White House REFUSES To Call 21 Beheading Victims CHRISTIANS In Statement Against ISIS Attack

A list of attacks....

Islamic Terror Attacks on Christians
(Since 9/11)

This is a list of targeted acts of terrorism on Christian civilians and church workers by religious Muslims since September 11th, 2001. These attacks have nothing to do with war, combat or insurgency. The victims are innocent Christians who were specifically targeted and abused solely on account of their faith by those who claim their own religion as a motive.

There may be a few anomalies on the list, as it is compiled by keyword search from our main database. Neither is this a complete account of Islamic terror attacks on Christians since much of the violence goes unreported.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: Krazysh0t

DUH
The point is that if it is justified to treat such threats as serious from me then we should also accept them as being serious coming from them.

Sure they are serious threats. I don't for a second discount that fact. Good thing they can't make good on their threats against the 1st world. Sure they can do a few small scale terrorist attacks here and there, but that won't change anything in the 1st world except make people angry.

Many choose to down play their threats by making the claim that There is no threat to the usa. that is false.

There isn't. Would you care to elaborate on how they would EVER be capable of threatening the USA? I'm really curious since I haven't seen a single person ever answer this question adequately.

a reply to: deadeyedick

Good lord.

Jews don't believe in Jesus. The Old Testament/Torah is theirs primarily. Strike one.

You know, the funny thing is, actually, Muslims do believe in Jesus, whom they call Isa (which is probably closer to the name such a person would have been called).

They even look for his Second Coming at the end times to slay an equivalent of the Antichrist.

Shall I give you examples of American Fundamentalists who have claimed that the Old Testament laws regarding death should be enacted against those they don't agree with? Strike two.

Should I point out that your Jesus said himself that he had not come to do away with the "Law and the Prophets" but to fulfill them? Strike three.

Get the stick out of your own eye before you go after the dustmote in someone elses.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

911

a reply to: deadeyedick

What about it? That event didn't destroy our country. We are still here.

And everyone will playcate, and downplay the fact that Obama and the media and others will not call these people what they are, and confront it head on..........

Everyone dismisses the fact that Obama refuses to admit that groups are being targeted, despite the fact that Isis and other extremist groups are making pointed statements to their intent........

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

This was the situation before world war 2 and its happening again.........people will say nothing until its on their front door step and their political correctness will not save them....

This will get worse, this will get more tragic, this will not just go by the wayside......

Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it, those who willfully choose to not LEARN from history are DETERMINED to repeat it...

When its your turn, what say you then?

originally posted by: Kryties
Oh for crying out loud.

You lot will come up with any excuse to have a go at Obama.

From a foreigners perspective it's more than just nitpicking, it's totally ridiculous.

No, you are being willfully ignorant of the situation if you think that.

Why?
Because it is BECAUSE they were Christian to begin with that they were beheaded, and so their being Christian is quite relevant, and for Obama not to acknowledge that is making sure this will continue as an act having nothing much to do with religion, when it in fact has everything to do with it.

By not addressing the cause of this mess, is ensuring that it will continue being a mess.
Obama should be condemning the anti Christian motives of these idiot Jihadists and not playing it down as happening for some other unclear reasons. When he does this, he makes it sound like no one really understands why it is happening, so there is no clear way to make it stop.
He doesn't want it to stop.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Get worse? How? ISIS has lost considerable ground recently in both Syria and Iraq, and their most effective weapon, momentum, has been blunted.

For ISIS, tough times as it seeks to regroup
ISIS Is Losing in Iraq. But What Happens Next?
ISIS Is Losing Its Greatest Weapon: Momentum

From the third source:

There was a time when the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria appeared unstoppable. In September and October, as the jihadist group captured territory through a major offensive in Iraq’s Anbar province, culminating in the fall of the town of Hit on October 13, observers feared that even Baghdad was in danger of being overrun. ISIS is now in the midst of another major military movement in Anbar, but the always-overblown fears about the organization’s advance are now receding—and the group’s decline has grown increasingly apparent.

ISIS’s signature attributes, ferocity and unpredictability, have raised the group’s profile and inspired a spate of lone-wolf attackers. But the organization has also made several strategic errors along the way. The Islamic State’s lifeblood is partially money and territory, but primarily momentum against weak and ill-prepared enemies. And that momentum, which peaked in early August, has stalled.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: deadeyedick



Good lord.



Jews don't believe in Jesus. The Old Testament/Torah is theirs primarily. Strike one.



You know, the funny thing is, actually, Muslims do believe in Jesus, whom they call Isa (which is probably closer to the name such a person would have been called).



They even look for his Second Coming at the end times to slay an equivalent of the Antichrist.



