It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Barack Obama will be The Anti Christ

page: 10
52
<< 7  8  9    11  12  13 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 05:17 AM
link   
Seriously, I don't think Obama is the AC. Not because I would vote for him and not because I think he's not able to or the facts from the bible don't fit on him. I just don't know if they really can fit because there is so much crap going around on the internet that people can't difference anymore what's made up from humans minds or what's a quote from the bible.
My question is if the idea that Obama is the AC was your own thought or if you heard it before from others. Just because others spread romours about Obama as the AC suddenly everyone believes it and has his instinct telling him so! I think that's just weird.
Many people are talking about their bad feelings about Obama and their instincts telling them there's something strange about him. But have you already thought about that there are 2 sides that could give you these feelings?? Why must it always be the good one inside of you?
I have the impression that many guys are trying to find out if Obama is the AC just to not fall into adoration on him if he is the one, like the bible says that everyone will worship him. It makes no sense not now not vote for him so he does not come to power - and you have saved the world...!!! The AC will come to power anyways he won't need you to vote for him or not!
And actually nobody can know what time he will come and when all that end of time things will start. If God wanted us to know he would have told us!!
Do you really want to waste so much time on the Obama-AC-stuff that may not even be true instead of concentrate on a life for God - IF you believe in the things that are told in the bible.
If you don't believe in all the bible says and especially that Jesus died for you it makes no sense to me why you are interested in the Antichrist.
If you think a little about what I said maybe you will recognize it if its the AC whos president, but this knowledge can only be from God.

be blessed
and think a little





posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 12:39 PM
link   
If you read the new testament, the first 4 books are the gospel of Christ. Gospil translates to "Good News." The good news of a comeing kingdom of God. The statement that He would have told us if He wanted us to know is kind of hypocritical if you call yourself a christian. It's all there in the Old and New Testament as for the signs of the time. In Daniel it mentions the "increase of knowledge" in the endtime. No generation has had more technilogical advances until this generation. It also states that mankind will have the means to destroy all life on the planet. We have that now thanks to WMD's. Natural disasters are happening more frequently and stronger than past events. There are plans in work for a one world government which started with the EU and will continue through the NAU and other super-Unions. Barcodes and RFID chips hold a sequence of 6's evenly distributed. The mark of the beast, they say is the only way to buy or sell in the end times. When buying a product, a barcode with the numbers 666 are scanned. Some companies are putting RFID chips on products as well which have the same make-up of a barcode in order to track sales. RFID chips are already in place for pets and the elderly. Soon it will be a requirement in order to buy or sell because this chip will hold your checking account number and ss# along with any other thing that identifies you. The National ID Card that is to take place this year or next year is the start of the implants. It's a pre-trib version of the chip. The bible states what kind of environment we will be living in. It states the advances, wars, even all of the rises of the Roman Empire. The 7th being the EU. He will come like a theif in the night to those who are blind and asleep. Those of us awake and sober will know what to look for and it's knocking at our doorstep.



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 12:50 PM
link   
reply to post by Locoman8
 


As much as I love your avatar and your piously pithy commentary- there is nothing true in the bible with the exception of the commandments and covenants.

Want o stick to prophecy and scripture- well I cannot argue there as I believe very little. However, all hints with Revelation and other prophets since have agreed on one thing.

All the world will wonder after the beast. As in wonder who he is. However the true beast shall not be revealed until his defeat. There will be many anti-Christs. This is to disguise the true identity of the real Anti-Christ.

This WILL NOT be known until his defeat and Satan takes the throne. Watch out for the lies and literal translations- that is how they trick us all through religionist lies.



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 01:11 PM
link   
reply to post by dk3000
 


Why would you say that none of the bible is true except the commandments and covenants? Prophecy is there to warn us of the deception. I won't sit here and pretend I know everything that will happen. I have a general idea of what can happen. My eyes are peeled and my spill about the chips and such are just what I see happening which fit the prophecies spoken by Daniel, St. John the Divine, and Christ himself.

So you like my avitar? I thought it was neat. Chicken Little knew something was up when the sky started to fall. It's symbolism for the way I feel. I know something is happening in this world and I know it's linked with the prophecy I study in the bible. I feel like chicken little screaming to everyone that the sky is falling but nobody will listen to me. That's the symbolism behind my avitar. I'm glad you like it.



