The Nibiru Myth, page 6
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reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 03:35 PM by weedwhacker
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Sorry, cruzion, very fascinating diatribe, though a little difficult to follow without paragraph breaks. I kept up with you, even if the science was questionable, especially your propasal about 'perpindicular' motion, it just doesn't fit with observed motions. I'm afraid that it, your post, realy left me cold at the end, however....

You claimed another 'companion' star to our Sun in order for a 'Niburu' to exist...your claim that there's not enough 'attraction'....well, there is no evidence of this companion, as far as I know. Perhaps you have a link to this data? In absence of data, this is a fantastic claim, and very hard to reconcile with known observations.

Finally, gravity works very well, the Einstenian theory, combined with Newtonian Laws of motion, in describing and predicting celestial motions.

Not every object that passes by a larger mass will always fall into a stable orbit...this idea has been shown quite often in our use of a planet's gravity to provide a 'slingshot' effect for quite a few of our spacecraft, especially as example: Apollo 13.

After the damage on the Service Module, and since the vehicle had already completed its burn for TLI, the trajectory was altered slightly to utilize the Moon's gravity for a 'free return trajectory'. Obviously, time was of the essence, (consumables were lost in the explosion of the O2 tanks) and there was insufficient fuel to 'reverse' course any other way. So, a minor alteration resulted in the 'slingshot' effect around the Moon, instead of the original Lunar Orbit Injection used for other Apollo missions.

Of course, even after the 'slingshot', other minor corrections were needed to ensure the TEI...those people were literally off the charts, thinking 'outside the box' in order to successfully save the crew. Pretty amazing, shows lots of intelligent people work at NASA, and shows how the science of orbital mechanics is as solid as Mathematics, since that's really the basis of it.

Once again, I didn't intend to argue about the 'Magnetic Universe' theory, there are other threads that take care of that subject. I detected (pun) a little possibility that that was what you alluded to in your post, and felt I had the right to step up and give an alternate view, however 'mainstream' it may appear to be.

That being said, it seems that you and I agree with the OP, at least, about the unlikelihood of a 'Nibiru', if I read your posts correctly? Perhaps for different reasons, but time will tell...

Hope I didn't misunderstand, if so, we can meet on a different thread if you wish.

Cheers, WW

[add] I hope I didn't appear to take the thread off topic with the Apollo reference, I just don't edit myself well sometimes!!!

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reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 08:35 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by cruzion



cruzion!!! So, all of that math you posted, and all that I posted in response...???!

Well, I stand by my posts. Hope you weren't just writing for the sake of writing, because I seriously took note of your posts, and attempted to respond in an intelligent manner, all the time not going off-topic.

Well, since we're in Skunk Works, I guess the leash gets a little longer, and there's more leeway....so, no harm!!

Back to the OP's premise....I stand with him; it's a myth. I've written a lot, but haven't changed MY opinion, just hope I've had some influence on others'...!!!

Best, WW


reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 08:41 PM by undo
reply to post by weedwhacker



hopefully, you noticed that the babylonians called jupiter nibiru when it was on the meridian in the sky ? they called it marduk when it was very bright. they called it sagmigar when it was in the halo with the moon,etc


reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 08:48 PM by weedwhacker
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undo....that is interesting info, thanks!

BUT, it was still Jupiter, right? As far as I know, Jupiter and its dozens of moons haven't come into the inner Solar System to wreak havok for some time...well, since FOREVER!!

WW


reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 08:56 PM by undo
reply to post by weedwhacker



yes, it was still jupiter. nibiru is jupter, according to the babylonian astrology catalogues. it's mentioned in the section called "Omens of the Moon" and described in more detail elsewhere in the catalogues.

there was also a nibru.
nibru was Enlil's city in ancient Sumer and is better known today as Nippur (or at least, that's what they say).

nibru means "gate" and "place of the crossing", just like nibiru does.

reposting of the data"

VI. Omens From Halos.

Last night a halo surrounded the Moon, and Jupiter and Scorpio stood within it. When a halo surrounds the Moon and Jupiter stands within it, the King of Akkad will be besieged. When a halo surrounds the Moon and Jupiter stands within it, there will be a slaughter of cattle and beasts of the field. (Marduk is Umunpauddu at its appearance; when it has risen for two (or four?) hours it becomes Sagmigar; when it stands in the meridian it becomes Nibiru.

www.earth-history.com...

apparently those names are different names for the same heavenly body.

for example, Sagmigar is Jupiter, which is found in the Mul.Apin Tablets for the "Path of Enlil

Jupiter (SAG.ME.GAR) changes its position continuously, crossing the heavens


So, seems Nibiru is also Jupiter?
It just has different names as it moves

The Path of Enlil from the Mul.Apin Tablet
www.geocities.com...

