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Man Attempts to Set Off Explosives on Plane

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posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 07:57 PM
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Here's a working link to the quote you posted.

www.mlive.com...




posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 08:20 PM
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www.nytimes.com...


In the midst of two unfinished major wars, the United States has quietly opened a third, largely covert front against Al Qaeda in Yemen.


i thought this relavent to the convo... this thread needs more detectives and investigators in here... we need to fit the pieces together here peeps.



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 08:32 PM
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It is misleading to speak of multiple wars, when in fact these are multiple fronts. Americans should be glad and proud that our government is following through with its rightful commitment to prevent terrorism of any kind from reaching our shores again.

It is disgraceful, but not surprising that NYT resorts to these Tokyo Rose-type antics.



[edit on 2009/12/27 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by Chad_Thomas89
One man's personal jihad against a nation does warrant war. People do not scream global terrorism when a Christian assassinates an abortionist. There are many people who wish to see America destroyed but do we have to go to war with every country that harbors terrorists? It's been a known commodity for a long time now.

Terrorists are like weeds. You can rip them from the Earth but they always find a way to grow back.


with that in mind,
www.thesun.co.uk...

25 Brits in jet bomb plots?

By ANTHONY FRANCE
Crime Reporter
and ALEX WEST

Published: Today
COPS fear that 25 British-born Muslims are plotting to bomb Western airliners.

The fanatics, in five groups, are now training at secret terror camps in Yemen.

It was there London-educated Umar Abdulmutallab, 23, prepared for his Christmas Day bid to blow up a US jet.

The British extremists in Yemen are in their early 20s and from Bradford, Luton and Leytonstone, East London.

They are due to return to the UK early in 2010 and will then await internet instructions from al-Qaeda on when to strike.

A Scotland Yard source said: "The great fear is Abdulmutallab is the first of many ready to attack planes and kill tens of thousands.

"We know there are four or five radicalised British Muslim cells in the Yemen.

"They are due back within months when they will be under constant surveillance."

The 25 suspects, of Pakistani and Somali descent, were radicalised in UK mosques.

Some had been to university and studied engineering or computer sciences.

Others were former street gang members.

Special Branch monitored them as they flew to Yemen, in the Middle East, from British airports in the spring and summer.

In almost every case, their tickets were paid for in cash and bought less than a week before travel.

The source added: "Imams would have promised them rewards in heaven for becoming suicide bombers prepared to kill Westerners."

Read more: www.thesun.co.uk...


The 25 suspects, of Pakistani and Somali descent, were radicalised in UK mosques.

I think this is what his father feared.

Detroit terror attack: 25,000 passengers hit by delays at British airports

www.telegraph.co.uk...

[edit on 083131p://bSunday2009 by Stormdancer777]



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 08:39 PM
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Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan
was connected with and in contact with
Anwar al-Awlakiwho targets US Muslims with radical online lectures encouraging terrorist attacks from his new home in Yemen but had previous addresses in the US Al-Awlaki served as an Imam in Fort Collins, Colorado, and then of the Masjid Ar-Ribat al-Islami mosque in San Diego, California, from 1996-2000.
On Dec 24 they may have killed him when they bombed him in Yemen.
Sources: Air Strike in Yemen May Have Killed Imam Who Inspired Fort Hood Shooter, Two Top Al Qaeda Officials

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab is beleived to have comtact with Anwar al-Awlaki in the past.

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab


Abdulmutallab apparently visited Yemen before returning to Nigeria in December 2009, telling his family he had travelled there to learn Arabic. His father was reportedly worried that his son had come into contact with radical Islamists while in Yemen, and he reported his son's movements to the U.S. authorities.[4] The senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, Representative Pete Hoekstra, said officials in the Obama administration and officials with law enforcement information access told him that Abdulmutallab may have had contact with Anwar al-Awlaki




[edit on 27-12-2009 by JBA2848]



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by JBA2848

On Dec 24 they may have killed him when they bombed him in Yemen.



I hope that's true.

If true, I hope it can be confirmed.



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 08:48 PM
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It would be interesting to find out who Anwar al-Awlaki banker was for his Islamic Jihad on the west and see if it was the Dec 25 bombers father.



