conscious Oobe....It's Real!!

...fourteen pages of posts...forgive me if I don't read them all.

Just a few things that I have personally found to be helpful:

Try not eating for several hours before your attempts. If you can comfortably fast without discomfort for a while...say 12 to 24 hours, that may help.

Try every night. Even if you fall asleep that's fine. Think about it often during the day. You may find yourself going to sleep one night and becoming conscious of the fact of returning to your body. From this state it is a lot easier to go back out again.

Every guide I've read talks about visualization. I've never found it to be helpful. It may well be that it works for more visually oriented people, but if you're not one of those, don't beat yourself up over it. If it helps you, great, but dont' assume that it's neccesary.

Along that line, just for the record, I've never seen a silver cord.

A few milligrams of melatonin every night before you go to sleep may help. It might also just put you to sleep. Try it for a few months and see if it makes a difference. In my area melatonin is avaiilable at every GNC, and costs about $5 for 60 tablets.

Even if you can't quite leave your body, be aware of the possibliity. You may notice, one day, that even though you're still very obviously "in your body" that you can see in the room all around you even though the lights are off and your eyes are closed.

Along that line...I've found that there is a dinstinct "state" involved, and you may be in that state even though you are still observing from "within your body," but I've personally never been able to leave by simply trying to "imagine reaching for a cord."

If by chance, you ever happen to become totally paralyzed, this is a good thing. It means that you're properly focued into that "state." Now all you need to do is actually leave your body. Again..if this is how it happens to happen for you (and it may not) then once you're in the paraylzed state, do exactly the same thing you would to actually physically move and sit up, but with an awareness that it is actually your energy body that you are moving, not your physical body. You may feel resistance. Go ahead and fight it and simply try to overpower it.

Don't focus too much on the vibrations. They may happen, but they're not the point of what's going on. Don't allow them to distract you from what you're trying to do.

Along that line...by virtue of the fact that I've said not to focus too much on the vibrartions...it's very possible that you might one day suddenly find yourself continuing to practice simpy out of habit...and then suddenly realize that you've been experiencing vibrations...but you juist hadn't been paying attention to them. If this happens, again...just keep doing what you're trying to do. If you get really, really exicted and start anticipating how wonderful iit's going to be when you finally get out and you're almost there and wow! ...that can distract you too. Just stay focused. And...if the excitement is just too much, and too distracting, don't punish yourself. Just enjoy the experience. Pay attention to it. Observe. Remember that you made it closer today. There's always tomorrow.

If you find yourself absolutely, completely and totally terrified, and certain that some horrible dark and nasty creature is waiting just around the corner waiting to eat you the second you leave...don't push it. Try again some other time. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't...but either way fear is not condusive to an OOBE.

Just as a sidenote...while I've not experienced it myself, I've read about a sleep paralysis which sometimes accompanies the traditional alien abduction scenario. It may be that the "alien abduction" is really someone travelling astrally and not realizing it...and having weird experiences in the process. It might be that the paralysis that abductees experience is the result of being partially out of body. I don't know. Whatever the case, I see no harm in paying attention to what's going on around you, and not doing anything you don't feel safe doing.

Once you are succesfully out for your first time, doo't go far, and don't stay out for long. It may be easier to remember if it's a short trip.

The quality of your experience may vary. You may or may not be in touch with the usual set of senses. For example, you might be able to hear and feel things, but not see them. Or any other combination. If this happens, don't worry about it. Just be aware.

I personally find the arms much easier to get out than the rest of me. Once you have your arms out, try reaching for something...a bedpost, for instance, and using it to pull the rest of you out.

Remember that once you go back "into your body" you don't have to leave the state. You can continue to think and observe before you sink back into control of the physical form. In fact, you may even be able to leave and and go back in a few times.




[edit on 5-7-2005 by LordBucket]

i had an interesting OOBE experience recently, where i felt it deserved a thread of its own, here:

sleep deprivation and OOBE's, my experience...

