2012 without a doubt!!!

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I was wodering if anyone has seen Jack Van Impe ministries? He is the upmost authority for bible translation.
He has commented on 2012 for years.
If you know nothing of him look him up on you tube and put 2012 in the search. He also puts E.T.'s into bible translation.
I was really wondering if it was him that started the hoopla in this website over this date. Is there other info about this date for starting conversation?



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I don't put too much weight in anyone's translations. I'd not really consider anyone an "athority"..



This is the first I've heard of the name. But thanks for the name drop I'll have to check that out, though I can already feel my skin crawling. I hope it isn't as bad as I fear.

I think it's anything having to do with the term "Ministries" that makes my skin crawl. I must have devloped an adversion. I punched it into youTube and reconized the face. I seen the word "Rapture" and I shut it down. The Rapture is a ChristStains Wetdream of escape.

I feel it clearly states that the true people of God will be on and about earth in the tribulation periods. They will walk freely unharmed although the world will seem to be "ending". In this way people will see who the true "Godly" are and whom they should listen to.

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I tried to post the specific clip from you tube but could not get it to work.It says the video expired but I just watched it. Please check this guy out and see what you think, he gives very good interpretations by memory, I don't necessarily agree with him on everything but this topic seems exactly in tune with what he preaches. I always get this guy's take on things as he has the Bible completely memeorized and can tell all scriptures that relate to any topic, including E.T.s

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The ET are not "evil" beings. That's fearmongering only the way christians can do it. They see D "evil" everywhere but where they truly need to look. Within.

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Some of them most assuredly have bad intentions. Abducting people and disrupting their lives... molesting them sexually ...collecting semen and ovum

It happens

I call that evil

The term "sexually molesting" seems a bit extream. You're so willing to filter anyone that claims any connection to God, yet you take everyone who say they've been "abducted" stories as if they were documented.

These are beings that were/are used as fingertips of God. I'm sure you've taken or have been taken out to eat after church. Someone in church sees that bit of charity as doing God's work. Maybe, you might have helped out someone and chalked it upto God. Most of the "Aliens" are the same. Those of us that actually do the will of our creator are God's fingertips accross the universes.

Mankind has a prepencity for fear. Fear disolves your ability for clear judgement of things around you and perceptions of reality. The guy that was taken. The story "Fire in the sky" tells a horrific tale of alien abduction. However the first statement he makes is often he was "terrorfied". ofcourse if you take that mindset every action is going to see "bad".

As it is written. On the day of Judgement all will be pulled up. Then the good to the barn and the bad to the fire. We humans are likened to plants. We are souls, hopefully growing, and the "aliens" can be looked upon as the garden caretakers.

Fear clouds the mind's eye and keeps you from seeing the truth.

You should watch out. Who has given you the right to Judge what is evil and what is not.

The term Good and Evil from the bible and scriptures speaks of what GOD percieves as Wanted and unwanted.

Do you feel you're close enough to God to Judge for him?

You wouldn't know Good if it slapped you accross the mouth with a statement. You'd not know evil if you seen it in a mirror.

Be conserned always with the "unwanted" within yourself only. Make sure you're found as spotless upon your own judgement. Judge not. you have no rights to say what is evil outside yourself.

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Evil still exists... and taking someone without permission is an evil act.

They have their on agenda.
It is not to help man or serve God.

I don't have first hand experience but I know people who do.

www.alienresistance.org...
I also did the music for the radio show they sponsor Live From Roswell

Maybe some ETs are ok but some are not!

That's all self parranoia to keep you from doing what you should really be doing, and that is cleaning your being and making yourself more ready for the kingdom come. That in my book is an act of evil.

When You have time you could use to make yourself ready, but rather you'd spend your time looking for evil in other people and things, that's not what you should be doing at all.

Fearing Evil is not Trusting God. You're putting your own will over your creators and that's the evil that is unwanted.

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I don't fear it --- I fight it. That is what I'm suppose to do.

It loves to hide... it loves to have people believe it doesn't exist. So it is

important to expose it. Drag it into the light of day.

Evil is very real.

But Christ is stronger.

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That which your mind might mistakenly choose to believe is evil isn't evil. It is your perception of evil. It is a refection of evil from within you. It's a trick of evil to keep you from improving upon yourself.

Evil is hidding, within you. It is perclaiming to your mind that evil is to the north or to the south, when the biggest face of evil is dead center. Take that finger that so loves to "point out evil" and turn it toward yourself. That is rightiousness. If you can't face that then at least stand in front of a mirror while your pointing out.

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Ok try to do that while someone is raping your girlfriend. Or molesting your children. Or stealing money from your Grandmother...

Go look at pictures of the Nazi concentration camps. Or the child prostitution rings in Bangkok.

The tell me evil doesn't exist.

I say you're full of it.


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The most of the ETs are good hard working beings truly conserned for their own spiritual wellbeing.

Ofcourse every once in a while there will be a rebelion against the creator. That's to be expected in free willed creatures. Their minds run away with them. They lose focus.

Such is the case with Lucifer, Satan and "the devil" and their lot. They however are the minority, not the majority. The rebelion still exists in some contexts, but that was long ago and far away. Now a days the biggest evil you need worry about is the fall into mistaken perception. The devil is no longer to blame, you've been told and the devil has lost it's power over the world.

Each being will be judged for their own actions. You need consern yourself with your action. That is what you'll be judged for, and by the measure of that which you judged others, that will be the measure you'll be judged by.

You are filling up a whammy of a judgement card for yourself judging others so harshly.

Fear not those that can kill you but then can do no more, fear God that after your death of the phyical you can be judged to be put to death in the spiritual as well.

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Agreed. It is your perception of evil. I do not believe in evil spirits, for they started out the same as us, yet some Progressed, to a higher plane of existence, and some retrogressed to a lower plane of existence. I believe that the so called "EVIL" spirits are just Misguided. Some will continue to be Misguided, and soon turn into nothing, and others will see and start to progress. It is up to that Specific Soul.

That is what i believe.

Yes, yes, "You Say" I am full of evil, You say "they are full of evil" You say you're washed clean of evil. Your a fool in the folly of evil. You've got to know it to know what it truly is.

My brother, your "evil" is within you...

Yet another example of a misguided soul. They will pay a Karmic Debt when they leave that life. Everything we do, and say is replayed when we die, and the Karma Police are their.

No such thing as evil.
Just your perception i Suppose.

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well I'll trust my Bible over you. Sorry about that but it has a better reputation. Nothing personal.

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places., Ephesians 6:12

The greatest lie the devil ever told was that he didn't exist.

I'm going to sleep. Good night.

Don't Judge him so harshly. He would like to think he's empowered over "evil" when he really cowars before it. Sure for him it is easier to claim others outside himself to be "evil" but it's a strong spirit that is required to face the evil's true source. Within.

Im just watching the various back and forth goings on. and it makes me smile incarnated!
ahh, the vast expanse between 0 and 1!

"When they think that they know the answers,
people are difficult to guide.
When they know that they don't know,
people can find their own way."

this is the only truth that is.

You quote the passage but you miss the point.
We Wrestle NOT against Flesh: "ETs" are flesh.


The devil never said he doesn't exist. The "Greatest" Lie the devil ever told is that they were right and I was wrong.