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 08:50 PM
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And they don't know where these 25 people are, eh?
That's about the size of 911 but not including those in the US and Canada, so there could be 100 out there.
Oh yeah, this could get interesting.



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 08:55 PM
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www.webcitation.org... am-who-inspired-fort-hood-shooter-two-top-al-qaeda-officials.html&date=2009-12-24

This is a article from Dec 24.


The sources would not get into whether the air raid was conducted by US or Yemeni forces.

US officials are still seeking confirmation that the raid definitively killed the three men.

Earlier this year, al-Wahayshi, a Yemeni, called for shariah law for Yemen. "The time for the rule of Islam has come so that you could bask in the justice and tolerance it brings," he said. He described the president of Yemen, Ali Abdullah Saleh, who has cooperated with the US in fighting al Qaeda, as "an infidel and an agent ... and today he is using all forms of oppression with the pretext of preserving unity."

Last month al-Wahayshi called for attacks on Western airports and trains. Writing in an e-magazine Sada al-Malahem, al-Wahayshi told supporters, "You do not need to exert great effort or spend a lot of money to make 10 grams of explosives, more or less. Do not spend a long time searching for materials as they already exist in your mother's kitchen. Make them (bombs) in the shape of a bomb you hurl, or detonate through a timer or a remote detonator or a martyrdom-seeker belt or any electrical appliance."


"You do not need to exert great effort or spend a lot of money to make 10 grams of explosives, more or less. Do not spend a long time searching for materials as they already exist in your mother's kitchen. "

That sounds like what was used on Dec 25 attempted bombing. Except it failed to go off.


[edit on 27-12-2009 by JBA2848]



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 09:10 PM
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Great post.

Here's a working link to your quote.

blogs.abcnews.com



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 09:21 PM
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He had excelled in Islamic scholarship at the British school and gained a reputation for preaching to other students, said Mr Rimmer.

Mr Rimmer said his former student had always been "very religious" and occasionally aired opinions which were "a bit over the top".

"In 2001 we had a number of class discussions about the Taliban. All the other Muslim kids in the class thought they were just a bunch of nutters, but Umar spoke in their defence," said Mr Rimmer.

But he assumed Mr Abdulmutallab was "just playing devil's advocate, trying to keep the discussion going".
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This quote bothers me that it dooesn't get more attention.
"In 2001 we had a number of class discussions about the Taliban. All the other Muslim kids in the class thought they were just a bunch of nutters, but Umar spoke in their defence."



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by JBA2848
news.bbc.co.uk...


He had excelled in Islamic scholarship at the British school and gained a reputation for preaching to other students, said Mr Rimmer.

Mr Rimmer said his former student had always been "very religious" and occasionally aired opinions which were "a bit over the top".

"In 2001 we had a number of class discussions about the Taliban. All the other Muslim kids in the class thought they were just a bunch of nutters, but Umar spoke in their defence," said Mr Rimmer.

But he assumed Mr Abdulmutallab was "just playing devil's advocate, trying to keep the discussion going".
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This quote bothers me that it dooesn't get more attention.
"In 2001 we had a number of class discussions about the Taliban. All the other Muslim kids in the class thought they were just a bunch of nutters, but Umar spoke in their defence."


That is a very curious quote. Not only does it show us that, apparently, a good cross section of educated, worldly Muslims think that the Taliban are simply crazy, but this could also show Abdulmutallab's mental health. Quite simply, if he was active in the Taliban, like any other good secret group in the world he would be chastised for speaking out, even in a school setting. Since him speaking out would attract attention to their cause, especially in a post 9-11 world where anything extremist is looked at suspiciously. However, since he did speak out, one can assume that there was nothing "keeping him in check" from voicing his own opinions.

This is just my two cents worth, but the man just sounds like he has attached his own beliefs onto the facade of something much more greater than him, leading him to act while thinking this group that he has never heard of will reward him in some bizarre way. Please tell me I am making some sort of sense!



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 11:02 PM
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You just described the main tactic that the described group is looking for. What you think is odd is a hoped for outcome. The many headed hydra effect. Even if he wasn't connected - which he almost certainly was - it wouldn't matter because what they are hoping for is what you describe.