[edit on 6-7-2005 by deaf fences hit]

[edit on 6-7-2005 by deaf fences hit]

Wow, I don't know what to say. That's uh.. wow.
I don't know about anyone else here, but if I heard someone in my room at night then felt their arms around my weist I'd creep out and jump up out of bed.

I don't understand how this could happen though. Maybe you were just in a dream state that seemed real, or you were in the middle of a dream and real life. I've had that before.

seeing as this thread has served its purpose, this comment is justified. i just wanted to say YES! to this:

Even if you can't quite leave your body, be aware of the possibliity. You may notice, one day, that even though you're still very obviously "in your body" that you can see in the room all around you even though the lights are off and your eyes are closed.

thats about the extent of which i can achieve oobe. i usually find that at that very moment when i start recognizing objects and dimension through my half sleeping conciousness, i usually wake and lose concentration. i never get much further than that or the vibrations. but whats neat, is when i can " see " things not only in the dark and through shut eyes, but even objects that wouldnt even be in my feild of vision had i chosen to open my eyes. im gonna keep trying.

Wow, I've read the whole thread! So interesting! Firstly, hello to all cos I'm kinda new here.
Seems like you had interesting experiences TheRiverGodess.

I've been interested in Astral projection or OoBE lately too and I'd like to experience it myself to convince myself that it's really true and to explore higher dimensions. I wanted to try it but after reading that it can be dangerous I became a little afraid and I'd like to talk about it with someone more experienced but I have no-one to talk about this except my brother who doesn't know much about it either. Once I felt the vibrations and also the sounds and I think I could see without opening my eyes but I was afraid to 'go out' so I started telling myself 'no, I don't want it now, I'm not prepared'. I was afraid that something bad could happen and had a feeling of dark forces around me (maybe just cos I was so scared). And then I thought that maybe it's not right to do that. But I can't stop thinking about it and would really like to try it. But with someone who would help me first. Always better to be 2 than alone. I don't even know how to protect my body - how to create the shield. Is there anyone who could help me or yank me out?

P.S.: Sowwie TheRiverGodess for using your thread this way.

hey i was just thinking i have a bowl of cerial (cheerios to be exact and milk) before i go to bed and try to "get out" would that be good or bad for obe,ing

from personal experience, eating cheerios with milk (in my case, soy) prior to resting had no positive or negative effect on OOBE =\

I have rather avoided keeping this thread up dated of late, for I am having some very weird and SCAREY OOBE experiances.

I can get out yes, but this weird DARK thing is totally the boss of me, and sends me right back.
I sage smudged my house, and room......and then I get out fine but cant LEAQVE me room. The Dark thing is now outside my window making motions at me and saying things.
The dark thing now is looking to me, like the dumb Snuggle Bear from the fabric softner commercials, except it is about 10 feet tall.

I have been talking with other OOBE folks about this weird problem. It was suggested to me that MAYBE this was a Navajo Clown Spirit, and did I have a Katchina doll? and ya know what? I did!! I ended up burning it wrapped completely in fresh sage. I made a thread about the doll, and there are pics of the fire.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


So this burning was just last saterday night.

Last night I came right out WITHOUT the rushing sound coming to me first. I came out, but could see NOTHING, and BLAM went right back in again. Since I could not see I do not know if this whatever it is, is still bothering me or not.

I am going back through THIS thread, and soaking up all the wisdom shared by others. I am trying to force things to go MY way during OOBE, and not be a pawn of something else. Some people have suggested that it is just a projection of my own mind and fears, so I have been meditateing and focusing on, the RELEASE of negetive emotions within me.
I am getting OUT of my body, and seeing my aurau as impenatreble, seeing myself as a STONE....solid and imovable, but BLAM I am going right back in. I then wake fully and I am....."dam, what is the PROBLEM?"

This is WHY this thread/online OOBE diary has not heard much from me of late. I do not want to scare people who are trying to do the same, but I cant NOT say what is happening either. The truth is what it is........and this is whats been going on.

