?



[edit on 27-12-2009 by Clearskies]

One man's personal jihad against a nation does warrant war. People do not scream global terrorism when a Christian assassinates an abortionist. There are many people who wish to see America destroyed but do we have to go to war with every country that harbors terrorists? It's been a known commodity for a long time now.

Terrorists are like weeds. You can rip them from the Earth but they always find a way to grow back.

reply to post by Clearskies


i mentioned this earlier, any leads on who this escort was?

reply to post by TheCoffinman


not that I know of............
That's weird.
Also, I didn't read all the pages, so I didn't see your post, sorry!

[edit on 27-12-2009 by Clearskies]

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry


I'm waiting for your point. And currently, I see none!

A clue to finding the point might be where it reads, " My only point was..."

Good luck.