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by Chad_Thomas89
One man's personal jihad against a nation does warrant war. People do not scream global terrorism when a Christian assassinates an abortionist. There are many people who wish to see America destroyed but do we have to go to war with every country that harbors terrorists? It's been a known commodity for a long time now.

Terrorists are like weeds. You can rip them from the Earth but they always find a way to grow back.


Excellently stated. You got a star from me. There's been too much focus on the little guy and not enough focus on the real threat. As we sit wondering when the next Bin Laden will jump out of the bushes, there are real powers aligning against America that seems to go unnoticed.



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by Night Watchman

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry


I'm waiting for your point. And currently, I see none!


A clue to finding the point might be where it reads, " My only point was..."

Good luck.


ahhh, you didn't see my second post to you...did you? I think that you have underestimated my reasoning skills. Like I said before, you came in the middle of a conversation that another member and I were having. If you go back and look at all of it, you might find that I was attacking JJay's logic...not yours. I did wonder though, why you would jump into a scenario where you weren't totally aware of the statements being made. And that's the reason you and I had the exchange that we had. I have nothing against you, I just wish you would have checked out the content of the conversation before you made a decision to attack.



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 01:33 AM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
It is misleading to speak of multiple wars, when in fact these are multiple fronts. Americans should be glad and proud that our government is following through with its rightful commitment to prevent terrorism of any kind from reaching our shores again.

It is disgraceful, but not surprising that NYT resorts to these Tokyo Rose-type antics.



[edit on 2009/12/27 by GradyPhilpott]


We will never prevent terrorism from reaching our shores if we continue with the same misguided attempt to stamp it out. EVER. By attacking Iraq (a nation that never attacked us, and that we supported financially as well as with weapons) we put a massive bulls eye on our territory. We cannot continue to support warlords within regions that are of no interest to us other than natural resources. We are gaining powerful enemies, and one of them is currently supporting our economy and wars (China). I want you to keep in mind that China utilizes almost as much oil as the American civilization and at some point, it will become more. What do you think is going to happen when Peak Oil declines to 20%? At some point, China will simply pull our cards and sell our stocks on the open market WHICH WILL BREAK US WITHOUT A FIRE SHOT. When that happens, they will become the top country for imports and exports. THAT'S THE ENDGAME, and so far they are ahead. Do not underestimate the power of financial leverage. We owe them TRILLIONS of dollars and right now, we're still in a shaky position due to our debt. Without money, there's no military, food, electric, water, heat, or anything else that will sustain our current way of life. There's a reason why everyone wants to go "green", and it has nothing to do with the betterment of society.

These wars are destroying us and Russia found that out first hand when they invaded and tried to occupy Afghanistan. History is repeating itself, and I should not have to remind you of what happened to Russia during the 80's.



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 02:09 AM
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The only people who obviously gain from terrorism are the security services payed to deal with them.
It should be noted that it will never be in the interests of those government agencies who profit from terrorism to eradicate it.
It will remain in their interests to covertly support it.
There is a conflict of interest there.



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 02:19 AM
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I don't get it why is this person being treathed as just a criminal act ..

It was an enemy just in the old way he is a soldier for an enemy force and even if its not a country who attacks its an political religious ideology just like in ww2 we werent only at war with germany but against facism and national socialism .

we have to take this the same way we did any other enemy soldiers we have to take them in too gitmo and put him before militair court not for civil court its not a crime it was an act of terror and just like the japanese attacks in the late part of ww2 .. the Japanese fighter planes went kamikaze and that was the same as suicide bombers today those japanese soldiers when it went wrong and lived were to trail before militair court .. so this men has to go before it too.