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 01:23 PM
link   
reply to post by Locoman8
 


Just remember that when you see the Anti-Christ, he see's you. The information that was coded in the bible is help us see. Also, the commandments and covenants clearly state that everything else is deception. The translations by scholars, historians and church officials are all minions of Satan- which is why the only REAL warning is to trust no man.

Man will place himself on the throne of God (become deity). The greatest lesson for us all is that it will be a man- until he is unseated by Satan. This is why there will be many Anti-Christs.

Man cannot be trusted. Not even me. Thats the truth!

Our protection from the divine is the wonder as to who it is. If you know- you will be attacked....

So do you really want to know? Think you will get extra points in your favor by warning people? People will not listen and if they do- can you imagine the danger you are putting them into?

God does have our backs and will take care of it. Its best that we do what we can to show God that we honor Him. This empowers the light of creation and destroys the dark agenda.



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 02:48 PM
link   
reply to post by dk3000
 


Wow dude, that's some deep $#!+. I mean, you are telling me I shouldn't trust you so I am now going to not trust you. You can trust me though. I'm an honest person who is expressing opinion I feel is true. I am by no means, an anti-christ. Have I ever had doubts? Yes. Do I now? Only about what exactly will happen but not about my faith in Christ and our Lord God. I know that most sectors of christianity can be considered anti-christ because they keep traditions and doctrines of men instead of God. They worship on sunday instead of saturday (which is a commandment). They celebrate easter instead of passover and christmas which is not even the month christ was born in. They abandon the holy days of passover, feast of tabernacles, and days of unleavened bread because a certain church and it's splinter groups say Jesus changed all that. No he didn't. He just made those holy days mean something more than the Jewish holy days. This church and splinter groups are the Roman Catholic church and the Protestant churches and Evangelicals. The true Church of God keeps the only true doctrines of God and Christ. This chuch has not adopted pagan rituals or holidays. You can trust me. I've done the research while searching for my faith and the search finally stopped when I found the United Church of God. www.ucg.org. Check it out and read about it.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 12:25 AM
link   
I have actually studied the Bible quite a lot on this subject and I do not believe Obama fits the criteria based on the actual biblical prophecies. As far as I can tell there are 42 prophecies the Antichrist must fulfill prior to being mortally wounded with a head wound. Then after this are 3 additional prophecies he must fulfill.

The first being having the head wound healed and essentially as some believe rising from the dead. There would be 45 in all. If you look at some of these it is very hard for Obama to meet them. However, I will say that unlike most researchers into this subject I do NOT ascribe to the idea that the Bible is absolutely 100 percent literal. I think that is nonsense. There is definitely lots of symbolism. So conceivably some of these prophecies may not actually seem to be what they are.

Still, looking at them and even being liberal in the interpretation, it is basically out of the question Obama is the Antichrist IMO based on scripture. And let me just add that no I do not believe that Revelation refers simply to Caligula and Nero. There is a double meaning there and it is not strictly historical as many want to believe. This is because the Bible correlates many of these prophecies in other books like Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, etc.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 12:45 AM
link   
What happens if he wins and some redneck takes him out? Could you imagine what a sh**storm would ensue?



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 07:16 AM
link   
reply to post by SteveR
 


whats the point of noin the anti christ ..i dont plan on being here 4 all that..if u no what i mean



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 07:21 AM
link   
reply to post by bigbert81
 


well rere if this guy really is the anti christ hes gonna win ..so i dont think thread will make a diff so y wud he try this to make ppl vote 4 the other guy?



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 07:24 AM
link   
reply to post by Locoman8
 


hey lets meet in heaven when were at this sinful earth



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 11:54 PM
link   
reply to post by AudioWave
 


No man has ever entered heaven. None but the Son of God. Scripture points that out. When you die, you are in a coma-like sleep until the return of Christ. We will not see heaven for it is a spiritual world for God and his angels. Earth is man's home and when Christ returns, he will rule earth in a world government and peace. That's what the 1000 year peace is talking about. After that, the judgement happens and if you do not repent while being judged, you will remain dead forever. "The punishment of sin is death." Even Hell is a spiritual world. Satan, the beast and all fallen angels will burn in the pits of hell but man will never see hell, only be dead forever and miss out on the glory of God's kingdome.



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 08:10 PM
link   
hey guys dun believe about this Anti Christ thingy........ its all about politics.Barack is a good guy remember. Its just wanted Barack loose his reputation. Thats y they post this type of things. Its natural......

