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reply posted on 28-2-2008 @ 05:46 PM by Bigwhammy
reply to post by 12.21.12



I don't know any Christians that think 2012 is the end.

That's just the Mayan calendar- New Agers that claim that.

Christians are all waiting for the Temple to be rebuilt first. It could line up with

2012 - but so far there's no reason to assume it.


reply posted on 28-2-2008 @ 06:58 PM by Incarnated
Originally posted by magicmushroom
Incarnated how do you eqaute a pagan belief (Mayan) with the chritian bible, your tryiny to join the both together and making something out of them. The book of revelations eludes to no date of past or future events. the Maya talk of different ages and cycles, how have you managed to join them together.


We could file this one under stuff that's already been explained in the thread too. However I'll go over it one more time! That's just the kind of guy I am.

First off, I've seen tons of refrences to timeframe within the book of revelation. I'm not the only one. So for you to state that it isn't as if it were a fact is kind of a tell as to your perception and motives.

However, I'll go the round about way rather then the strate on aproach.

There is but One God, and in context as conserns you, This is One World. God did not create this world for Christians, nor did God create Christians for this world. Rather we are all God's children. The Whole of the world tells but one story and when you see that story you know you see the truth. If you need to rule out stuff to make your vision of the story fit, they you are lying to yourself and not seeing "the truth".

I don't think of Mayan as pagan. Really the term "pegan" is a coverall blanked term that seems to mean "not christian". LOL

Mayan Calander based upon a celestual event associated and known as the 2012 phenomenon. It's a compleation of a cycle. It's the END of a cycle. It is the end of the calendar. It is the end of time. It is the endtimes.

It is associated with the end of an age. Mayan calendar is pointing at a time to end. Nostradamus also pointed at that time. Nostradamus spoke about the antichrist, the christ, aliens and much other stuff. Nostradamus was a "christian".

Malachy was a "christian" holy man, monk, what ever you might want to call him. Malachy was struck with a vision. Malachy was given a list of popes to rule between his time and the "endtimes". That list was 111 popes numbered and a statement about the "dark pope". The dark pope was confused into being though to be the 112 pope. Actually the "dark pope" was no numbered and could be the 111th pope or just put in power in the midst of the "endtimes" events.

Malachy is one of the most intresting factors to me as popes live x number of years unknown. Strangly this is like a random number generator. We just elected the 111th pope right on time for 2012.

The pope that was the last in the line before the endtime events that are talked about in the book of revelation.


reply posted on 28-2-2008 @ 08:14 PM by Incarnated
Originally posted by magicmushroom
Incarnated, I'm not trying to bust your buns here, but for a start I dont believe in all the God crap, if there are those who do then thats fine by me but knowhere in the book of revelations does it mention dates and certainly not 2012. If you are trying to draw these seperate events together then thats your choice but you have picked out what suits you and your theory from these various sources.


You are unknowingly trying to bust my buns. I've proven it, and you're blind to it. I could point within the book of the revelation and you'll still be blind to it because you're only willing to see what you want to see.

However there are several refrences within the bible and the book of revelation. Here's just one, and then leave me alone.

It's called "The Grand Cross". It's a cross formation of the planets in our solar system in 4 signs. Those signs are LEO, Tauris, Aquarius and Scorpio.

Do try to follow along here. I'll keep it real simple.

Scorpio has a lost meaning to the symbol. It's lost meaning is likened to the Pheonix or an Eagle.

In the book of revelation is it written.

In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. 7The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. 8Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under his wings. Day and night they never stop saying: "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come."

Also talked about In Daniel and Ezekiel.

The four living creatures are the 4 zodiac signs.
Lion = Leo
Ox = Taurius
Flying Eagle = Scorpio
Face like man = Aquarius

That's just one of several dozzen. It's called the "grand cross" it was the marker of entering into this time period it streches across the time but was compleat AUG18 1999.

Besides that, which I'm sure you'll argue just for the sake. There's nearly countless refrences to the age of picies and aquarius, among refrences to changing of the age.

son, just because you don't want it to be there doesn't mean it isn't there. The christians although full of them selves are not that bad off. Just because it doesn't fit into what you want to see, doesn't make your vision right and theirs wrong.

Each has pieces of the puzzle, it's the man with the most pieces put together that sees the most truthful picture.


reply posted on 28-2-2008 @ 08:40 PM by Incarnated
reply to post by MystikMushroom



That is one way of seeing it and really it is quite an intersting look upon what I know as the truth.

I believe that planets upon devlopment of higher forms of life are given a "planetary prince" and there are princes over several other aspects of planetary governmentship.

Our Planetary Prince followed the ruleship of Lucifer/Satan that tryed to rebel against the will of Our True Creator. The Prince of this world that would later become to be known as "the devil" caused a default action that seprated this world from the established ruleship of the government of the universe until such time as a first son of God, "Jesus", could restablish the connection at the time of the great judgement of the realm.

Jesus fought against the princeapalities of this world, and in some ways he still does.

Now, please keep in mind I'm not talking the "Jesus" of christ-Stainiaty. Rather the true "one that comes in truth" the creators "christ".


reply posted on 28-2-2008 @ 09:34 PM by MystikMushroom
reply to post by Incarnated



I don't really believe in "Satan" or a separate "God" entity. From the experiences and shamanic visions I have experienced, all is one.

We tend to try and disconnect and "compartmentalize" aspects of reality into digestible "chunks" to make our world seem understandable. Seeing God as separate is an example.

Once the "blinders" are taken away from our eyes, we full realize our divinity and the hand we play in co-creating reality itself.

Looking back on my short 25 years, I realize that in that time-span I have lived some amazing experiences. It's the experiences that we as humans collect via our journeys through life that make us "rich". I realize now, finally, that I have accomplished many things, seen, felt and experienced enough that if I were to keel over and die right now, that would be OK.

If indeed 2012 brings death to myself, so be it. I have collected enough valuable emotional moments to satisfy myself at this point.

It's not the cars, houses, money or material goods that make life worth living friends. It's the connections, the late-night conversations with close friends and loved ones, the campfire ghost stories, the thrill of your first kiss, the feeling of being a part of a loving network of like-minded people that make us "rich".

I am "rich" with experiences, love and fellowship. I could be penny-less and homeless, but knowing that I "felt" *somthing* whilst connecting with my peers on a deeper level keeps me going.

I think after 2012, more people will begin to understand that when you die--all the money, possessions and such don't matter. After all, you "can't take it with you" when it's all said and done.

Instead of rotating the tires on your BMW, we ought to be preparing our after-life vehicle for what is to come. Cultivate our souls and minds, experience as many "pure moments" as possible.

If God put us here on Earth to toil in the dirt--he's not a God I want to have anything to do with. To paraphrase Terence McKenna, "it's some kind of Gnostic demon".

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