Originally posted by RedGolem
And I dont think Christions use the term infidel, I think they use hethen
I know that the athiests still call themselves infidels. Christians still use the terms:
infidel, heathen, pagan, neopagan, hedonist, witch, unbeliever, Freethinker, Deist, Atheist, Sceptic, Agnostic, and a whole host of other descriptive
terms. It depends on the subject, really.
Originally posted by Knights
I have to admit i'm not quite up to scratch with religious violence but i'm sure Christians are still active in killings/ bombings etc.
Of course there are. You've got crazies in every place on this plannet. A lot of times the Irish conflict is the Catholic Irish agaisnt the
Protestant Irish....but no one wants to think about that. But, in thier case, they are only after one nation, not after a whole world.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
The tolerant Pakistani muslim response?
"Anyone who describes Islam as a religion as intolerant encourages violence," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said....She said
Muslims had a long history of tolerance,
Yes, they were tolerant. They didn't proclain jihad on the whole world until recently.
Originally posted by zerotime
When aren't the muslims raging over something. Seems like they out in the streets in a rage about something new every couple of days and everyone
babies them until they are happy again. These fanatics are like 2 year old kids. It is starting to get old.
Then it is time to "spank the child and beat the boy", no?
Originally posted by xmotex
And if we want to survive, as a species, not just a nation, it's people like you we need to be rid of.
That wasn't a nice comment. This
type of comment is an extremist comment, and puts you in the same class as well. You know you aren't an extremeist, so one or two comments in an
extreme manner doesn't make you an extremist. I personally believe that the only way to get rid of this fighting is to get rid of the Musslims
entirely, but I'm not going to do it, or even pretend to think about it.
Originally posted by Souljah
And How would You People feel, if a Supreme Islamic Cleric would declare, that Christianity and Judaism is based on Violence and that they preach
death and war? 
I'd make a simple statement with lots of scripture pointing out how wrong that statement is, and them be told by the whole world that I'm a whining
2 year old.
And here comes a crapper full of ignorance:
Originally posted by Souljah
And Brother Killing Brother is OKEY? (Cain & Abel)
He was banished from his family, and cursed, with a mark upon his forehead, so that way
others would not kill him. This is also a part of the Bible accepted by the Musslim faith.
And Parents Killing their own Children is OKEY? (Abraham & Isaac)
Taken out of context. The child was never killed. He was the child
of the promise, and God was seeing (making a point about something) if Abraham would still believe in the promise when this was the only thing God had
ever given him as a direct sign of that fulfilment was taken away. In fact, throughout much of the Bible, when you come upon child killing as
sacrifice, it's condemned, and the people left to hell. Again, a part accepted by the musslims.
And Crucifixion is OKEY?
No, it wasn't. You act as if something is reported in scripture, that it automatically meant it was good.
The Bible never really makes an apology for evil people. It pointed out what they did, and left it at that, no justification. The only applause in
Christendom over the crucifix is the empty tomb that was there, 3 days later. It was a fulfilment to prophecy. Killed on a tree, his bones wern't
broken (traditionally, you break the leg bones after about 6 hours to speed up the death), his side was pierced and flowed blood and water (since the
blood was seperated, he had to have been dead for a bit, and couldn't have fainted), and a whole host of other prophecies, that have to do with
niggling litle points that you know nothing about unless you go through a whole crucifixion, historically.
And Moses Murdering an Egyptian after making sure that no one is looking is OKEY?
It wasn't. His own people turned on him, and
that's why he fled.
PLENTY of Cruely And Violence can be found in Holy Bible.
But the problem is, that that is OKEY, correct?
Of course violence is throughout the scriptures. Violence, in and of itself is not evil, it
is the direction it's applied. At the same time, much of the violence in the scripture was not condoned...nor was it condemned. Some of the volence
that you caused could be the reason to put you to death...and sometimes, you were rewarded for it. Context is everything.
To top this off, there were times when the violence was not condoned, but the one who committed the volence was forgiven. (Saul/Paul).
Only Bible readers who wear the thickest rose-colored glasses can fail to notice all the blood and violence that fill its pages.
Only
those with death tinted glasses don't get the context of most of the violence. Pointing out any violence in any religion without a benefit of why
the violence is happening, is dangerous. Violence, in and of itself, isn't the issue. Otherwise, I'd not be able to tolerate any sport...like
Rugby, Football, Ice Hockey.....
I give the Musslims that much room. If the violence, when wrong, is labled as wrong, then I don't care that you can read about it.
Dinah, the daugher of Israel was raped by a local man, and her brothers killed the man, not her. Those two brothers were cursed by Israel, to boot.
Dinah wasn't condemned.
Look at the long line of immoral women in Jesus' lineage.
Look at the woman at the well.
Look at the woman in the situation we get the quote "Let those among you without sin cast the first stone."
Immoral women who wern't killed.
So, what is up with honor killings?
There's an even bigger point that I'll make if you IM me, butI'm not going to do that here.
Originally posted by xmotex
It's interesting what's happening here.
There are fanatics on both sides looking to provoke a general cultural conflict, one that 90% of those on either side have no interest in and nothing
to gain from.
That's every issue in life. The majority don't care until someone they know stirrs them up to a mob mentality.
Originally posted by Odium
As per-normal, Souljah raises a good point. Where is the War on Terrorism? Every so called terrorist group that they have gone after have been
Islamic. I’ve yet to see them go after those in parts of Africa who are Christian. Why is it Islamic Nation’s are being attacked?
How about they are the only groups(s) that caught our attention on our soil and on our allies' soil?
America shouldn't be fighting a religion if ther is a "seperation of church and state" unless they brought themselves to our attention.
And it's not like "christian groups" haven't been attacked by our governemnt in MY LIFETIME. I don't like the Waco incident, but it was a fringe
"christian" group, as was the militia up in Idaho, what, a year later, was it? WITH LESS PROVOCATION than the muslim gropus. Don't tell me that
extremist Christians who are American Citizens don't get attacked by our government. (And I believe Waco needed to happen, don't get me wrong. The
other one I don't agree with.) I was a child watching this. I'm not that old. How can we forget what happened in our own lifetime?
Originally posted by Odium
President George W. Bush is a Christian. Do I really need to point out how many people have died in Iraq because of his actions? If all Muslims are
responsible for all of their actions, all Christians are too. As per-normal, more death at present is on the hands of Non-Muslims than Muslims.
I don't think of him a s aChristians...any time you see me put the word Christian in quotes, I'm thinking of a pseudo-christian, and Bush
is a "christian" The issue is he doing this FOR the cause of Christ or for the cause of America. Yes, we are a "christian" nation. Most of our
people don't fight this for a "christian"cause, for all our relgious quoting.
Originally posted by doggmann
hasnt anyone noticed that the catholic church and the pope were slammed for not intervening nor speaking out against hitler and the nazi party, but
now let him say that violence is wrong and everyone jumps up and down.why wouldnt a leader of a church have the right to speak against war? in light
of tolerance, if we areto tolerate others beliefs and cultures then one must accept that not everyones opinion is to be the same. should no one say
anything at all? will that make the problem go away?
VERY IMPORTANT: We don't want to remember Hitler. When we forget, hisotry repeats
itslef, and it gets worse every time it repeats.
