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In the midst of two unfinished major wars, the United States has quietly opened a third, largely covert front against Al Qaeda in Yemen.
Originally posted by Chad_Thomas89
One man's personal jihad against a nation does warrant war. People do not scream global terrorism when a Christian assassinates an abortionist. There are many people who wish to see America destroyed but do we have to go to war with every country that harbors terrorists? It's been a known commodity for a long time now.
Terrorists are like weeds. You can rip them from the Earth but they always find a way to grow back.
By ANTHONY FRANCE
Crime Reporter
and ALEX WEST
Published: Today
COPS fear that 25 British-born Muslims are plotting to bomb Western airliners.
The fanatics, in five groups, are now training at secret terror camps in Yemen.
It was there London-educated Umar Abdulmutallab, 23, prepared for his Christmas Day bid to blow up a US jet.
The British extremists in Yemen are in their early 20s and from Bradford, Luton and Leytonstone, East London.
They are due to return to the UK early in 2010 and will then await internet instructions from al-Qaeda on when to strike.
A Scotland Yard source said: "The great fear is Abdulmutallab is the first of many ready to attack planes and kill tens of thousands.
"We know there are four or five radicalised British Muslim cells in the Yemen.
"They are due back within months when they will be under constant surveillance."
The 25 suspects, of Pakistani and Somali descent, were radicalised in UK mosques.
Some had been to university and studied engineering or computer sciences.
Others were former street gang members.
Special Branch monitored them as they flew to Yemen, in the Middle East, from British airports in the spring and summer.
In almost every case, their tickets were paid for in cash and bought less than a week before travel.
The source added: "Imams would have promised them rewards in heaven for becoming suicide bombers prepared to kill Westerners."
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Abdulmutallab apparently visited Yemen before returning to Nigeria in December 2009, telling his family he had travelled there to learn Arabic. His father was reportedly worried that his son had come into contact with radical Islamists while in Yemen, and he reported his son's movements to the U.S. authorities.[4] The senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, Representative Pete Hoekstra, said officials in the Obama administration and officials with law enforcement information access told him that Abdulmutallab may have had contact with Anwar al-Awlaki
Originally posted by JBA2848
On Dec 24 they may have killed him when they bombed him in Yemen.
The sources would not get into whether the air raid was conducted by US or Yemeni forces.
US officials are still seeking confirmation that the raid definitively killed the three men.
Earlier this year, al-Wahayshi, a Yemeni, called for shariah law for Yemen. "The time for the rule of Islam has come so that you could bask in the justice and tolerance it brings," he said. He described the president of Yemen, Ali Abdullah Saleh, who has cooperated with the US in fighting al Qaeda, as "an infidel and an agent ... and today he is using all forms of oppression with the pretext of preserving unity."
Last month al-Wahayshi called for attacks on Western airports and trains. Writing in an e-magazine Sada al-Malahem, al-Wahayshi told supporters, "You do not need to exert great effort or spend a lot of money to make 10 grams of explosives, more or less. Do not spend a long time searching for materials as they already exist in your mother's kitchen. Make them (bombs) in the shape of a bomb you hurl, or detonate through a timer or a remote detonator or a martyrdom-seeker belt or any electrical appliance."
He had excelled in Islamic scholarship at the British school and gained a reputation for preaching to other students, said Mr Rimmer.
Mr Rimmer said his former student had always been "very religious" and occasionally aired opinions which were "a bit over the top".
"In 2001 we had a number of class discussions about the Taliban. All the other Muslim kids in the class thought they were just a bunch of nutters, but Umar spoke in their defence," said Mr Rimmer.
But he assumed Mr Abdulmutallab was "just playing devil's advocate, trying to keep the discussion going".
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Originally posted by JBA2848
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He had excelled in Islamic scholarship at the British school and gained a reputation for preaching to other students, said Mr Rimmer.
Mr Rimmer said his former student had always been "very religious" and occasionally aired opinions which were "a bit over the top".
"In 2001 we had a number of class discussions about the Taliban. All the other Muslim kids in the class thought they were just a bunch of nutters, but Umar spoke in their defence," said Mr Rimmer.
But he assumed Mr Abdulmutallab was "just playing devil's advocate, trying to keep the discussion going".
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This quote bothers me that it dooesn't get more attention.
"In 2001 we had a number of class discussions about the Taliban. All the other Muslim kids in the class thought they were just a bunch of nutters, but Umar spoke in their defence."
Originally posted by Chad_Thomas89
One man's personal jihad against a nation does warrant war. People do not scream global terrorism when a Christian assassinates an abortionist. There are many people who wish to see America destroyed but do we have to go to war with every country that harbors terrorists? It's been a known commodity for a long time now.
Terrorists are like weeds. You can rip them from the Earth but they always find a way to grow back.
Originally posted by Night Watchman
Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
I'm waiting for your point. And currently, I see none!
A clue to finding the point might be where it reads, " My only point was..."
Good luck.
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
It is misleading to speak of multiple wars, when in fact these are multiple fronts. Americans should be glad and proud that our government is following through with its rightful commitment to prevent terrorism of any kind from reaching our shores again.
It is disgraceful, but not surprising that NYT resorts to these Tokyo Rose-type antics.
[edit on 2009/12/27 by GradyPhilpott]
Christmas Bomber False Flag?
When one examines the official version, more problems become apparent. Initial reports stated that the man was on the government's "No-Fly List". This raised the obvious question of how he was even able to make it aboard the airplane. The stories were quickly changed to state that, while he was in some mysterious "law enforcement-intelligence database", he was not on the No-Fly List.
