reply to post by Bigwhammy

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well I'll trust my Bible over you. Sorry about that but it has a better reputation. Nothing personal.

hahaaha wait a second, you a basing this on the bible haha that is a funny one. I hope you are jokin haha. Sorry to sound right, but the bible has been changed and modified so many times since Christ walked earth. It was changed by so many Empires, and Religions, for the soul purpose of controlling the masses. To have more Power over the people.

Please tell me you are joking.
Hope you are.

I was not calling him misguided, i was calling the soul that did those things he mentioned. I was not Judging him at all.

reply to post by psychedeliack

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Did you assume I'm trying to guide? I'm really not. I realize to the fullest how stuborn people can be and that if you push they push back.

I play the fool, but I am no fool.

This back and forth isn't back and forth. It's a dance done in front of a crowded room. It is not the two "Dances" that are having the "face off" that are entertained as much as the crowded that is impressed and maybe even learns a new move or two.

So many mistake me. I find that a shame.

I was talking about the souls who did the stuff in Bold. I was not Judging him.

Please look upon my words with as much objectivity as one can manage. I didn't wish you to percieve I thought you were "Judging" him in that way. Judging is one of those words that have many meanings. Maybe I need learn some new words. LOL

i try to use terms as Objective as I can. My words should be read as such. Too many people put "negitive" or "Positive" spins on words and terms, and they miss what is truly being said that way.

reply to post by Incarnated

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It is probably me. I have mistaken words to mean different things. My Bad. This is why i like personal Meetings

You may think that Christians are "pretty narrow minded" ,Incarnated, to limit the population of the universe to merely GOD, ANGELS, AND MAN. Riiight??After all, there are "billions and billions" of stars which perhaps have planets, which perhaps have civilizations etc. However, within the classification of angels [non-human intelligent beings] exist diverse myriads. Hierarchies of innumerable angels still populate the universe. These angelic non-human intelligent beings built civilizations in our solar system -- even upon the Earth -- before Adam.

One might ask, "if rebel angels can imitate Godly miracles, how can one tell if angels are of God or rebellious? Couldn't they all be the same?" This is the confusion satan's minions have always sown. Keel,Sitchen, and many alternative UFOlogists fail to realize the very obvious distinction between God's angelic messengers and the deceptive manifestations of fallen angels. God's messengers always acted within the confines of God's Word, that is, their actions and the results of their actions were always Biblically, Lawfully, consistant. The results of interaction with an angel of God left the visitee with no doubts about the Biblical God, nor His revealed Word. In contrast, contact with "angelic" aliens and occult entities casts doubt on the validity of the Bible and leaves confusion concerning God's identity. Godly angelic encounters always gave glory to God and confirmed His Word, while deceptive angelic encounters, occult manifestations and aliens, lead humans away from God into increased occultism, self-deification, self-actualization, human potential, and a complete disregard for the validity of the Bible.

By their fruit ye shall know them...

Good night

reply to post by Incarnated

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I know
the true master guides without guiding.
who or what the true master truly is, is up to the seeker to figure.
Im sorry, Im not trying to make you out to be anyone or anything, I just get teary eyed witnessing such a dance. (happiness?)

please forgive me of my seeming ignorant or out of place

I know nothing.

just trying to lead some insight as to how I could watch my family be killed and know that evil had nothing to do with anything but illusions.
to me(i guess i should disclose), evil is the trick our minds play on us to make us think things that decay are worth killing over, the trick that causes us to forget god already took care of everything and that this universe lasted but an instant and was gone just as fast, that what we really are(a part of), is so much more than what all the knowledge in the universe can explain.
this is not just a belief I came up with out of nowhere(oh but it is(inside joke)), I have spent many many years in contemplation using the same rationality I use to discern a square from a circle to discern all that spirituality has to offer, is true.
sorry if my post seems pointless to the argument.


[edit on 29-2-2008 by psychedeliack]

All your other words must be not valid because you asked me a question and assumed the answer for me.

Ofcourse you were "wrong" about me saying "right". Christians are not narrow minded. You are.

reply to post by psychedeliack

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Nah! I'm just a points whore!



The longer I can keep people talking on my threads the more POINTS I rack up. I'm saving up for the ATS toaster!

reply to post by Incarnated

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ATS toaster, are you serious? thats so funny! reminds me of collecting Kool-Aid points!
that would be cool if the toaster cooked the ATS logo into your toast. we are talking about a real toaster right? lol

well, ill be listening off air...

Actually I was joking... ATS in the ats store doesn't offer a toaster.

The Toaster wasn't even a real fake toaster, it was a refrence to something else. LOL

reply to post by Bigwhammy

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I do not even know what to say. I have explained to you that the bible is mostly Bologna. Alas you are way too Devoted to Christianity by the looks of it. How about not being Religious, Instead be Spiritual. Religion is there to divide the people, just like nations.

The one thing that is the same with most religions is The Golden Rule.


