Barack Obama will be The Anti Christ

reply to post by FlyersFan


I never said the Vatican was on the 7 hills of Rome. I said the Vatican was in Rome. And to clarify to you, the Catholic church is the most corrupt of all christian religions. It sways away from the true teachings of christ. It implimented sunday morning worship (worship of the pagan sun god) along with easter (worship of the god and goddess of fertility) and christmas (the celebration of the sun god rising after 3 days of being at it's lowest point). Most of traditional christianity follows those three things though they are pagan in origin. Most people would frown at this fact because it's been part of the chistian life for about 1500 years. The Roman Catholic Church has decieved christianity and the religious beast in revelations is a great deciever. Just put 2 and 2 together, it's not hard to figure out. I also want to point out that I mean no disrespect to people attending catholic mass because you have been brought up to believe this stuff. I only offer the truth in hopes that some people will research and realize the true followings of Christ lie in the pages of the Bible.

Originally posted by Locoman8
the Catholic church is the most corrupt of all christian religions.

Nope. They all have equal corruption problems. It's just that it's more fun to chatter about the problems in the Catholic church then the other ones. It's more in style.

It sways away from the true teachings of christ.

Says you. There are 2 billion Christians on this planet and there are probably 2 billion different interpretations of what the 'true' teachings of Christ are. No one has the corner on that .. no matter what they claim.

It implimented sunday morning worship .

Oh .. I get it. You are one of those 7th Day Adventists.
The group that David Koresh and the Branch Davidians broke from.
Right?

reply to post by SteveR
hi, i thought i was the only one that was thinking that. since ive seen him ive had this very bad feeling. then it came to me, what does his name mean... youll never guess what i found out... Barack = the blessed. His middle name Hussein = handsome one. Obama = terroriest . hows that for irony.

reply to post by FlyersFan


First off, the Roman Catholics are the most corrupt because they started the mess between the Catholic/Protestant way of teaching. Protestants, which make up many different denominations, were originated through the catholic church but got tired of the chain-of-command system the church went by so they broke off starting the the Protestant Reformation in England. Though they broke away from the Roman Catholics, they still kept many of the traditions.

I don't follow the 7th day advenists. I hate cocky people who just assume. If you read your bible, the 7th day is the original day of worship. The sabbath is to remain holy through the commandments. Catholics changed the day of worship to sunday in order to separate themselves from the Jews and to bring in more pagans to christianity. The pagans worshiped the sun on the morning of the first day, so through Constantine, they changed it. Easter replaced Passover because it appealed to former pagans who worshiped the god and goddess of fertility on easter. Christmas was created by the Catholics so the pagans could worship the rise of the sun god after being at it's lowest point of the year. Do your research before you try and bash me. I'm a follower of the original "Church of God" which was started by the apostles Paul, Peter, and Phillip in 31 AD. It is now known as the United Church of God and decades ago was known as the Worldwide Church of God until corruption plagued the church through the likes of people like Ronald Weinland. Weinland started the Church of God (PKG) and others formed new churches of God but the origins remained with the UCG. That's what I believe and you can check out their website at www.gnm.com. Stop bashing unless you have the stuff to back up your bashing!!!

I don't care is Obama is the next antichrist, If the antichrist can put america back together I will vote for him. Although the Antichrist is just another antagonist from the novel some call the Bible. I and a lot of others realize that the Bible is just another book full of stories and fables with morales reminisent of Aesop. I read in the Doctrine of Seus that Obama eats green eggs and ham so that must be true as well.

THE ANTICHRIST FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!LONG LIVE THE ANTICHRIST

As long as the Antichrist doesn't turn wine back into water when he comes i will be happy, without wine there truly would be hell/

reply to post by Locoman8


Actually the Vatican is in Vatican City, not at all affiliated with Rome.

reply to post by Stumpy1


Vatican is the smallest state in the world, based in Rome in Italy. It is a separate state in itself but sits on the northwest side of the river in Rome. Get the facts straight my friend!

The Vatican is among the most important historical sites in the world. The seat of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, The Vatican is also the home of the Pope. As the smallest state in the world, the Vatican has figured in key events throughout history. Occupying about one half kilometer of Rome, The Vatican is further significant because of its fabulous architecture, religious, and artistic treasures. It was Pope Julius II della Rovere in the 16th century who commissioned Michelangelo to paint the history of creation on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Among countless other notable events in the history of this important city are the convening of the College of Cardinals, at the death of a reigning Pontiff, for the purposes of electing a new Pope.

Originally posted by Locoman8


The Vatican is among the most important historical sites in the world. The seat of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, The Vatican is also the home of the Pope. As the smallest state in the world, the Vatican has figured in key events throughout history. Occupying about one half kilometer of Rome, The Vatican is further significant because of its fabulous architecture, religious, and artistic treasures. It was Pope Julius II della Rovere in the 16th century who commissioned Michelangelo to paint the history of creation on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Among countless other notable events in the history of this important city are the convening of the College of Cardinals, at the death of a reigning Pontiff, for the purposes of electing a new Pope.