Shall I give you examples of American Fundamentalists who have claimed that the Old Testament laws regarding death should be enacted against those they don't agree with? Strike two.



Should I point out that your Jesus said himself that he had not come to do away with the "Law and the Prophets" but to fulfill them? Strike three.



Get the stick out of your own eye before you go after the dustmote in someone elses.

make a real point.

christians are told to not kill.
muslims are told to kill
jews do not follow the bible
the statment about fullfilling the law is just your attempt to interput his words to show violence. since there can be more than one interputation of that single verse we then need to view his message as a whole and choose the corrasponding interputation. that means that in context jesus said that he fullfilled the law meaning he did not come to remove the ten commandments. that is what makes the 10 commandments valid to the new testament and why we still accept them. Note that other so called laws are not accepted today because they go against the 10 commandments.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: deadeyedick



What about it? That event didn't destroy our country. We are still here.

you did not ask how jihadist could destroy the country.

you asked

Would you care to elaborate on how they would EVER be capable of threatening the USA

along with verbal threats of death to america they have also carried out a few acts of violence but they often kill americans oversees and kill christians because the usa is seen as a christian country to them and people with certain lifestyle choices are also targted as being influenced by things that we do in the use. any allies to the usa are also targeted.

my overall answer of how they could wipe out the usa is that they would first spread followers into the country then after obtaining high numbers of followers here they would start to begin shria law courts in areas and continue that until their influence grows to the point they start to pass laws reflecting shria law

Quotes directly from President Obama's mouth:

"ISIL poses a threat to the people of Iraq and Syria, and the broader Middle East – including American citizens, personnel and facilities. If left unchecked, these terrorists could pose a growing threat beyond that region – including to the United States. While we have not yet detected specific plotting against our homeland, ISIL leaders have threatened America and our allies. Our intelligence community believes that thousands of foreigners – including Europeans and some Americans – have joined them in Syria and Iraq. Trained and battle-hardened, these fighters could try to return to their home countries and carry out deadly attacks."

and if that's not clear enough:

ISIL is a terrorist organization, pure and simple. And it has no vision other than the slaughter of all who stand in its way.

In a region that has known so much bloodshed, these terrorists are unique in their brutality. They execute captured prisoners. They kill children. They enslave, rape, and force women into marriage. They threatened a religious minority with genocide.

Speech from President Obama September 10, 2014. Link

So, let's see ...

Obama hasn't identfied ISIS/ISIL as terrorist. UNTRUE.

Obama hasn't addressed the atrocities committed by ISIS/ISIL. UNTRUE.

Obama hasn't acknowledged that ISIS/ISIL is striking against specific groups. UNTRUE.

Obama hasn't made it clear that ISIS/ISIL is a danger to the region and to the world. UNTRUE.

FOUR quotes from ONE speech put the lie to about 90% of the claims here.

a reply to: Gryphon66

so you just proved that he is wishy washy

i think it is important to view the messages that are being spread the loudest by his echo chamber.

they play the word replacement game far too often.

just because something is said once does not equate to the bigger message of denial

originally posted by: deadeyedick

my overall answer of how they could wipe out the usa is that they would first spread followers into the country then after obtaining high numbers of followers here they would start to begin shria law courts in areas and continue that until their influence grows to the point they start to pass laws reflecting shria law

They have a VERY long way to go before they could ever do that. And they'd have to supplant the majority Christian population as well. It is more likely that we'd see a Christian theocracy in this country before we'd see a Muslim theocracy.

Also going by the evidence I just posted, ISIS doesn't have the means to do much else except defend. They've pissed off the whole world including their allies (elaborated on in one of my links), so there is no help coming for them from any source. ISIS is on its way out on the world stage. The only reason we still talk about them is because the right wing news media needs to push its Islamophobia rhetoric to keep people fearing non-threats.

a reply to: deadeyedick

Christians are also told not to judge, and to love others as they love themselves. They're also told that slavery is okay, and that wives should obey their husbands as slaves do.

Muslims are not "told to kill." Care to take your own medicine and quote something in context from the Quran?

Jews and Judaism disagrees with you; where do you think about 60% of your Bible comes from? Pfft.

I didn't interpret "his words" I quoted him. Well paraphrased.

Ah, the context argument. So the Bible doesn't mean what it says, Jesus doesn't mean what he says, you have to have the magic power of interpretation to know what it really means. Riiiight.

There's a lot more to the Torah than the 10 Commandments, and Christians argue every day for Deuteronomy and Leviticus to be used against certain groups of people.

Wow. This is a real waste of time. There's no reason to talk to you any longer.

Best.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Get worse? How? ISIS has lost considerable ground recently in both Syria and Iraq, and their most effective weapon, momentum, has been blunted.