Its all about politics.......................



posted on May, 7 2008 @ 11:22 AM
link   
To the OP.

The idea of an Antichrist Son of Perdition has no biblical foundation. John speaks in general terms and not about a single person. John says in his epistles, the only places where the word Antichristos is written, that anyone who denies that Jesus was a historical person of flesh and blood is an or the Antichrist. As far as I know mr. Obama is a Christian who confess to the story of the Gospel, believing that Jesus came in flesh and blood. Antichristos simply means "one who oppose or denies Christ".



posted on May, 8 2008 @ 09:08 AM
link   
reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic
 


Anti-Christ is a group of people but what most people mean when saying the single anti-christ ruler, they are refering to the beast of revelation who will be the political leader of the world under Satan's control. So to all those out there talking about the single evil leader, please use the term, "beast of revelation" or something along those lines. I think that's what the op was trying to say, is that Obama is the political beast of revelation... though I don't agree with that. I don't like Obama but he's not the beast. I think this country is going down the #ters since the only liable candidate is ignored by the media. I'm talking about Ron Paul and he was the only way out of bankruptcy seeing that he was the only one with a plan to save money instead of spending it. We have Faux News, ABC, CNN, and all other news networks and programs to thank for the unjust media attention.



posted on May, 8 2008 @ 02:38 PM
link   

Originally posted by Locoman8
reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic
 


Anti-Christ is a group of people but what most people mean when saying the single anti-christ ruler, they are refering to the beast of revelation who will be the political leader of the world under Satan's control.


The beast, the one with seven heads and ten horns is basically the Roman Empire with it's predesessors. First we have Egypt, then we learn about Assyria, then comes Babylon with the captivity, then Medo-Peria, and after the Prince of Persia comes the Prince of Javan -- Greece, and then -- Rome. That's seven including the world dominance today, USA, and if you want to know about the ten horns, do a search for ten imperial circles of the Holy Roman Empire.


So to all those out there talking about the single evil leader, please use the term, "beast of revelation" or something along those lines. I think that's what the op was trying to say, is that Obama is the political beast of revelation... though I don't agree with that. I don't like Obama but he's not the beast. I think this country is going down the #ters since the only liable candidate is ignored by the media. I'm talking about Ron Paul and he was the only way out of bankruptcy seeing that he was the only one with a plan to save money instead of spending it. We have Faux News, ABC, CNN, and all other news networks and programs to thank for the unjust media attention.


Obama is a Christian, he's not the beast, neither will he ever sit down in the Temple of Jerusalem that will soon be built. He is not your man. Anyhow, the beast will be the leader of the world.



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 06:53 AM
link   
reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic
 


Your spill on the seven heads is a false one. It represents the 7 hills of Rome and the 7 rises of the Roman Empire... the seventh being the European Union we have today. The U.S. is one of the lost tribes of Israel. We are of the tribes of Joseph... the subtribe being Manasseh. The four beasts of daniel refer to the four empires of the world. Babylon, Medo-persian, Greece, and Roman Empires.



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 06:16 PM
link   
Read the whole verse, it says the seven heads are seven hills (Seven hills of Rome) and on top of that sits a woman (RC Church, one of the seven hills is the Vatican Height), the seven heads are also seven kings, five is fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia and Greece) one is now (Rome, the wounded head, Cæsar means wounded with sword or similar tool, the Roman Empire fell and rose again under the RCC Church) and one is yet to come (USA).



posted on May, 13 2008 @ 10:51 AM
link   
reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic
 


Is the E.U. the Revived Roman Empire?



Contender Ministries


Daniel chapters 2 and 7 reveal a strong connection between the formation of the European Union and end-times scripture. The possible fulfillment of this scripture began in 1950 when the Roman Empire began to show signs of being revived. In 1950 the European Coal and Steel Community was proposed as a means of achieving economic unification in Europe following the war. The hope was that this would strengthen economic trade in Europe. This unified effort led to the signing of the treaties of Rome in 1957, which established the European Economic Community (EEC), and the European Atomic Energy Council. That treaty was taken a step further with the signing of the Brussels Treaty in 1965. The Brussels Treaty began the process of rebuilding the old Roman Empire through reunification of European states under one political system, one economic system, and eventually under the protection of one military force. The treaty established a commission, council, parliament, and court for the union. The revived Roman Empire prophesied in the Bible was well on its way to becoming a reality.