[edit on 14-7-2005 by theRiverGoddess]

TRG I would suggest learning navajo native language im sure you could find a dictionary at your library or a internet site... I would also learn russian, spanish, french, and greek.. learn a little of each enough to ask if he speaks them... If you cant speak in OOBE which i belive i have to other spirits anyways... Write it down and leave it by your bed and motion to him that you want him to see the documents if he recognizzes him im sure you could tell... If not try to OOBE at a diffrent place, friends house, park, hotel room, camping, ect... try it somewhere else and see if hes still there.. just a suggestion i know everytime ive met something i dont like or have bad vibes from even if it is a nother human being i always pray in 3 diffrent languages it seems to help.. Hebrew, english, and french... but i just know lord forgive me in each.. so thats my prayer and i ask the spirits to leave me in peace and if they would leave if the stay i try to figure out something about them via there clothes ect.. and give them a gift... spiritually i dont know if you understand but if you do it helps...

what was it motioning and saying to you and did you rply anything back to it or did you just go straight back in??????

wow no one,s posted anything on this thread in at least 3 hours exept me hehe im so lonely lol

well i have gone off and tryied to have an OOBE in those 3 hours ,well i think i got a bit further then usual......
I was relaxing my body, tensing all the parts and then relaxing them and then i tryed to charge up my chakras with my mental hands as much as i no how and i got all the way up to the heart chakra and while i was charging them up i kinda got butterflies not in my stomach but kinda in my body,ish(if ya get me)
(you know what i mean, like when you go up a hill in a car) however i lost concentration when i got to the heart chakra and also i did not get the vibration,s but not every one gets them.......

Soooo does anybody else get butterflies or that feeling when your tryin and was i close.......

Be Honest


After that i meditated(as in crossed my legs and sat up right like you see people in yoga class or whatever) for about five minutes and found it very easy to get into the relaxed relaxed state but i am not sure if it was the trance state ???.......How do i know if its the trance state while im concious...........And also i find it difficult not to swallow and have a bit of difficulty relaxing my throat ,but i did manage to relax my throat once and not feel the need to swallow


[edit on 17-7-2005 by elliott reid]

[edit on 17-7-2005 by elliott reid]

Elliot, yes butterflys are common. Happens every time.

Learning to speak Navajo is one of the hardest languages EVER Thats more of a challange than I am willing to take on right now.

In the astral,personal lanuage is irrelevant I believe......for comunication is purley phychic in nature really, rather telepathic. You dont have a voice for you have no body, and its alot like learning to SEE without having eyes in OOBE. It is 'different' in the Astral to say the least........

I do not WANT to say what the 'bear thing' was saying to me its just so crazy!
But oh well...it allready seems so crazy anyway I guess it can't hurt that much.
It waves at me where I am OOBE wise, and waves toward my body laying in the bed...motioning for me to GO back. From outside the window it was making the same motions, and it said "get back, get back, get back to where you once belong!"............ya it was quoting the Beetles at me.
Yes I KNOW this has taken a very insane road......this is why I have been hesitent to keep this thread updated.I do not want folks to be affraid just because of the issues I am having...it seams so 'personal' and directed right at ME...... I have been hoping to resolve this issue and just skip over all this strangeness. But in the spirit of being straight out honest about whats been going on I have to tell all I guess, no matter how crazy it is.

[edit on 17-7-2005 by theRiverGoddess]

Let us know if you try it elsewher please.. And if its communicating to you throught the beatles communicate with it back the same come together right now over me neways goodluck..

I tried to see if there was a dream correlation to the bear. This exerpt is fromwww.hyperdictionary.com...

Dreaming that you are being pursued or attacked by a bear indicates aggression, overwhelming obstacles and competition. You may find yourself in a threatening situation. Alternatively, bears symbolize the cycle of life and death and renewal. It may signal of period of introspection and thinking. The dream may also be a pun on "bare". Perhaps you need to bare your soul and let everything out into the open. Dreaming of a polar bear means a reawakening.

Does any of that work for you? If not, well your OOBEing not dreaming so it probably means squat.

rivergoddess

not really related to your conscious OOBE , but you may find it interesting.