yes I am not American but even I can see and tell that the closure of Gitmo is not got because we need to get those people as far away of our borders as possible until its really sure they aren't terrorist.
People forget that those people in Gitmo are taken from area's as Iraq and Afghanistan and were taken alive after they attacked our soldiers , we know they are guilty.. and it is that we have international law that we have to take them alive and put them before court and judge them.
This alone is faulty because if we take 200 persons alive and try to judge them and we now and can proof they are guilty we have 200 death penalty's and 200 martyrs life on tv they will inspire the youth of there ideology.
If it was up to me we should not take prisoners of war just shoot to kill and leave non alive .. max force with as less civilian casualty.
We don't want to create martyrs and free publicity by taking the to places as gitmo .. gitmo can only be closed if we start taking the afghanistan war and the war on terror seriously .. and that means if some one is resisting our force there we should fight to take them alive because that takes time and casualties on our side.
if being fired apon just blow up the building and if terrorist are stil alive after that and you control if they are stil alive you should be human and shoot them if they are stil alive because ifwe take them alive they get back on there feet and put before civil court in US they will be set free went back to places as yemen and go back and blow up or try to do it just like this Nigerian men did try.
We have had gitmo detainnees set free because the civilian court couldnt do a thing and they went back to nation they were taken from and 2 months later those same gitmo terrorist went back killing our brave soldiers by using road side bomb / IED's and blowing them self up.



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 06:21 AM
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Just found some new info.


Christmas Bomber False Flag?

When one examines the official version, more problems become apparent. Initial reports stated that the man was on the government's "No-Fly List". This raised the obvious question of how he was even able to make it aboard the airplane. The stories were quickly changed to state that, while he was in some mysterious "law enforcement-intelligence database", he was not on the No-Fly List.


ABC


According to the feds, the suspect says that the explosive device he used was acquired in Yemen. Interestingly, Anwar Al-Awlaki ran away to Yemen. He was an extreme Islamic preacher and a likely US Intelligence "handler" who had connections to the 9/11 "hijackers", 7/7 "bombers", Fort Dix "terrorist plotters", Toronto 18 "terrorist plotters", and the Fort Hood "shooter". Al-Awlaki is said to have been killed in a recent raid by the Yemeni security forces, but it is very possible that his role as a "handler" was becoming to obvious, and that his "death" was really just a retirement. Is it possible that Al-Awlaki provided this new "terrorist" with explosives?

Another issue is the FBI's presence at the airport when the plane landed:

Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent Sandra R. Berchtold from the Detroit office confirmed that the FBI was at the airport, but she would not comment further


ABC


If all authorities knew was that there were indications of a "fire" on the plane, then why was the FBI already set-up at the airport? From the above article excerpt, you can see that they're quite tight-lipped about it, so don't bother asking them.

The government has ignored these problems, and instead has opted to conclusively state that the attack was planned by "Al Qaeda in Yemen".


abc


They've also gone into detail about the explosives, which turn out to have been military:

Investigators say the suspect had more than 80 grams of PETN, a compound related to nitro-glycerin used by the military.


abc


How "Al Qaeda of Yemen" got their hands on military explosives is anyone's guess. Personally, I would assert that "Al Qaeda of Yemen" is little more than an extension of the military and the intelligence services (CIA).

Interestingly, it turns out that the bomber is the son of a wealthy banker, who is now burying him in the press as a "radical" and a "terrorist".


huliq


The heroic passenger who subdued the bomber turns out to be a "video director/producer" from Amsterdam. Certainly a professional in the art of stagery/drama, right?


dailynews

We're left with quite a few questions:

-Why did different news services provide different names for the suspect?

-Why did initial reports state that the suspect was on the No-Fly List?

-Why was the suspect on a "terror" watch list?

-Why was the FBI waiting at the airport when the plane landed and why are it's officials being so tight-lipped about this fact?

-What contact, if any, did the suspect have with Anwar Al-Awlaki?

-What was the purpose of the suspect's 11-day trip to Houston, Texas during August 2008? What did he do on this trip?

-Why was his father concerned that his son had become radicalized? Was it his warning, six months before, that put the suspect on the terror list?

-How did the suspect obtain military explosives?

-Is his father connected through the banks to the aristocracy, secret societies, or intelligence community?

-Was there more to Jasper Schuringa's act of heroism than we've been told? What is his history as a video director/producer? Why does his photograph look fake?


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UCL today confirmed that a 23-year-old called Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab studied at the university from 2005 to 2008.

A UCL spokesman said: “Media outlets are suggesting several different names for the man arrested in connection with an attempted act of terrorism on Northwest Airlines Flight 253 in the early hours of December 26th.

“UCL can confirm that a student by the name of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was enrolled on a Mechanical Engineering course at the institution between September 2005 and June 2008.