According to the feds, the suspect says that the explosive device he used was acquired in Yemen. Interestingly, Anwar Al-Awlaki ran away to Yemen. He was an extreme Islamic preacher and a likely US Intelligence "handler" who had connections to the 9/11 "hijackers", 7/7 "bombers", Fort Dix "terrorist plotters", Toronto 18 "terrorist plotters", and the Fort Hood "shooter". Al-Awlaki is said to have been killed in a recent raid by the Yemeni security forces, but it is very possible that his role as a "handler" was becoming to obvious, and that his "death" was really just a retirement. Is it possible that Al-Awlaki provided this new "terrorist" with explosives?
Another issue is the FBI's presence at the airport when the plane landed:
Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent Sandra R. Berchtold from the Detroit office confirmed that the FBI was at the airport, but she would not comment further
If all authorities knew was that there were indications of a "fire" on the plane, then why was the FBI already set-up at the airport? From the above article excerpt, you can see that they're quite tight-lipped about it, so don't bother asking them.
The government has ignored these problems, and instead has opted to conclusively state that the attack was planned by "Al Qaeda in Yemen".
They've also gone into detail about the explosives, which turn out to have been military:
Investigators say the suspect had more than 80 grams of PETN, a compound related to nitro-glycerin used by the military.
How "Al Qaeda of Yemen" got their hands on military explosives is anyone's guess. Personally, I would assert that "Al Qaeda of Yemen" is little more than an extension of the military and the intelligence services (CIA).
Interestingly, it turns out that the bomber is the son of a wealthy banker, who is now burying him in the press as a "radical" and a "terrorist".
The heroic passenger who subdued the bomber turns out to be a "video director/producer" from Amsterdam. Certainly a professional in the art of stagery/drama, right?
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UCL today confirmed that a 23-year-old called Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab studied at the university from 2005 to 2008.
A UCL spokesman said: “Media outlets are suggesting several different names for the man arrested in connection with an attempted act of terrorism on Northwest Airlines Flight 253 in the early hours of December 26th.
“UCL can confirm that a student by the name of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was enrolled on a Mechanical Engineering course at the institution between September 2005 and June 2008.
“However, it must be stressed that the university has no evidence that this is the same person currently being referred to in the media.
Course advisors include Met Police, BTP, SOCA, ACPO, SO15, MI6, MoD, NaCTSO, and RUSI.
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Members of a wealthy Nigerian family have confirmed to journalists that he is the son of the former chairman of First Bank of Nigeria, the BBC's Caroline Duffield reports from Lagos.
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"One flight attendant stated that she asked ABDULMUTALLAB what he had in his pocket, and he replied "explosive device".
After the drama, none of the three return flights of Northwest Air from Detroit to Amsterdam was cancelled. Of the two flights that would have been affected by Flight 253, one arrived back in Amsterdam only an hour late, and the other was early.
INFO FROM NORTHWEST AIRLINES TIMETABLES for Dec 17 thru Jan 4
Amsterdam to Detroit daily flights
flight 253 arriving at 11:40 AM uses ‘A333’
flight 243 arriving at 1:30 PM uses ‘A332’
flight 249 arriving at 5:35 PM uses ‘A333’
Detroit to Amsterdam daily flights
flight 252 departing at 4:00 PM uses ‘A332’
flight 242 departing at 5:55 PM uses ‘A333’
flight 248 departing at 9:55 PM uses ‘A333’
INFO FROM PARTNER KLM FLIGHT STATUS PAGE for arrivals on Dec 26
NW252 scheduled departure 16:00 actual departure 18:17 on Dec 25
Scheduled arrival 05:55 actual arrival 08:42 on Dec 26
Shown as A332 so by deduction usually uses the same plane as flight 243 and may not have been affected by flight 253. It arrived in Amsterdam about 3 hrs late.
NW242 scheduled departure 17:55 actual departure 19:19 on Dec 25
Scheduled arrival 07:55 actual arrival 09:05 on Dec 26
Shown as A333 so by deduction usually uses the same plane as flight 253. It arrived in Amsterdam only about 1 hour late.
NW248 scheduled departure 21:55 actual departure 21:47 on Dec 25
Scheduled arrival 11:40 actual arrival 11:37 on Dec 26
Shown as A333 so by deduction usually uses the same plane as flight 249. It arrived in Amsterdam early.
check this out:.
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An Indian man in a nicely dressed suit around age 50 approached the check in counter with the terrorist and said "This man needs to get on this flight and he has no passport." The two of them were an odd pair as the terrorist is a short, black man that looked like he was very poor and looks around age 17(Although I think he is 23 he doesn't look it). It did not cross my mind that they were terrorists, only that the two looked weird together. The ticket taker said "you can't board without a passport". The Indian man then replied, "He is from Sudan, we do this all the time". I can only take from this to mean that it is difficult to get passports from Sudan and this was some sort of sympathy ploy. The ticket taker then said "You will have to talk to my manager", and sent the two down a hallway. I never saw the Indian man again as he wasn't on the flight. It was also weird that the terrorist never said a word in this exchange. Anyway, somehow, the terrorist still made it onto the plane. I am not sure if it was a bribe or just sympathy from the security manager.
Who was this mysterious "suit" and why is this detail not being scrutinized by the major newsmedia organizations?
Notable things:
-Mutallab did not have documentation that could get him onto the plane.
-A mysterious man in a nice suit suddenly appeared and facilitated his entry.
-Mutallab didn't look his age at all.
-There was a second Indian man arrested at the airport.
-Passengers were held on the plane 20 minutes after it landed.
Our perp:
-Indian
-Around 50 years old
-Sharply dressed, Obviously wealthy
Not much to go on, but if this story is real, we have a suspect for the 'handler'.