I have a cpl to share;

my first was before coming here, it is a very short memory . I didn't want to come here , and I was protesting. I had an escort with me , who told me , "it was my time "...end of memory one

next, as a child , I would spontaneously OOBE quite often , never discussed it with anyone. and I stopped somewhere around age 8-9 ? looking back , I thought that maybe I was looking for a way to go back to where I came from. but that's just a hunch/speculation, based on my memory of not wanting to come here

I didn't have another one until recently, and I have no idea how I did it , it just happened.

my last one, I'll save for another time.

I've had a couple exeriences that could be considered OBE (although I never actually got OUT) but like someone mentioned previously, I was able to see my room through closed eyes, and actually saw someone standing at the corner of my bed. That freaked me out and I snapped awake. Also, once I was in physical therapy (back pain) and was laying on the bed with a heat pack. I closed my eyes and started to concentrate on relaxing, hoping to get out of body. I "opened" my eyes and saw, but it looked like the wall was right in front of me. Strange. I was laying face up, and it definatly wasn't the celing I saw, but the wall. How would that happen?

Also, I've read Robert Monroes trilogy, and LOVE it. Highly recommended to anyone interested in OBEs.

Lastly, a pathetic attempt for an astral-buddy to help me out

Ok i was was trying to project today

And i lay down tense,ing and realeasing all my muscles and counted to 600 trying to relax and forget about about my physical body and when i had everything relaxed legs, arms, torso (thats after i counted to 600) i just could not relax my throat and couldnt resist swallowing does anybody esle have the same problem

I then got up and checked my watch because i didnt seem to be gettin anywere and it was 9:15 and i started at 8:40 so i spent 35 min tryin to project and i think thats a reasonable amout of time for a beginner i then got on my bike (so so relaxed, im gettin the spelling,s wrong aswell here im so relaxed ) and cycled around to my dads(HERE) and stated typing this

Does anybody have a really good way to relax the throat and mouth?

And does anybody else suffer from not being able to relax your mouth and throat as easy as the rest of your body????

Thanks Elliott

[edit on 20-7-2005 by elliott reid]

For those of you not relaxing because you swallow, try drinking 2 glasses of water 15 minutes before doing so. It should wash out any residue and rehydrate you.
Works for me.

YEY! YEY! TRG*dances all around! Last night was awsome!

This morning I had my first OOBE since the Katchina burning. I woke around 7am and got some water, and went back to bed but didnt go to sleep. Instead the 'sound' came to me and out I popped. OMG! My vision was the VERY best and most clear it has ever been! All the colors were atounding and vivid seeming to have life of there own. I was even able to decide to leave the house and flew out the bedroom window and off into the sky. This is the first time I ever really SAW the silver chord!
I am unsure where I wound up though......I wound up outside of a 6 story apartment complex that seamed pretty new and well landscaped. As I was floating there wondering what I was doing there I saw a good looking black man with shorter length dreds sweeping his balcony. He was cleaning up after a previous BBQ it looked like..He swept something like a te-shirt almost off the balcony and reached over the balcony to get it and he fell! It was awfull! He was on the 4th story, and he hit the railing of the balcony below him, then tumbled off it and fell to the ground. I was horrified at seeing this happen and wondered what I could possibly DO about this But being the OOBE state I was powerless to do anything but watch. I do not even know what town or city I was in. I was so upsett at seeing this I went back to my body. I got up and smoked a ciggerette......drank some more water and cryed. I relate this only as what really happened and what I saw.

The GOOD thing is my vision is clear! There were no weird critters hanging out and making me go back in my body ASAP, and I was seeming to have some control over the experiance. That is all VERY GOOD and truly exciting So I am progressing in a much clearer manner now I think. I will continue with sage smudging my room.

AHHHHH so you smoke...

That is interesting.. I have heard, seen, whatever you want to call internet knowledge, is that if you want to AP/oobe you should stop smoking..

So you drink caffine also.. like Mt Dew, Coffe, or something along them lines most of the day..

Anyway thanx for clearing that up..

Do you stop smoking at some point in the day or just ur usual providing its below normal.. below is like 6 to 12 cigs a day.