Jupiter (Sagmígar, Nibiru, Umunpauddu, Marduk) and Scorpius [Scorpio] in the Halo, Various Names of Jupiter.

Moon Omens
www.geocities.com...

Jupiter as Marduk, is when Jupiter grows very bright
www.geocities.com...

Jupiter as Sagmigar, is when Jupiter is in the halo with the moon
Jupiter as Nibiru, is also when Jupiter is in the halo with the moon (and on the meridian)
www.geocities.com...

apparently this is due to change of position and also the various omens it portends for the King.




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reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 09:02 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by undo



undo...."King of Akkad"????

OK, you claim to be a writer, in your avatar/screenname. I see examples that lead me to doubt that claim, but I ignore for now......

Please focus on this question: Who or What is the 'King of Akkad'? Yeah, I could do a Wiki search, but ould like to hear it from you first...

Thanks, WW


reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 09:10 PM by undo
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to
post by undo



undo...."King of Akkad"????

OK, you claim to be a writer, in your avatar/screenname. I see examples that lead me to doubt that claim, but I ignore for now......

Thanks, WW


there was more than one, so it must be a generalized .... "whoever happens to be king of akkad at the time" type of deal. one was called enmerkar, for example.
those are not my writings. those are from the babylonian mul.apin tablets.

The Mul.Apin [i.e. Mul and Apin] tablets contain the most comprehensive surviving Babylonian star and constellation catalogue from before 600 BC.

Mul.Apin Tablet 1. Larger plate (67 KB) ©


Further Information: WA 86378 [BM 86378] Mul.Apin tablet 1 [pictured] is in the British Museum, London. [The tablet is 8.4 centimetres high incised with miniature cuneiform writing.] This principal copy of Tablet 1 probably dates circa 500 BC and is a late Babylonian copy. The earliest copies were recovered from the royal library of the Assyrian King Assurbanipal (667-629 BC) in Nineveh (and also from Assur). The text of Tablet 1 was able to be restored with the aid of five copies - one dated to the Neo-Babylonian Period, two from Assurbanipal's library [hence written before 612 BC when Nineveh was sacked], and two from Assur. [The first part of Mul.Apin to be published was this almost complete copy of tablet 1 by Leonard King in CT 33, Plates 1-8 (1912)].*

The principal copy of the second tablet is VAT 9412 from Assur, dated 687 BC. (This is the oldest of the texts.) Multiple copies of tablet 2 are known: principally three from Assur, three from Assurbanipal's library, and one dated to the Neo-Babylonian period.

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reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 09:47 PM by Leviatano
Just because I don't want to see this thread die yet, I shall throw more fuel into the fire. Only this time it will be helpful (perhaps?) on the Nibiru exists side .

(In no way do I feel strongly one way or the other about this planet existing or not existing, I am merely just cruising about the net gathering sites and linking them here .)


The first link I found almost nothing about this "Nibiru" or "Planet X" besides that alleged release date of 2003. Other than that this person didn't really claim much more, than just to talk of the "plan" initiated by those who "lived" on "Nibiru" Even though I tried to argue in fact of the Nibiru case, it seems the link has betrayed me anyway as in the end he states the purpose.


Something will be coming our way very soon but it will not be Nibiru.

www.illuminati-news.com...
(But then again, look at my source. It's no wonder It wouldn't have proved a very good argument for me anyway :lol

Another source I came by was:
www.greatdreams.com... (Warning rather lengthy and probably isn't best if one sat down and read the entire thing. Lord knows I didn't.)

But in this article several points and figures are brought up before one even reaches the question of "Does 'Nibiru' return?" (Or does it even exist for that matter?).

Later after reading through some of the "fluff" we arrive at:

Planet Marduk
Upon its appearance: Mercury.
Rising 30 degrees of the celestial arc: Jupiter.
When standing in the place of the celestial battle:
Nibiru

To which brings us to this part, which who knows if we can take to heart as to how to true it might be. (:@@


These instructions for observing the incoming planet clearly refer to its progression from an alignment with Mercury to an alignment with Jupiter by rising 30 degrees. This could happen only if the orbit of Nibiru/Marduk is inclined 30 degrees to the ecliptic. Appearing 30 degrees above the ecliptic and disappearing (to a viewer in Mesopotamia) 30 degrees below it, creates the "Way of Anu", which forms a band extending 30 degrees above and below the equator.


Then, We arrive at the alleged spot to which this planet or dwarf should (Could?) be.


The incoming planet as it curves around Jupiter will arrive at the place of the Celestial Battle in the asteroid belt, the "Place of Crossing" (and hence the name Nibiru).