More states were added to this growing union in 1973, 1981, and 1986, making up the 10 permanent member states of today’s European Union. In 2002, the Euro was introduced as the first step toward a unified single currency in Europe. Upon adopting the Euro, Portuguese Prime Minister Antonio Guterres raved, “As Peter was the rock on which the church was built, so the Euro is the rock on which the European Union will be built.” 3

The EU today is made up of over 25 countries, however the ten nations of the Western European Alliance have a separate status as full members, while those nations who joined subsequent to the original 10 have only associate membership, or observer status. This 10 nation military wing of the EU may very well fulfill the prophecy of the beast with 10 horns from Daniel 7:7-8 and Revelations 13:1. On this beast’s back will ride the woman that symbolizes a global religious system that is to appear before Christ returns to set up His kingdom.

The purpose of the EU’s creation was and is, ultimately, to create a European super-state or “United States of Europe”, as some have suggested naming it, that would eventually rival the United States in influence and military might. In 1999, Javier Solana became the High Representative for the EU’s foreign and security policy, and through recommendation 666, he was given emergency powers over the military wing of the EU in 2000. All that currently remains to create a truly revived Roman Empire is the creation of a permanent executive branch of government and the full integration of the new Euro currency. With the introduction of the new EU constitution, the groundwork is being laid for just such an executive branch and economic system.

So how does this all relate to Bible prophecy? Let’s start with the book of Daniel. Daniel chapter 2 records that the ancient Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar had a dream concerning the Last Days. No Babylonian could interpret the dream; however, Daniel, a captive of Judah, was able to interpret Nebuchadnezzar’s dream (Daniel 2:25-30), as God had already revealed the dream to him (Daniel 2:19-23).

Daniel 2:25-30 says, “You, O king, your thoughts came while you were on your bed about what would happen in the future, and the Revealer of Secrets informed you what will be. As for me, it is not because I possess more wisdom than any other being that this secret was revealed to me, but rather to make the interpretation known to the king, so that you may know what has occupied your thoughts.”

Daniel recounted the dream to Nebuchadnezzar, and interpreted the king’s dream of a huge statue by explaining the 4 major components of the statue.

1. A head of Gold

2. Breast and arms of silver

3. Belly and thighs of bronze

4. Feet of iron and clay

Most Bible scholars interpret these 4 components to represent the 4 major empires that have existed in the world’s history. Daniel confirms that the first of these empires is Babylon, ruled by Nebuchadnezzar.

Daniel 2:37-38 “Thou, O king, art a king of kings; for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of Gold.”

Daniel goes on to identify the second and third empires that will emerge following the Babylonian empire.

Daniel 2:39 “And after you will arise another kingdom inferior to you, and [then] another, a third kingdom, of copper, which will rule the whole earth.”

History records the empires that followed Babylon were Medo-Persia and Greece. Daniel 5 tells us that Nebuchadnezzar’s successor, Belshazzar, was conquered by Persia. The second empire of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream was established from modern-day Iran to Asia Minor (Turkey).

The third empire to arise (Daniel 2:39b) and rule the earth was Greece, whose reign began at the time of Alexander the Great. The fourth empire will be a revived model of this Roman Empire. Daniel did, after all, tell Nebuchadnezzar that his vision was about “what will be at the End of Days” (Daniel 2:28). The fourth empire is described as follows:

Daniel 2:40 “It will be strong, yet mixed. It will be a diverse empire (part of potters clay and part of iron, the kingdom will be divided), but will be strong (but there shall be in it of the strength of iron)

Prophecies elsewhere in the Bible also describe this fourth empire of the final days, and by studying these we can examine further any indications that would point to the European Union as the final world empire that will be ruled by the antichrist before Messiah returns.

DANIEL’S VISION OF 4 BEASTS

Following Nebuchadnezzar’s reign, Daniel also had a vision of these 4 kingdoms, but this time they were represented by 4 beasts. (Daniel 7:1-24)

The first beast in Daniel 7:4 is described as being “like a lion, and it has eagles wings”. Interestingly, the emblem of the ancient Babylon was a lion with eagles wings.



posted on May, 13 2008 @ 10:52 AM
link   
The second beast is described in Daniel 7:5 – “Then behold! Another beast, a second one, similar to a bear; it was placed on one side, and there were three ribs in its mouth between its teeth; and this is what they said to it, ‘Arise, devour much flesh!’” The second beast in Daniel 7 is generally accepted as being Medo-Persia because Persia devoured much of the Middle East and Asia, and the Persian Empire had three capitals, Susa, Persepolis, and the conquered Babylon.

