Man Attempts to Set Off Explosives on Plane

Sky are saying the guy is NOT a baddy-sounds like he got paranoid and locked himself in the toilet for an hour or so...
Crazy or what.We shall never know what went on as usual.

Although a super paranoid Nigerian on the same next flight is not that much of a stretch-I bet everyone was staring at him..

"Why are they staring at me?" he thinks-Screw this I'm off to hide in the toilet from the weird staring people,says the Nigerian on his trip to America.

Thats probably what happened.

Ok, so let's break this down in a general way, just so everyone has at least the basic facts straight ( aka, I'm having a hard time keeping up with this! Damn MSM moving quickly! )


Christmas Day - Nigerian ignites a ball of a chemical that cannot be sensed by most scanners at airports on a plane. His father did warn people before his son flew, and this is well documented. So far, no one really knows if he is an extremist, or just delusional. He is Islamic, but again, no ties.

We have our usual MSM running around, spewing factoids and using graphics to excite viewers and listeners alike. Things are moving fast, and since this is the Christmas season, many people are traveling by air and are watching this carefully. I am sure some of this is out of pure fear. In today's age of slow lives and sheltered living, even such a horrific thing as these happenings cause people to jump interally and remind themselves that they still can feel. So, in my mind, 1/2 of the MSM coverage is due to fearmongering, and the other half is due to bland lives.

Today - A "disruptive passenger" who spent an hour in the bathroom, and became angry when asked to leave, has now been detained at Detroit, on the very same plane that was involved in the Christmas Day incident. As of 2:26PM, this is all I know from the Net and occasional glances at the MSM. They keep restating issues over and over again.


Ok, that is my personal summary. I would like to say, however, that this does worry me ( I am currently staying with my boyfriend, and I have to fly back on Delta on Tuesday ) and I am watching this and am slightly nervous about my flight on Tuesday. The Christmas Day incident could be anything from a true attack, to just a mentally ill person. Today's incident could just be a drunk guy ( He WAS flying out of Amsterdam. . . ) or could be another dry run.

Please add things to my list if I missed something!

Dry run, keeping our security guessing, making us be alert for 60 hours until we become tired and fall asleep. Standard operation. Paying lots of overtime, using the best agents now so when the real thing happens they will be resting and exhausted.
What would you do if you were a terrorist organization?

reply to post by TheCoffinman

also i wonder if since perhaps "flight 253" was targeted twice, if there is any signifigance associated with the number 253...

Yeah, see this is how it goes. 2+5+3 = 10. 10 - 3= 7. 7-5 = 2. 2-2 = 0. 0 = no more planes.

This is an ATS exclusive...

[edit on 27-12-2009 by EMPIRE]

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You might find this to be of interest.

'Aggressive intervention': After Flt. 93, travelers react to threats

"I don't think people are going to sit back and let somebody kill them in the process of fulfilling their extremist agenda or whatever it happens to be," said Dave Heffernan, who helps oversee self-defense training for commercial flight crews at Valenica Community College in Orlando, Florida. "People have talked about it. They've thought about it. They have a plan of action."

[Dutch tourist Jasper] Schuringa, of Amsterdam, told CNN that he didn't think about his own safety when he extinguished the fire with his hands. He and other passengers said that several people on board, including members of the flight crew, then joined him in taking Mutallab to first class to strip off his clothes and search for any more explosives.

"In a matter of minutes everything was settled down. ... The passengers were proactive. We just did it. There was nothing to talk about," said Syed Jafry, 57.

www.usatoday.com...

This is best kind of security there is, not that other methods are not needed. But, when terrorists know that on an airliner there will be resistance and the likelihood of their goals being achieved diminished, then perhaps they will look elsewhere.

This of course means that we must expand our vigilance to other venues.

Ultimately, the best that the free world can achieve is an atmosphere where terrorists are themselves terrified of the people-at-large.



[edit on 2009/12/27 by GradyPhilpott]

Looks like the latest incident is nothing... no links to first incident as there has been no bombs of any nature found on the guy... probably just taking precautions... best to be safe i'd say.... i'm not being prejudice when i say this but we have to be very vigilant of any Muslim convert at this time... they are here to cause problems... you can see it all over the World....

I think these "terrorists" or whoever is running the show has a fetish for planes
Joking aside, i can see many people actually believing this story and then begging the state to remove their rights in exchange for protection.

Just another point for the NWO.

"In Toronto, a terror cell watched videos of Awlaki at a makeshift training camp where an attack was planned on the Canadian parliament and prime minister. "He's a star attraction as a recruiter to young Americans and Canadians," one former American intelligence official told the US media.

This month, in an interview with Al Jazeera, Awlaki expressed surprise that the US military had failed to uncover Hasan's plan, to which he gave his backing. "My support to the operation was because the operation brother Nidal carried out was a courageous one, and I endeavoured to explain my position regarding what happened because many Islamic organisations and preachers in the west condemned the operation," he said.

Awlaki left the US and moved to Yemen in 2002 where he established an English-language website that has thousands of followers around the world. In January 2009, he published an online essay, 44 Ways to Support Jihad, in which he asserts that all Muslims must participate in jihad, whether in person, by funding mujahideen or by fighting the west."
www.guardian.co.uk...

Thousands of others ready to attack the US.
Should get interesting.
Meanwhile... why is Awlaki still allowed to practice? And saved when we tried to take him out?
Did I mention thousands of others ready to attack us?

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Lay off the fear porn. You're always saying something is going to happen yet we're like 140 days past the day you said something would happen that would all force us to fight for our survival. Just live your life and continue as you were, there is nothing to see here.