As written on yahoo! travels. It occupies 1/2 a kilometer of Rome, but is independent from the city. Vatican City is surrounded by Rome and was considered part of Rome until 1929 when it was recognized as it's own city/state.

Originally posted by Locoman8
the Roman Catholics are the most corrupt because they started the mess

That's a weak statement. Totally subjective and historically wrong.

Oh .. and God isn't sending people to hell because they pick Sunday to be the 'official day to get together and worship Him' instead of Saturday. Christians worship God on all days of the week. If they choose to make Sunday an official day to get together for worship instead of Saturday - God isn't going to rain down fire on their heads. That's insane.

I hate cocky people who just assume.

Tsk tsk. Hating people isn't very Christian, ya' know?

You speak exactly like a 7th Day Adventist. So if you are not one of them, then which anti-Catholic cult do you belong to? Your www.gnm.com. post just comes up to a job search website.

If you read your bible,

We read the bible plenty in this house. Your INTERPRETATION is different from those of others. That's something you need to realize. There are 2 billion Christians on this planet and nearly as many interpretations of the bible. No one has it right.

Do your research before you try and bash me.

Back atchya. YOU are the one doing the bashing here. Do YOUR research. The Catholic Church isn't 'the anti-christ' and can't be 'the beast'. There are very few people in the Catholic church who actually follow it's beliefs and rules. The Catholic Church is not 'loved, worshipped or adored' and it's rules are generally not followed. It doesn't have a charismatic leader who the world looks to and who they follow. Not really. It's a relic and a dinosaur in this day and age.

I'm a follower of the original "Church of God" which was started by the apostles Paul, Peter, and Phillip in 31 AD.

Oh? I'm a follower of Jesus Chirst and His Church which was started by Christ Himself the night of Passover, the day before He was crucified.

BTW - Peter was the first pope and he started the CATHOLIC Church. The unbroken line of sucession from him is documented. And Peter and Paul didn't like each other - just FYI.

Stop bashing unless you have the stuff to back up your bashing!!!

Oh that's funny! Back atchya again.

reply to post by FlyersFan


You disappoint me. Peter was not the first Pope. It was Simon Peter who earlier was known as Simon Magus. Peter, the brother of Christ was one of the founders of the Church of God, and it was the same church Christ started but the apostles spread the word to make the church a foundation. That's what I was getting at when I said the apostles founded the church. The Acts of the apostles chronicles the spreading of the Church and also the division started by Simon Magus. As far as the day of worship is concerned, it's true that you can worship any day you want but God makes it clear that the 7th day is his day and that no one work or leave the confines of the city. It is the one day set aside for the teaching of the scripture and commandments of God. The sabbath is a commandment that has not been upheld. We were given 6 days to go about our own everyday business but the 7th day was the holy day of rest. I'm not gonna get into it with you anymore. I was also going to add that I'm not referring to the people who go to catholic mass, but the catholic church itself that is corrupt.

reply to post by Locoman8


Well you said it. It is the smallest state in the world, STATE, italy is a country and Rome is a city. The Vatican is in no way under the control or under any laws set down upon them by Italy and they Rome has no jurisdiction in Vatican City, it is an entity in and of itself, The fact that it is located in or around Rome has nothing to do with the Vaticans government. I was right the first time.

Originally posted by Locoman8
You disappoint me.

I don’t care. That's your problem.

Peter was not the first Pope.

Yes, he was. List
Church documentation

Peter, the brother of Christ

No where in the bible does it say that Christ had siblings. It DOES say that he had 'brethren'. But no where in the original text does it say that Mary and Joseph had children or that Christ had siblings. The original words were ‘brethren’ – which in that language meant blood relatives – which could be anything from a sibling to a distant cousin. Educational material here

I'm not gonna get into it with you anymore.

Good! It’s rather time consuming to try to reeducate you from your anti-Catholic teachings.


THE TOPIC IS - Barack Obama wil be the Anti Christ.




[edit on 3/27/2008 by FlyersFan]

reply to post by FlyersFan


There is more than one Peter and though the Bible doesn't prove the apostle Peter is Jesus' brother, the lost books of the bible do. You have to remember that council of men decided what scripture to add to the New Testament. Many books from the "Lost Books of the Bible" don't explain the glory or wonder of Christ like the original 4 gospels do but they have much history and geneology in them. Also, researchers have determined this also. Peter's tomb (not the catholic founder Simon Peter) was engraved, "Peter, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus" on it. The History Channel documented the find when archaeologists were allowed to go into what was believed to be the tomb of Jesus himself near Jerusalem. The find was not the tomb of Jesus but the tomb of some of his apostles. The "St. Peter" of the catholic church is Simon Peter (Magus) and the Peter, apostle of Christ was the Peter who helped start the Church of God. Simon Peter and Paul hated each other, but Peter and Paul worked parallel with each other. Peter was to spread the message of Christ to the Jews and Paul was to spread the message to the gentiles. Thank you for such a spirited debate but as you see, I have an answer for all of your comebacks. You obviously have your heart set one way, and I also want to add that it's cute how you add little snippets of what I said and twist them up so you can criticize me though there was more to it than, "you dissapoint me" or "the catholic church is the most corrupt because of the mess they started" and you know damn well that my points made about this subject are accurate. I don't hate you either, even though I said that I hated cocky people. I dislike cocky people. I've read the different things you write in these threads. I never see anything positive from you or in agreement. Are you here simply to start opposition with people? I'm just curious. I'm not attacking you, I just want to know if you ever agree with people. Are you one of those people who has to be right, no matter what?

