Originally posted by jprophet420

Myth- Nasa has photgraphed Nibiru
Fact- Incorrect, the photo actually turned out to be a new type of galaxy. The media misinterpreted the finding as an extra planet in our solar system

unless you have access to Nasa's database you can't possibly make this claim.

Unless you have access to Nasa's database you cant claim otherwise. From the sources I used, I came to this conclusion, so it was researched.

We are part of (at least) a binary star system

There is no evidence to support this idea. Only conjecture.

How about precession?

If this was due to the 'wobbling' of the Earth, we would precess relative to objects IN the Solar system. The dates of meteor showers, conjunctions, solstices.. EVERYTHING.. would all need to be adjustd acording to precession. Since the last calender reforms, everything would already be about a week off. They aren't, and we don't.

Since we are ONLY precessing relative to objects OUTSIDE of the Solar system, (unless you are going to next tell me that the entire Solar system is "wobbling"), this means that we are curving through space.

Yes gravity fails to explain how our sun could be in orbit around any of the nearest stars, however Newton's gravity fails to explain many things. At the time, the Sun was thought to be fixed in a position in space. We know more now.

A wise man once said that scientific laws must conform to observations and facts, not the other way around.

Unless you can show that we are precessing relative to the objects within our solar system, your propoganda is irrelevant.

It's as simple as that. No more, no less.

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
According to "actual" research done into Brown Dwarf Stars, to classify an object as a brown dwarf, the object has to have a mass of at least 80 times that of Jupiter...

There are only two known brown dwarfs due to them being difficult to find because of their colour.

You've made my point better than I could have.

Originally posted by Essan

These things you mention are all determined by Earth's orbit around the sun (or the orbit of other objects around the sun). Not by precession.

That's because it isn't a local phenominon. The dates of such things should have slipped by a week.

And how on Earth (no pun intended) does precession relate to the Sun being in a binary system?

I can't draw pictures on here, but I supposed you could think of the entire solar system as one horse on a Merry-Go-Round, and you could think of the Earth as... maybe the horse's right ear. The people standing around watching you are the stars. Except that a couple of stars that seem to be a couple of the people are in the center of the Merr-Go-Round, or some distance between that and the horse on the other side. Not exactly, but I hope that helps.

I reckon the horse is also spinning around. But his ear does not wobble.

Originally posted by JoeTheThird

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
According to "actual" research done into Brown Dwarf Stars, to classify an object as a brown dwarf, the object has to have a mass of at least 80 times that of Jupiter...

There are only two known brown dwarfs due to them being difficult to find because of their colour.

You've made my point better than I could have.

I have?

Didnt you say that Jupiter and Saturn were Brown Dwarfs? Thats not what I am saying. Jupiter and Saturn (especially Saturn) cant be Brown Dwarfs becuase they do not have enough mass. I mean Saturn is so light that it would float on water!!! And apart from that, they are extremely bright compared to brown dwarfs

The two CONFIRMED brown dwarfs are not Saturn and Jupiter, they are Gliesse 229B and Teide 1. Maybe you should look it up

Originally posted by weedwhacker
But, remember, neither Saturn nor Jupiter shine on their own....it is reflected from our Sun!

However both of them release more energy than they receive from 'The Sun'.

Originally posted by JoeTheThird

Originally posted by weedwhacker
But, remember, neither Saturn nor Jupiter shine on their own....it is reflected from our Sun!

However both of them release more energy than they receive from 'The Sun'.

Please provide a source for this information

Do you even know how much energy the sun releases?

Ha Ha got you there Oz.... or did he.
Really, at that distance 2.5 times that recived from the sun wouldn't be that much would it? Given enough distance from the the earth could radiate 50 times what it receives.

Originally posted by VIKINGANT
Ha Ha got you there Oz.... or did he.
Really, at that distance 2.5 times that recived from the sun wouldn't be that much would it? Given enough distance from the the earth could radiate 50 times what it receives.

Unless you are trying to tell me that the Earth is also 'cooling as the gasses that make it up are compressing ()', or some such blather, I don't think your argument holds up at all, or has relevance.

And I don't think either of us are trying to '[get] each other'.

OZMAN I'll get back to your question, but I think you found yourself a tagline quote.

Originally posted by madmofo
the points oxweatherman have giving are pretty good, honestly the thing that through me about the whole planet x thing was that it was inhabited by (i cant remember there name) people that are going to come here and blah blah its just quite retarded in my eyes i cant wait till 2012 im going to have a laugh.
[edit on 2-4-2008 by madmofo]

It's just propoganda. Co-opted conspiracy movement.

OK,okay.....I have to jump in here,I am a believer in alot of conspiracies but not this one,heres why:I take astronomy in college so I do know what I am talking about to an extent.Saturn and Jupiter WERE NEVER BROWN DWARFS!!!!!A brown dwarf cannot simply change back into a planet-once it is a star it STAYS A STAR,it then follows the regular life cycle of a star.
More over you said that Saturn radiates 2.5 times more enegy THAN IT RECIEVES FROM THE SUN,that is the key phrase,it DOES NOT PUT OUT MORE ENERGY THAN THE SUN.The same holds true for Jupiter as far as putting out more enrgy than it RECIEVES.I appoligize if I have not refuted any other claims but I just skimmed through the last few pages as I have to go to ASTRONOMY tonight in about 40 minutes.If I have failed to explain any information or left some claims undebunked I will be back on later and if I can explain them I will.Let me state this in all likely hood NIBIRU DOES NOT EXSIST,of course there is a .00001% chance it does,but I think we know enough about astronomy,esspecially of our own solar system to be able to know this doesnt exsist.I am not a skeptic-well more like a "line item skeptic".I only debunk ridiculous claims.

-JKrog