I was going to say the same thing, that is the point of it, someone who is God like in a big way, they can probably do anything really to a certain degree. With that comes the religious backing of their choice.
They can Pose as a Jesus and have Muslims and Christians uniting since they both believe in him but in different ways. Then with that he can have a backing to destroy the Jews, which Muslims would not say no to since that is in thier prophecy. But is in Christian prophecy that the anti Christ will want this.
What a better leader than the one that can unite the two world's biggest religions, well untill Christians see the deceptions, which the Muslims and athiests won't see by then. But the two witnesses will seem as the anti-Christs and they will be killed in Isreal and rise to heaven. Then the deception will take place and people will fall for that so there is a lot of confusion in that time and people will think the war of Gog and Magog with Russia and Iran attacking isreal will be Armageddon which it's not.

The Beast that was, is not, and yet is, is a reference to a position that was filled
at one point in history and seems to be unfilled at the moment, but really isn't, that being Emperor of the Known World.

People believe there is no world emperor, but fact o' the matter is, there's been a world Emperor since Babylon. The key is in the order of the empires, as they appear on the scene. The cut off point is number five, which is the Holy Roman Empire, at which point, the position of Emperor of the World, appears to be empty, but really isn't. It hasn't been empty for thousands of years. We currently have a world Emperor and it's the same emperor of the fifth Empire.

There are 2 individuals in particular to consider:
one is the military arm of the antichrist (Jesuit General, otherwise known as the "black" pope, who is not literally black. that's just a title)
the second is the one who looks like a lamb but speaks as a dragon (the Pope), which is a reference to him appearing to be christian, but really not a christian. How does the pope speak as a dragon? I have no clue. If anyone knows how a dragon speaks, please explain it here.

That's the reality of it all. The most powerful organization on this planet is the Holy Roman Empire, which STILL controls the entire world, now they just do it threw proxies. We still have an Emperor.


The order of World Empires:

1. Babylon
2. Medo-Persian
3. Grecian
4. Roman (Pagan)
5. Roman (Holy)
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6. A Proxy of #5
7. A Proxy of #5
8. A Proxy of #5

6, 7 and 8, are under much debate, as none of them is actually running the show, they are merely proxies of #5, but a possible past example is the British Empire, which rules our country anyway. It's all trickle down from #5, which has so much accumulated power, you simply would not believe it.



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But the only Empire that fits the bill today that persecute Jews in their own homeland is of an Islamic alliance.

Well remember, the key word is "Empire" and the key phrase "was, is not, yet is." Compare Daniel's empire statue to Revelation's Beast that was, is not, and yet is. Daniel's empire list accounts for the first 5, which leads up to the Holy Roman (miry clay and iron of the ten toes). In Revelation, the fifth empire appears to be defeated, but it isn't, cause it's the beast that was, is not, yet is. It's gotten very creative and uses the next three empires as proxies. The final one, the eighth, is the culmination of it, the final ruling empire ruled by proxy.

Iraq is ancient Babylon and will lead the world astray as mentioned in Revelations and will come to its destruction as a City of world trade like it once was. But it maybe not an Empire as such but could be it's centre of Trade, but maybe not Religion as that aspect could still be Rome.
Iron mixed with clay? Rome mixed with Babylon - Europe and Arabia?

well the guys are in charge, so they even have control of the islamic nations. they aren't beholden to anyone but themselves, so they will screw over whoever they need to, to stay in power. my personal opinion is that all the world leaders are on the same page with rome and have been since before christ died.

I have to say, as an Obama supporter, I find this topic really amusing.

In any event, I felt the need to comment on this one post:

Originally posted by The time lord
They say God shows harsh judgement on the Jews for leaving thier nation and for forgetting God's promise of it that this is why the World never accepted them and have treated them badly as as their curse.

Well "they" must not have studied much history... Jewish people were first forcibly expelled from the capital of Jerusalem... then later, the Crusaders came along and virtually wiped out entire communities of Jewish people while they were simultaneously slaughtering Arab people (Jews and Arabs fought together against the Crusaders....) But -- prior to the expulsion from Jerusalem, Jews had already migrated to many parts of the Roman Empire.

Originally posted by The time lord
It was a curse for not listening to God which was to go back to their land of Isreal as instructed but it was prophecied that they will gather from their scattered nations and return home .