“However, it must be stressed that the university has no evidence that this is the same person currently being referred to in the media.


timesonline

This advertisement for University College London states:



Course advisors include Met Police, BTP, SOCA, ACPO, SO15, MI6, MoD, NaCTSO, and RUSI.


courses-careers.com... rism.html" target="_blank" class="postlink">course-careers

Certainly, British Intelligence is very present there.

And get a load of who the suspect's father is:


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Members of a wealthy Nigerian family have confirmed to journalists that he is the son of the former chairman of First Bank of Nigeria, the BBC's Caroline Duffield reports from Lagos.


bbc

And here's what we may find on the official CRIMINAL COMPLAINT of the United States District Court (at page 5 of this PDF) :

And here's what we may find on the official CRIMINAL COMPLAINT of the United States District Court (at page 5 of this PDF) :


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"One flight attendant stated that she asked ABDULMUTALLAB what he had in his pocket, and he replied "explosive device".


turner



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 06:27 AM
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Ah - if only all terrorists were that honest and helpful ...

Check this out -- detailed information about the flight from December 23 to today, but no mention of the incident. Not even any mention of any delay!

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In case anything happens to that SMOKING GUN page, here are some screen-caps:

tinypic
tinypic


After the drama, none of the three return flights of Northwest Air from Detroit to Amsterdam was cancelled. Of the two flights that would have been affected by Flight 253, one arrived back in Amsterdam only an hour late, and the other was early.

INFO FROM NORTHWEST AIRLINES TIMETABLES for Dec 17 thru Jan 4

Amsterdam to Detroit daily flights
flight 253 arriving at 11:40 AM uses ‘A333’
flight 243 arriving at 1:30 PM uses ‘A332’
flight 249 arriving at 5:35 PM uses ‘A333’

Detroit to Amsterdam daily flights
flight 252 departing at 4:00 PM uses ‘A332’
flight 242 departing at 5:55 PM uses ‘A333’
flight 248 departing at 9:55 PM uses ‘A333’

INFO FROM PARTNER KLM FLIGHT STATUS PAGE for arrivals on Dec 26

NW252 scheduled departure 16:00 actual departure 18:17 on Dec 25
Scheduled arrival 05:55 actual arrival 08:42 on Dec 26
Shown as A332 so by deduction usually uses the same plane as flight 243 and may not have been affected by flight 253. It arrived in Amsterdam about 3 hrs late.

NW242 scheduled departure 17:55 actual departure 19:19 on Dec 25
Scheduled arrival 07:55 actual arrival 09:05 on Dec 26
Shown as A333 so by deduction usually uses the same plane as flight 253. It arrived in Amsterdam only about 1 hour late.

NW248 scheduled departure 21:55 actual departure 21:47 on Dec 25
Scheduled arrival 11:40 actual arrival 11:37 on Dec 26
Shown as A333 so by deduction usually uses the same plane as flight 249. It arrived in Amsterdam early.

check this out:.


mlive


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An Indian man in a nicely dressed suit around age 50 approached the check in counter with the terrorist and said "This man needs to get on this flight and he has no passport." The two of them were an odd pair as the terrorist is a short, black man that looked like he was very poor and looks around age 17(Although I think he is 23 he doesn't look it). It did not cross my mind that they were terrorists, only that the two looked weird together. The ticket taker said "you can't board without a passport". The Indian man then replied, "He is from Sudan, we do this all the time". I can only take from this to mean that it is difficult to get passports from Sudan and this was some sort of sympathy ploy. The ticket taker then said "You will have to talk to my manager", and sent the two down a hallway. I never saw the Indian man again as he wasn't on the flight. It was also weird that the terrorist never said a word in this exchange. Anyway, somehow, the terrorist still made it onto the plane. I am not sure if it was a bribe or just sympathy from the security manager.

Who was this mysterious "suit" and why is this detail not being scrutinized by the major newsmedia organizations?

Notable things:
-Mutallab did not have documentation that could get him onto the plane.
-A mysterious man in a nice suit suddenly appeared and facilitated his entry.
-Mutallab didn't look his age at all.
-There was a second Indian man arrested at the airport.
-Passengers were held on the plane 20 minutes after it landed.

Our perp:
-Indian
-Around 50 years old
-Sharply dressed, Obviously wealthy

Not much to go on, but if this story is real, we have a suspect for the 'handler'.


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