Well, gee, you managed to find 9 (at least 3 of them you apparently made up) prophecies that you can spin to try to fit one someone.

What about the other 37 prophecies that the church that CREATED the anti-Christ says need to be fulfilled too?
See, you are not allowed to "pick and choose" what parts of the prophecy you want to believe and what parts you want to ignore, no matter how much you may hate someone, nor can you spread poorly constructed lies about them.

I will list just a few of the prophecies that you decided weren't good enough for you to use them to bash someone you don't know. Remember, this is what biblical scholars as well as the Vatican say need to be in place fir someone to truly be the anti-Christ.

He will rise among 10 kings - Daniel 7:8
This 10 nation union will be a revived Holy Roman Empire

His 10 nation union will merge into a world government which he will dominate - Revelations 13:1-2

Only one nation......sorry. It does sound a bit like the EU though.

He will be promoted and exalted by a miracle working religious partner (false prophet) - Revelations 13:11-12

I don't see any of his aids raising people from the dead in his name, do you?

The world government over which he rules will be a red (communistic or socialistic) government - Revelations 17:14

Boy, that sounds just like the USA , doesn't it?

Originally posted by Lotiki
There are dozens more.

I grow tired and no longer wish to try to argue this. It is obvious to most people that you have done NO research, and simply wanted to bash someone you don't agree with.

agreed. they may have other reasons than simply not agreeing with him tho..

i hadn't heard this nonsense until this past spring-equinox weekend when i placed a call back to the family, who then told me that a sibling was conflicted due to the fact that they heard obama was the AC...

i replied with the notion of "well, i heard on the internets it was john mccain - mc-cain, son of cain.. think about it - he's clearly the AC" .. and it actually worked.. can't believe they fall for that crap.. alas.. thank you ats for giving me s'more useful rumors to feed the sheeple.

i have now heard that obama is actually the tooth-fairy -- it seems about as plausible as this other stuff..

Bush was said to be the AC the past 2 elections-OMG-now its Obama. I suppose Hillary couldn't be the AC cuz shes a woman, right?Every election years its the same. Considering the "definition" of the AC- I've not seen anyone out there that fits that type of description & could do ALL that.
"The Number of The Beast"-666- I've always interpreted that to be about computers, or 1 giant super-computer. "the mark of the beast" (this is MY interpretion of it, I'm not saying "this is exactly what it is") would be those computer chips the gov wants people to begin getting-like they microchip dogs for when they get lost- so the gov can keep track of you-but they want it to seem like its "for your own personal safety" if you will.
IMO the AC isn't 1 person, its the whole group whos bent on manipulation & control of the planet & everyone on it, using up all the natural resources at the same time.

Before Obama came around people were speaking of this Anti-Christ having two religions or be a mixed race leader who brings together the religions of the world.

It's 2008 - 2012 is 4 years away which makes that prophecy even more scarey. 7 years of Tribulation period, maybe were are half way through and mid 2008 is the 3 and a half years before anything happens. 2008 + 3.5 = 2011.5 nearly 2012. So when are these American elections again?

so 2012 - 7years = 2005. What happened in 2005 that was important?
People can guess but believe me not even Jesus knows as the Bible states because it's kept secret from him too.

reply to post by The time lord


Well, though I don't believe Barack is the ac, I can give you more fuel for the fire. In 2005, he became a senator. Maybe that'll help. Also, Katrina happened in 2005. You can pinpoint many things to 2005. I just want to clarify that it's not a 7 year tribulation. It's a 3 1/2 year tribulation. The first 3 1/2 years are a time of corrupt peace that will be broken when the beast declairs himself/herself god and starts to persecute all christians, jews and orthadox muslims. The final 3 1/2 years are considered the tribulation.

Its difficult for me to imagine 1 person doing all that-declaring himself god, persecuting all the religions/cultures etc- without ALOT of back lash from the people/public. Its like another Hitler Scenario. I just can't see people putting up with that, at least in the U.S.- I know it'd take a helluva lot for someone to convince me that they're "god". Then if I saw/felt fear from that person, I'd KNOW they aren't god, because I beleive "god" isn't fear, persecution & death- "god" represents to me love, harmony & peace. Its defenitely an interesting subject & I'm just gonna see what happens but I'm not going around worried about it.