To which a passage follows:

When from the station of Jupiter
the planet passes toward the west,
there will be a time of dwelling in security...
When from the station of Jupiter
the Planet increases in brilliance
and in the Zodiac of Cancer will become Nibiru,
Akkad will overflow with plenty.

( Top external information comes from this source. www.greatdreams.com... Except for the one in which I listed the source underneath)

Now am I advocated that I believe Nibiru to exist? Nope, I am merely just throwing data out there to be torn asunder if you will by those who know it best. Of course these links may have been thrown in countless times by various people, but I have yet to see it and a bit to tired to hit the search :p. Though I will have to say, my argument for the reasons as to why "planet X" exist kind of sucks. perhaps I just didn't have the heart in it to try and win the argument, or maybe I'm just to tired. Either way, Go at it.




reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 11:43 PM by Leviatano
reply to post by undo



To be quite honest I am not at all completely sure, it's probably because it is already so late in the night for me I can't wrap my mind around the idea of actually beliving into the Planet X stuff. I will more than likely wake up early in the morning and give a better analysis (and possibly more links) but as for now, I thought I would just make a stance on trying to give belivers a chance (Even though I know it is a high possibilitiy it may not be out there.)


reply posted on 31-3-2008 @ 12:34 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by undo



Ah, thanks undo, in the Museum of London, I will be there within a few months (London, of course...but will get to the Museum while in town).

Sorry if I'm too dense, is there a link to your last post? I mean, how were the cunieforms translated, and is it corraborated?

Sorry if I sound too skeptical, but incredible claims require incredible proof....yeah, corny phrase, where did I hear that before????/

edit...just saw some posts up above, so forgive me if this is old news......going to read now......

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reply posted on 31-3-2008 @ 12:49 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by Leviatano



Leviatano,

Those are interesting finds, and a great post...haven't read thru them all.

BUT, is there any chance that ancient translations may have been, errrr...mis-interpreted at all?

Well, even if not mis-interpreted, could they be somewhat unnecessarily fatalistic in the interpretations, since the apocalypse didn't happen THEN...and what did they observe, according to the translations?

I mean, if this horrible massive planet ravaged our Solar System in Babylonian times, then I doubt we'd be here today discussing the possibility...

If, on the other hand, a comet was sighted...an unusual event in one's lifetime, but not a Planet Destroyer, it indeed might get some attention in the 'media' of the day, even if in a clay tablet...in cunieform....

Anyone have data to corroborate?

WW



reply posted on 31-3-2008 @ 01:27 AM by Leviatano
reply to post by weedwhacker



It is safe to say that there is a high margin in which they are misinterpreted, but some (if not all?) can safely say that it has been implanted in so many texts that it makes one wonder, what they saw? It also has been used over and over through these various texts as a way to explain disasters. (The great flood being one of them)

I think before we can move on to figuring out what this "nibiru" or mysterious object is, we first need to find out if it's a: Planet, A brown dwarf, a comet, or just asteroids. There just seems to be to many varying opinions floating about on the net that one can't even keep up with after a while! Though one thing always seems to show from it that kind of catches my eye. That is the accounts of beings that are tall, and "other-worldly" whether there angels, aliens or devils. They are depicted in various mosaics, and in writing forms as well. So, what do we believe in now? Science that changes constantly? Or old writings and drawings that may not be translated properly? Just because they appear frequently should we label it as a planet? Or as a mini solar system with it's own array of planet that doesn't follow our "ideal" model?

Only time will tell, and when it does who knows. Hopefully it won't be boring though.




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reply posted on 31-3-2008 @ 06:48 AM by undo
reply to post by weedwhacker



The broad astronomical content and significance of the (two-tablet) Mul.Apin series had been identified by the English assyriologists Archibald Sayce and Robert Bosanquet in a journal article published in 1880. The first part of the Mul.Apin series to be published was BM 86378 in Cuneiform Texts from Babylonian Tablets in the British Museum: Part XXXIII (Plates 1-8) by Leonard King (1912). This tablet is almost complete copy of tablet 1. See also "A Neo-Babylonian Astronomical Treatise in the British Museum and its Bearing on the Age of Babylonian Astronomy." by Leonard King (Proceedings of the Society for Biblical Archaeology, Volume 35, 1913). This article by the English assyriologist Leonard King drew attention to the importance of this text for identifying the Babylonian constellations. In the next two years numerous articles and books appeared that utilised its star list information in the attempt to identify the Babylonian constellations and the stars that comprised such.


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I believe the babylonian languages were translated well before sumerian, as sumer was buried under 8 ft of flood silt from the Black Sea Flood for some 5900 years Otherwise I'd assume Samuel Noah Kramer translated the language, but this is not the case. Babylon and babylonian language translation has been around for a long time.
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