Christianity "All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye so to them; for this is the law and the prophets."
Matthew 7:1

Confucianism "Do not do to others what you would not like yourself. Then there will be no resentment against you, either in the family or in the state."
Analects 12:2

Buddhism "Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful."
Udana-Varga 5,1

Hinduism "This is the sum of duty; do naught onto others what you would not have them do unto you."
Mahabharata 5,1517

Islam "No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself."
Sunnah

Judaism "What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellowman. This is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary."
Talmud, Shabbat 3id

Taoism "Regard your neighbor’s gain as your gain, and your neighbor’s loss as your own loss."
Tai Shang Kan Yin P’ien

Zoroastrianism "That nature alone is good which refrains from doing another whatsoever is not good for itself."
Dadisten-I-dinik, 94,5

www.teachingvalues.com...

The Same, Yet Divided.

[edit on 29-2-2008 by darcon]

everyone here i have to ask who reads this...
has anyone had a drastic surge in "psychic" activity?
i want to know because for around a year or so i've been having more deja vu and things similar to that happen... anyway i was asking because this in a way could pertain to that whole sense of spirit we're supposed to gain.

I woke up before the sun came up
thought yo better step my game up
put to shame the corrupt gluttony monkey
i been actin in a funky way junky sway
money play the track bandit dammit
sanskrit written on the inside of a tin of wishes
swim with the fishes in pamplona 2012
then you delve deeper im gettin sleepy
freak me the right way and i might lay right down
like the victim of a stray bullet round
pull it down like wool my eyes need to sleep people
wake on the steeple of the forgotten god odyssey
people formed purely of spirit
i dont need mass to stay passive
my last bid for clarity got chopped down along with my cherry tree
carry me to higher ground and let the earth shake and quiver
let me slake the rivers thirst with a sunfire burst vertical insertion
my assertion is that im trapped and manic man must panic antsy
please be the patsy and ill be the pastor
lets make a mask of my face out of plaster
act now the disaster is imminent belligerent
illiterate incisions cut deep obsequious
i completely distrust my government
my hades handbag comes complete with karmic damnation
if i werent so quick i would be caught thick in the midst
but i stay strong in a world gone wrong and hemorrhaging
remember things went right when wrong was ornery
honestly only one thing could act as the catalyst
would you like like to sign up for the end time battle list?

hello

Pardon my ignorance on this,

if i asked you to count from 1-10 and then go round and round after ten would come one, perhaps the Myans had a finite system. that after so long (2012) sets back to one and its a simple as that?????????

Nostradamus amibigous at best

pope malachi? its not beyond the Catholic Church to choose a pope to match, plus you will not know if the last pope, is that last pope until another arrives or he is the last pope etc etc.

as i said pardon my ignorance as i dont know too much about the myans and what they say about 2012

any good links?

reply to post by darcon

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You laughed at my faith and gave your arrogant opinion so I am giving you mine.

I am afraid your explanation is just plain wrong. The Bible is remarkably intact, especially of you go back to the original text in Greek and Hebrew. I frequently consult the original languages I am not a spoon fed robot. I don't need a GURU.

I am not as religious as you think, Religion is a man made system of corporate worship. The Bible is a collection of books. Just because I trust it over what a few self appointed internet gurus doesn't make me "religious" it makes me wise.

You guys are so full of your selves and your own nut-job ideas. You're decieved.

The Bible tells me what true religion is... hint: It is not self actualization on the friggin' astral plane...

(james 1)

Self actualization - Ascended masters - That's all crap - doctrines of demons and Fallen Angels. It's always with in -- self- self- self-self- self- self
selfish

You aren't capable of ascending -- Man is fallen - you need the Holy Spirit

The reason you guys can't see evil is that you're so sold out to it.



[edit on 2/29/2008 by Bigwhammy]

man ATS used to be a site that was respectable, getting the weekly mail of the most talked about and most flagged threads used to be interesting, finding out about what people thought of political changes, a conspiracy theory here and there, (UFOs still bugged me) but still. Now these crazies have taken over ATS. 2012 and the reptilian believers. 2012 is another year, YES the age of Aquarius does start in 2012, yes that is interesting. But these people take the astrological significance and change it, "THE WORLD IS GOING TO END!" NO, "GOD WILL COME FOR US!" NO! They didn't even believe in your god. "Astronomy will be changed" pretty much, NOTHING BIG IS GOING TO HAPPEN! 2012 is going to pass, your all gonna look like dumb asses and I'm gonna laugh.

The mayan's would have had a differnet date had they had a bigger rock.

You people are a long line of the insane who desperatly seek the end of the world.. why? I can only guess it's better than living in your mothers basement and wanking off to cheap porn.

Get a life. even a job.. but stop with the fear mongering.

It just makes you look desperate - like a dime store hooker without the ugly outfit.

Mind you, at least she wears something other than pjs.. you feral, you

[edit on 29-2-2008 by Vinty]

None of you have any idea of what is really happening. Just a bunch of teories and idea's.

The earth will not go under, but something really big will happen that will change humankinds understanding of the universe. It has nothing to do with aliens or disasters. Anyways, according to the previous arrangements it was 2012, but that date has changed because of somethings that are currently unfolding on earth. So there is no set date yet. Actually, something big should have happened 2002, but that date was changed as well. So the thing that should have happened 2002 has not even happened, so first that thing have to come and then after that, the 2012 event will come. This whole affair begun 1992. I can't disclose so much and humans are not allowed to know so much, and even if I told you you wouldn't believe it. All I can say is that the future humankind are so blessed.