I just wonder if this guy could have been in or near the same seat and fumes from the previous chemicals could of made him sick to where he spent time in the bathroom from nausea and created a scare. He has been cleared as not being a terrorist is requesting medical care. Just a thought?

reply to post by JBA2848


It is not likely that this was the same aircraft. It is the same flight number, meaning that it takes the same route and is on the same schedule.

Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

Well there are far more efficient ways to achieve what you have described rather than risk an airplane full of people. Sorry, not buying it... because I'm a consumer and have a choice.
Have a nice day.

Really??? Can you name a more efficient of creating terror than by way of transportation? Out of curiosity, what would that be??? Americans are quite addicted to being able to get from one place to the next...so, what aren't you buying again???

Originally posted by JBA2848
reply to post by Jordan River

 

I think your confused the problem is tolerance Christians are taught to tolerate the infedels and muslims are taught to stone them. Jesus said turn the other cheek Mohamed said do onto them twice fold but don't be the one to start the conflict.

Yeah...this is a prime statement. WOW!!! Let me ask you this...what exactly is it about the war in Afghanistan and Iraq that demonstrates "Turning the other Cheek?"

Oh...and what about that little commandment, "Thou shalt not kill." I could have sworn that this was also a part of the Christian creed as well! OOOOOPS. Someone dropped the ball,...didn't they?

Yeah...Christians are taught SO WELL to tolerate others.

However, this is not to back stab the real Christians that actually exists in the world. I have met them, and although they are a rare breed, they are actually on the radar.

[edit on 27-12-2009 by EvolvedMinistry]

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry

Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

Well there are far more efficient ways to achieve what you have described rather than risk an airplane full of people. Sorry, not buying it... because I'm a consumer and have a choice.
Have a nice day.

Really??? Can you name a more efficient of creating terror than by way of transportation? Out of curiosity, what would that be??? Americans are quite addicted to being able to get from one place to the next...so, what aren't you buying again???

I'm not buying that the American public is that important. We just aren't. Sorry to have to tell you. If we all disappeared it wouldn't make that much of a difference. The world would go on and life wouldn't miss a beat. So there is no one out there trying to scare us, make us act a certain way, control us or our thinking. Now if you are talking about hegemony... you are a little off on the concept and how that works.

Yes, there are plenty of ways of creating terror and you can find that definition at the State Department site. Usually includes explosives. I don't think that definition includes "to scare people" because that just isn't real. Maybe that concept comes from prople who are really scared but most First Responders and professionals aren't scared.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
reply to post by JBA2848

 

It is not likely that this was the same aircraft. It is the same flight number, meaning that it takes the same route and is on the same schedule.

Most likely the plane is hangered. But another operative wouldn't know that. I considered that someone would be looking for something left behind or something that was planted maybe even going on a street tip. I'm not believing this was a copy cat. Very curious.

Originally posted by JJay55

I'm not buying that the American public is that important. We just aren't. Sorry to have to tell you. If we all disappeared it wouldn't make that much of a difference.

You can't be serious.

If all US citizens disappeared tomorrow the world economy would immediately collapse and the impact of that would be immense.

You need to think things through a little more thoroughly.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Originally posted by JJay55

I'm not buying that the American public is that important. We just aren't. Sorry to have to tell you. If we all disappeared it wouldn't make that much of a difference.

You can't be serious.

If all US citizens disappeared tomorrow the world economy would immediately collapse and the impact of that would be immense.

You need to think things through a little more thoroughly.

Sorry you missed the point although I expected you would.
We aren't that important. So to think that omnipresence is real is just... unrealistic.
Also if you don't understand the Islamic perspective then you are missing the big picture. They want us to disappear and the world economy too and they still would survive. So let's try to stay on topic.
Terrorism is about Islamic ideology. Look up dar ul Islam and dar ul Harb and it will explain why and how they plan to achieve their goals. One is blowing up planes and killing non-muslims.

Has anyone else picked up on the fact his DAD flew out to Nigeria on Dec 24th for "Undisclosed reasons" along with his Son, then was back in London on Dec 25 with his Son taking the different flight to Amsterdam on Dec 25 also.
I would sure like to see this guys bank statements, I wonder how much the Oversea's NWO Governments paid him off for his son to be a pawn in their agenda.

Originally posted by Jordan River
Only religion that I see doing harmful things is Muslim (men of islam). Don't hear about the Jew bombing in brazil. Or the christian brigade flying down kamikazes over the Israel.

let me see source.

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Are you for real??? Really??? I'll give you some sources...

I would guess to say that if you haven't heard of any crazy Christian behavior, it is because you purposefully seek antisocial content created by militancy among minor percentages of muslim/Islamic factions. Or, you have been primarily watching FOX news. Maybe if you look a little harder, you'll find some frightening information about how detrimental the Christian religion has been historically all the way up to the present day. NEED I MENTION THE CRUSADES AGAIN??? And, lets not forget who mastered the art of war...ROME. And the Romans were...CATHOLIC, well, after they destroyed the idea of multiple Gods.

www.npr.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
www.revisionisthistory.org...
www.30giorni.it...
www.prochoice.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
www.au.af.mil...
www.religioustolerance.org...

Lets not forget Timothy McVeigh...he was also brought up Catholic. And I'll be damned if he didn't do some healthy damage.
en.wikipedia.org...

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Oh Crikey here's another anti-American, anti-government person who wants to convince us all that Islam doesn't exist. Great.
Please don't derail this thread because the mods have posted clear rules and regs, thanks.

AGT.