White House REFUSES To Call 21 Beheading Victims CHRISTIANS In Statement Against ISIS Attack

a reply to: undo

Sorry, I won't be sucked into a divisive argument that is based on speculation and opinion.

I stand by my Facepalm picture.

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: undo

Sorry, I won't be sucked into a decisive argument that is based on speculation and opinion.

I stand by my Facepalm picture.

perhaps you didn't see the broadcast where he DIDN'T say a thing about who was being attacked, just their nationality? how is that speculation? he didn't say it lol

helloooo in there.

a reply to: undo

I saw it, I also saw nothing out of the ordinary.

Stop trying to suck me into this divisive nonsense.

The issue in these killings is not religion.

The issue in these killings is political violence.

ISIS/ISIL is an equal opportunity killer; they kill everyone.

ISIS/ISIL wants to piss off the entire world because in their madness they think that will help their insane goals.

These killings are not about religion, they are about terrorism.

If we let it become about religion, we are giving these little rats exactly what they want.

a reply to: Gryphon66


Exactly. In their eyes it's ISIS versus the World. Hell, they have even managed to make enemies of Al Qaeda for crying out loud.

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: Gryphon66


Exactly. In their eyes it's ISIS versus the World. Hell, they have even managed to make enemies of Al Qaeda for crying out loud.

really? got a linky?

a reply to: Gryphon66

couldn't the same be said of hitler, since he killed all kinds of people, not just jews, but he seemed to want to genocide jewish people?

a reply to: undo

From: edition.cnn.com...

Adding to your list of enemies is never a sound strategy, yet ISIS' ferocious campaign against the Shia, Kurds, Yazidis, Christians, and Muslims who don't precisely share its views has united every ethnic and religious group in Syria and Iraq against them.

ISIS is even at war with its most natural ally, al Qaeda in Syria.

You may wish to read the entire article, it's a fascinating read and an excellent insight into ISIS and their motives.

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: undo

Sorry, I won't be sucked into a decisive argument that is based on speculation and opinion.

I stand by my Facepalm picture.

perhaps you didn't see the broadcast where he DIDN'T say a thing about who was being attacked, just their nationality? how is that speculation? he didn't say it lol

helloooo in there.

So what? So what if he didn't mention the religion? What does it even matter? The killings were attrocious and your adherence to offense at this non issue highlights how badly you want it to be an issue. You clearly have an agenda here an nothing anyone says or does will convince you otherwise.

The real problem here is any group that irrationally uses a religion as something that sets them "apart from the world."

That creates a victim mentality; we see similar delusional beliefs in the West as well.

The world at large, and the people in it, become our enemies. Even when they try to help us, this mentality sees that as secretly trying to hurt us.

When this xenophobia, this "apartness" is carried to extreme limits, the usual result is violence and terrorism against others, against our enemies, against the world.

Usually, these types of people are solitary, thus you have the lone shooters, bombers, hostage takers.

Here, with ISIS/ISIL, you have the phenomenon writ large.

But, it's easy to see, that this condition, whether singular or plural, is not really about religion, or even any given political beliefs ... it's about insanity.

ISIS/ISIL is on a suicidal course. The whole world is their "enemy." Their victims have come from every religion, from many nationalities, countries east and west. The greatest number of victims have been, by far, Muslim, which is the real tip-off that this is NOT REALLY ABOUT RELIGION.

It's about insanity writ large. If we let it become about religion, we are feeding the insanity and we are promoting the delusion.

The President is absolutely right to avoid invoking religion.

a reply to: Gryphon66

erm, it sounds reasonable, it really does, but is it true? how many of the yazidis are still alive? or did they manage to hunt down and kill them all?

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Gryphon66

erm, it sounds reasonable, it really does, but is it true? how many of the yazidis are still alive? or did they manage to hunt down and kill them all?

You could ask the same of everybody else they 'hunted down', the Shia, Kurds, Yazidis, Christians, and Muslims.

Like we keep saying, it's ISIS vs the World (ie: anybody who doesn't agree with their ideology), not ISIS vs a particular religion.

Obama is very much in the right for not mentioning any particular religion. But that's not what this thread is about is it? It's about trying to throw some mud at the current political leader and hoping some will stick - doesn't matter what the mud is, any ol' excuse will do.

a reply to: Kryties

actually i'm not interested in the political aspect. it's just hard to understand his decisions when he says something like



say what? the future belongs to everybody, regardless of what their world view is (there's that niggly self-determination thing again). where's he coming off saying stuff like that?

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Kryties

actually i'm not interested in the political aspect. it's just hard to understand his decisions when he says something like

say what? the future belongs to everybody, regardless of what their world view is (there's that niggly self-determination thing again). where's he coming off saying stuff like that?

Say what?

The future must not belong to those who target Coptic Christians in Egypt – it must be claimed by those in Tahrir Square who chanted “Muslims, Christians, we are one.” The future must not belong to those who bully women – it must be shaped by girls who go to school, and those who stand for a world where our daughters can live their dreams just like our sons. The future must not belong to those corrupt few who steal a country’s resources – it must be won by the students and entrepreneurs; workers and business owners who seek a broader prosperity for all people. Those are the men and women that America stands with; theirs is the vision we will support.

The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. Yet to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see when the image of Jesus Christ is desecrated, churches are destroyed, or the Holocaust is denied. Let us condemn incitement against Sufi Muslims, and Shiite pilgrims. It is time to heed the words of Gandhi: “Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit.” Together, we must work towards a world where we are strengthened by our differences, and not defined by them. That is what America embodies, and that is the vision we will support.

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Kryties

actually i'm not interested in the political aspect. it's just hard to understand his decisions when he says something like

You claim your not interested in the political aspect and yet all your posts are trying to paint Obama as being some sort of terrorist sympathiser. I call BS.

Oh and what Obama is saying is correct, in essence he is saying that ISIS is not targeting any particular religion but the world as a whole.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

very nice. i never saw the rest of it!

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: ~Lucidity

very nice. i never saw the rest of it!

Of course you didn't.

a reply to: Kryties

i'm not. only time i get involved is when the issue is near and dear to me. like i thought sarah palin was a cool idea, but i guess not. i don't like the idea of socialism, at least, not to the degree that we have it today. i am both fond of and not fond of, mr. obama. same as presidents before him.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: ~Lucidity

very nice. i never saw the rest of it!

Of course you didn't.

well at least i admit it! i doubt any of you would admit you were wrong about anything.

To my understanding ISIS have killed more muslims than Christians. To highlight them because they are Christians shows that the OP values christian life over muslims. Although I feel Christianity has better values than most religions there lives are of no greater value than "21 muslims". Shame on ye for projecting your own views on a countries announcement