Of the third beast Daniel 7:6 says “After this I was watching and behold! Another beast, like a leopard, with four bird’s wings on its back; the beast had four heads, and it was given dominion”. This beast is symbolic of the empire of Greece left behind by Alexander the Great. When Alexander the Great died in 323 C.E., his empire was divided between and ruled by 4 of his generals.

The following verses describe the 4th beast, or kingdom of Daniel’s dream.

Daniel 7:7-8 “After this I was watching in night visions, and behold! A fourth beast, exceedingly terrifying, awesome and strong. It has immense iron teeth, and it was devouring and crumbling, and trampling its feet what remained. It was different from all the beasts that had preceded it, and it had ten horns. As I was contemplating the horns, behold! Another horn, a small one, came up among them, and three of the previous horns were uprooted before it. There were eyes like human eyes in this horn, and a mouth speaking haughty words”.

Daniel 7:23 “Thus he said, the fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon the earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it to peaces.

In the first verse we see a fourth beast with 10 horns. The small horn, speaking haughty words, rises up and conquers three of them. This represents the antichrist that will come to power through the 4th kingdom. The 10 horns, 3 of which are subdued, are the 10 kings that make up the rulers of the 4th kingdom. From this kingdom and the reign of antichrist will come a global system of government that will rule over the earth prior to the coming of Christ to establish his Kingdom.

Daniel 7:24 “And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise; and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.”

The three kings that are subdued will probably not approve of his rise to power or will object to his far-reaching powers. It’s interesting that, prior to the war in Iraq, France, Germany, and Belgium threatened the EU nations that sided with the U.S. with serious consequences if any EU partner joined the coalition to remove Sadam Hussein.

Recent events may point to the position that the future antichrist will fill in his rise to power. In addition to creating an EU constitution, plans are being discussed for an EU presidency that will replace the current 6 month rotating presidency, creating a powerful international leader with great influence at the United Nations and on the global stage. The new president would be elected by government heads of EU members and would hold office for five years. Tony Blair believes this new president “will become the public face and driving force of Europe”2. German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer has gone so far as to say that the Euro was the “first step to a federation”, and he went on to say that he wanted a powerful president of the EU as head of a European government with full legal and executive power. He welcomed the progress made in removing the “sovereign rights” of nations.3

We’re given a clue as to the identity of the little horn in Daniel 9:26 – “And after threescore and two weeks and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary, and end thereof shall be [as swept away] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”

We know that the people who destroyed Jerusalem (the city) and the temple (the sanctuary) were the Romans. From this people shall come the “prince that is to come” or the Antichrist. We can expect then for the Antichrist to rise up from a fourth kingdom that will be the revived Roman Empire.

Daniel 7:25 says, “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.”

The Antichrist will speak blasphemous words against God as he rules over the world, and there will be intense persecution of the tribulation saints, those who accept Christ after the rapture of His church. A time and times and the dividing of time refers to the three and a half years of the Great Tribulation (see Rev. 12:14; 135).

The EU is definitely becoming a world power of clay (diversity) and iron (power) with striking similarities to the fourth kingdom or fourth beast of Daniel’s prophecies. A world power of so many ethnic groups and representing so many states could easily become a very influential leader at the United Nations and the world. It’s possible that the U.N. is a beginning for this world government that will eventually be ruled by a revived Roman Empire and the Antichrist.

There are, however, other views on these prophesies that can be considered. Some think that the fourth kingdom is the revived Roman Empire (ten kings are the 10 nation military alliance of the EU) and the U.N. is the 4th beast (10 horns being the 10 bio-regions the UN has established for the globe). Only time will tell which is the case.

If the EU is the revived Roman Empire that will bring about the rise of Antichrist, then it is important to look at the religious symbolism of the EU. After all, riding on the beast’s back will be the harlot that represents a global pagan religious system that will unite the world and play a part in the persecution of the tribulation saints (Rev. 17).



new topics

top topics



 
52
<< 7  8  9    11  12  13 >>

log in

join