Now this is fun, trying to talk sense into a butt head.
1. A police state is where such acts are commonplace and are the rule not the exception. As one who actually lives in the US and not 2000 miles
away, I can tell you for a FACT that such acts aren't commonplace for US citizens.
2. Which constitutional rights have been taken away? You still haven't answered that.
No, clueless. A police state is a state with police powers. And, acts of police powers being used are very common actually. You just don't have your
eyes open - only your mouth.
As for which constitutional rights are taken away.
You can get shot by the police on suspicion
You can be detained indefinitely
You can be relocated in camps outside of US
You can get arrested without a warrant
You can be prosecuted without a judicial hearing
You can be searched without a warrant
You can be imprisoned as a terrorist for dissenting against state
You are are liable to death penality for any federal crime punishable by 1 year+
So, what do you think has changed, Einstein?
Here read these:
No, YOU have no idea. You're getting your info from the internet. I'm getting it from real life.
I am curious, "what information are you getting"?
Do you even know what Waco was??
Yes I do. I know a lot about the atrocities and brutalities your government has perpetrated against people. And this military operation against
innocent children, women and men and burning them alive is just the kind of brutality I read about everyday in US.
Ok, show me. Show me wher all this stuff is going on for absolutely no reason.
Here's the link. Show me where.
So, I now have to help you navigate the site too. Alright then:
Well on the front page:
Milton Woolfolk from Lake City died after police shot him with a taser. Woolfolk had a history of psychiatric problems and around noon on Friday,
Columbia county sheriff's deputies attempted to take him into custody for a psychiatric evaluation.
I can vouch personally. At least once in a week, I hear about such brutality. Bookmark this site and check it everyday.
If you don't think children getting tasered, or shot for no reason at all, or "accidentally" so frequently
Excerpt: A veteran South Tucson police sergeant is under investigation for firing his stun gun to subdue a handcuffed 9-year-old girl.
At the request of Chief Sixto Molina, the Pima County Sheriff's Department is trying to determine if the sergeant committed a crime when he sent a
jolt through the child's body.
The police officer used a Taser on the girl at about 5:30 p.m. May 8, Molina said. The nonlethal weapon uses a pulsating electrical charge to
immobilize a person for several seconds.
"I'll be the first to admit, you've got a veteran sergeant Tasing a 9-year-old girl, it doesn't look good," said Molina.
Excerpt: MILWAUKEE -- A woman who hadi] just talked a friend out of suicide had her pet cocker spaniel shot to death by a police officer called to
Then the officer handed Valerie Mueller a $120 citation for having her dog, Sprite, outside without a leash.
``I will fight that ticket,'' said Mueller, 33, a special education teacher with Milwaukee Public Schools.
Excerpt: May 23, 2003 -- Residents of a Bronx building are outraged after getting an unexpected morning "greeting" yesterday from a police drug
squad, which burst into their homes, waved guns at children and then left after finding nothing.
"At 7:50 a.m., they burst down the door to the building," said Joe Celcis, a teacher whose mother and sister live in the home.
"After an hour and a half, they said, 'Sorry wrong house,' and left."
The cops were armed with a warrant that allowed them to search all the units at 3629 Olinville Ave., a four-family apartment building.
They smashed open a door, handcuffed several people and put a gun in the face of 12-year-old Jennifer Espady before going though everyone's
belongings, witnesses said.
"They came in with guns drawn and pushed me," Jennifer said.
Excerpt: January 7, 2003
A Detroit police officer with a knife cut off the finger of a 45-year-old woman he was trying to handcuff in a parking lot on 8 Mile.
Excerpt: An accountant claims that he was kept for more than 24 hours in "leg chains" and denied food and water after flying into New York's JFK
airport with his wife.
David Pattison, 52, of Beeston, Norfolk, was held by US security officials because an Interpol notice alleged that he was wanted in Qatar for debts of
up to $10,000 (£5,800).
He was deported on Monday night without having been allowed to enter America.
Mr Pattison, who disputes the alleged debt, said he was subjected to "inhumane and degrading" treatment by the US authorities and a "lack of
assistance" by the Foreign Office.