I was actually in the military, served many many tours dealing with guys like this........

If you think for one second that it wont get worse or that they have been "blunted" then you have really no idea how the hell these guys work.....

THey still hold key strategic points, and are continuously gaining more sympathizers coming to fight with them.....

This isnt a small group of people that will just be stomped out with bombs........infact you simply CANNOT just bomb them , it wont work.....

Not to mention they arent JUST in those areas.......

Honestly you are knowledgeable in many areas such as science , theology etc......but you arent on this one.......

They have much more fight left in them and this is just the beginning , they are gaining more momentum

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
I was actually in the military, served many many tours dealing with guys like this........

I was in the Army too, so what? I even served in Iraq in '05.

If you think for one second that it wont get worse or that they have been "blunted" then you have really no idea how the hell these guys work.....

You didn't read my links did you?

THey still hold key strategic points, and are continuously gaining more sympathizers coming to fight with them.....

This isnt a small group of people that will just be stomped out with bombs........infact you simply CANNOT just bomb them , it wont work.....

ACTUALLY, they ARE a small group of people. Sure their numbers may total into the tens of thousands, but that is a piddling sized army.

Not to mention they arent JUST in those areas.......

Honestly you are knowledgeable in many areas such as science , theology etc......but you arent on this one.......

They have much more fight left in them and this is just the beginning , they are gaining more momentum

I never said the fight was over. I said they are losing. I'm sure that many will fight until the bitter end, such is the way of fundamentalism, but I don't see them ever taking as much ground as they did initially in as short a window as they did. These guys are on the way out. Please read my articles before you respond again.

“The whole point is to draw everyone into the conflict,” J.M. Berger, author of the forthcoming "State of Terror," told ABC News. “They thrive on chaos and see a massive multipolar war as an ideal environment from which to seed the caliphate.”

With the airstrikes carried out today, Egypt added its name to the growing list of countries willing to confront the militant group that now controls swaths of Iraq and Syria. The Egyptian response closely tracks that of other countries that have been targeted by ISIS. On Feb. 3, Jordan vowed revenge for the brutal killing of Jordanian pilot Moath al-Kasasbeh, and launched its own air campaign against the militants.

ABC News - Feb 16, 2015. (Link

It is not Christendom versus Islam. That is what ISIS wants this to be about in their madness.

Sadly, that's what many of you here are arguing for as well.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

It is not Christendom versus Islam. That is what ISIS wants this to be about in their madness.

Sadly, that's what many of you here are arguing for as well.

That's because the right wing media, in its insatiable thirst for violence and war, is playing right into ISIS' hands when they over-exaggerate the threat that ISIS poses to the world. ISIS WANTS the media to behave like they are behaving, and the people that watch it have no idea that they are being duped by the enemy.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Then if you served you should understand the significance of the areas and weapons they have taken......

The funding they continue to recieve from very wealthy Saudi people and other organizations around the world who are funneling money to them under different guises........

This organization isnt the random "freedom" fighter in smaller outposts in the big sandbox man.......

Yes I read your links........

Your problem is you think that just because someone doesnt agree with you they must either be stupid or not looking at the information........

Wrong......

Mark my words......THey are only getting stronger and increasing in number....Again HISTORY is repeating itself only this time with a different brand of crazy bent on a different type of "genocide"....

...and if they fade off into the sunset (which they wont) ill come back and issue a very public apology praising your intellect and spot on assessment........

Id bet my years paycheck that wont be the case......

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

The reason I asked if you had read my links is because all your points are addressed in them. Case in point, from the third link:

ISIS’s financial and military resources have also shrunk as U.S. airstrikes have destroyed the group’s materiel and capacity to refine oil. The Islamic State is still able to sell unrefined oil on the black market, but the difference between the price it can set for unrefined versus refined oil is significant. Reports this week indicated that ISIS expects a $250-million surplus in its $2-billion budget, but these figures are entirely self-reported: Accountants aren’t exactly lining up to get into ISIS-controlled territory and perform an outside audit.

Another problem that ISIS faces is that they have no means to produce any technology. From same source:

ISIS, moreover, lacks an industrial base capable of sustaining its military efforts (Ninawa and Salahaddin governorates have a number of factories, but the group has a shortage of qualified technical personnel to man and supply them). It cannot build its own heavy armor, armored personnel carriers, Humvees, anti-tank weapons, surface-to-air missiles, anti-aircraft weapons, or radar stations. Only through military raids can the organization capture the equipment it needs for battle, and the last time it did this successfully was in August.

ISIS will probably shrink to a small force similar to what AQ is now while another jihadist terrorist group comes onto the scene and the circle will spin again. We will be back to calling for war against this new "threat" and no one will learn any lessons. THAT is the history I've studied.