Until 1948, there was no land of Israel to return to. The territory "Palestine" was a province of Southern Syria and under Arab rule. Not until the 1800's did large numbers of Jews (and also Arabs from surrounding areas) begin to emigrate to what is today Israel.

Originally posted by The time lord
But the only Empire that fits the bill today that persecute Jews in their own homeland is of an Islamic alliance. But ever since Islam of 600AD it has never been broken up, it still is religious force so an Empire that resulted in that time is around today, so that can be considered.

Actually the Sunni/Shiite split in Islam is fairly significant... Arabs (and to an even greater extent, Muslims as a whole) are not some monolithic force in the world. There are many differences (cultural, language, goals) between Arab countries, and definitely between predominantly Muslim countries.

Originally posted by The time lord
The only national empire that goes against the Jews are the Arabs Islamic rule and their surrounding nations against Isreal. They won't allow the Jews to visit Temple Mount and you know that anything the Jews want goes against Islamic teaching and way of life

Jordan controls the Dome of the Rock (the mosque that was built on the Temple Mount). Jews visit the Temple Mount all the time... ever hear of the Western Wall? As for the Mosque, that is a holy religious place for Muslims, so why would Jews want to enter it? Also, your suggestion that "anything the Jews want goes against Islamic teaching" is fairly ridiculous. Just in terms of basic theology (leave politics out for a moment), Judaism has a lot more in common with Islam than Christianity. For example, an Orthodox Jew could enter a mosque and pray, but could never do that at a Christian Church (because of the depicted images of God, which are a no-no for Jews and Muslims, and also the whole praying to a man thing, which would be considered idolatry by Jews or Muslims).

Originally posted by The time lord
Now that the Arabs have grown in number they have become bullish in their attempt to secure every drop of the Middle East territory as theirs even though Isreal is 1% of it.

That's a pretty simplistic view of a very complicated problem. The Arabs that live within Israel proper are Israeli citizens already and participate in the democracy. The issue is the "occupied territories." Arab countries haven't launched an offensive war directly against Israel since the 70's (and without Egypt, which has a "cold peace" with Israel, they never will again), so I don't think you can say that they "want" the territory. However, they sure don't want to help the Palestinians either.... Palestinians tried to overthrow the king in Jordan in 1970, and they were massacred. If the other Arab countries can keep that problem inside of Israel, it's to their advantage.

which will be determined in 2009. Elections are taking place this year for a President of the EU. That person may well be the political beast as the pope will be the religious beast.

actually that's where people get tripped up. the pope's seat is both political and religious. it's run by two figureheads, one covertly, the other overtly. The covert faction (The Jesuits) acts as the pope's mafia (sometimes turning on the pope and killing him if he doesn't go along with something the jesuits have their mind set on). it's fits the description of how the one figure head causes the rest of the world to worship the other figure head.

if you ever get a chance, check out "Vatican Assassins." It's very interesting.

If you literally believe what you read in the bible says about the anti christ, you will not be guessing. It tells you that you will know who he is if you have knowledge. No guessing.

Originally posted by Buck Division
I read in an ATS post last week that the main qualification for the Anti Christ was that this individual would have to speak out, and directly oppose, Jesus Christ and his teachings.

I've been looking for that thread (but can't find it.)

But, if that is true, I don't see how anyone who professes to be a Christian could possibly be the Anti Christ.

That also goes for Muslims, who also completely revere Jesus Christ, in their own way.

So, is that true? If it is, how could Barry Obama be the Anti Christ?

Careful of being too literal. The opposition would be in the actions. Speaking as Christ but not acting as Christ did. Remember and "He will come in my name".

Also, the Anti-Christ will assist- not rule. The way is being paved for Satan- not Satan's Anti-Christ.

The most important thing to watch for is that the Anti-Christ will be defeated- not destroyed!

And the Anti-Christ's identity will not be revealed until his defeat- he must be defeated at the seat of Satan. The Anti-Christ is merely warming the throne, folks.

This is a very interesting time because it is happening right now. Trying to guess who he is- that's the smoke screen to hide his identity. There is right now, an unholy trinity and any of the three are equal suspects as two hide the real identity.

The seat is not in Rome and nor is it in Jerusalem. It is much farther East!



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He will come in the name of Christ. Think about the Pope. The pope is said to be the human representation of Christ even though the bible opposes titles of such glory to men. He has the face of a righteous man but the toung of a dragon like the book of revelations says. YOu are looking the wrong way if you thing Obama is the A.C. You only need to look in the EU with the Pope and future president of the EU.