Excerpt: Three minutes and seven seconds tells the story of a dog named Patton.
The dog, which was shot at close range Jan. 1 by a Cookeville policeman during a felony traffic stop, belonged to the James Smoak family of Saluda,
N.C. At the time, the Tennessee Highway Patrol suspected the Smoaks — James, his wife, Pamela, and his stepson, Brandon Hayden — were involved in
a Nashville-area robbery.
Excerpt: The sound of heavy machinery, exploding grenades and blaring announcements cracked the early morning silence.
Neighbors looked out their windows Oct. 17 to see an armored truck rolling down the street. They saw at least 45 officers armed with shotguns and
assault rifles entering a trio of houses, standing guard at alleyways and blocking traffic lanes.
Officers wouldn't explain to startled residents what was going on.
Police pulled four people - including a nude woman and another woman wearing only underpants and a T-shirt - from their beds and kept them in
handcuffs in a room of one of the houses for several hours. One woman reported that an officer covered her head with a black fabric bag and removed it
only when she agreed to cooperate.
Neighbors later learned that officers had served a search warrant at three adjacent houses near West Fifth Avenue and Adams Street, where police
suspected people were growing marijuana.
The raid sparked immediate outrage among more than a dozen neighbors and friends of the property owners and in recent weeks has become a rallying
point for community organizers. The fact that police found no marijuana plants or weapons has only angered neighbors further.
Again, show me the stats that this stuff has been on the rise. I want to know.
There you go, I could actually post even more. It is so obvious US is a police state and it's very easy to prove. However, this is all just biased
and taken out of context propoganda, right? Come on, I know you American sheep too well now. I can predict everything you are going to say. Even if
it's all put in front of you, you still won't have a clue.
That's the only thing you can come up with?
1. Bush didn't say anything about creating the NWO as in the control all government system.
2. You obviously don't read the Times that much do you
They do this type of stuff all the time.
Do you know who owns the washington times?
Now, why doesn't it surprise me that you attacked the source. You said, rather foolishly, that Bush didn't say this. I've shown you he has and
proven you wrong once again.
Yeah that makes sense. You know just like the Germans and Jews in Nazi Germany, when Hitler had passed laws just like patriot acts and setup
fatherland security. No offence mate, but your country is full of sheep and sheeps do nothing but graze the fields all day. You need someone tell you
from the real world, what's up.
If you, getting info off the internet, think you know more than someone who actually goes out into the "real world", then you're sadly
No, I am getting all this information from reliable media sources and US media sources itself.
Their views are clearly biased so why should I believe them over someone with bias on the other side?
There you go again. Denial of facts.
In two months I can make 2 videos (and I may try this one day). In one vid, I can make the US look like the best country ever created. In the
other I can make this place look like hell. It's honestly not that hard.
LOL, there is already enough propoganda on CNN that makes US look like the best country ever created. What you don't understand, that Moore and
Jones can only show what there is to show.
In Moores documentary we saw how homeless Americans were being drafted for war and how people were being visited by the FBI for Anti-bush comments.
Your country is so ridiculous and full of arrogant sheep, that people are having to support the government and it's policies, just to prove their
patriotism. And those who who do have a problem with the illegal wars and the stripping away of their rights, are the evil liberal blues.
1. No one is threatening invasion. If we attack, it'll be mainly airstrikes (maybe a few special ops here and there).
2. Like I said before, no one is even preparing for an invasion right now. Invading Iran would require a lot of prep. None of this has taken place so
Finally, you concede to something.
1. I never said I was a Bush supporter.
2. What does Bush have to do with Titor? Because I don't believe Titor means I'm a Bush supporter? Or what? Because I don't take what bias internet
sites say as gospel, makes me a Bush supporter?
Get real man.
Your apathy, ignorance and arrogance, the typical qualities of a Bush supporter, is what makes me think you are.
Besides you don't even live in America. How would you know which is the better half?
The typical show of mentality I have seen by a Bush supporter in this forum.
[edit on 14-3-2005 by Indigo_Child]