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I just left my door open...come kick it down so I can really tie this conversation up. Go on...poke me one more time.
originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
I eat meat. But it generally depends on what I am doing. And in this day and time its pretty hard to not into meat foodstuffs everywhere you go. Were omnivores so ya I could survive without meat, and given a different lifestyle I could try to do the whole vegan thing. However I would not likely succeed. In all eating to much meat is not good for you. I try to balance things out, but mostly I just hit the fast food joints.
The day they got fast food joints which taste as good and are as convenient as most burger joins. I will likely give them a try. But i burn a whole hell of a lot of calories per day, I could literally eat a whole large pizza on some days, then burn it all away in 3 hours and be hungry again. Meat is just the fastest way to get the most protein and nutrients needed and taste factor as well.
I dont think its such a big deal to stop eating meat as most people make it out. In fact I did some years back and I was still gaining weight from eating vegges and non meat related food, veggie burgers and things like that, or non meat Indian foods, though quantity wise I had to eat a lot more of that to fill me up or to keep me going. For the most part, at least for me, its merely a matter of convenience. Its pretty dam hard to stay away from eating meat.
Compassion is compassion. Right and wrong are for you conditional - and on a sliding scale. You'll do the right thing - but only if you can also dismiss the people who agree with you as some kind of imposition
originally posted by: Bedlam
You have to be in a weird frame of mind to watch them with proper appreciation. Mind you, I think you could butcher animals with a bit more kindness than generally happens,but for the sort I could convert to food around the farm, I tried never to let them know it was coming until they woke up on the Rainbow Bridge, if you know what I mean. The factory line butchering doesn't work that way.
You can't do cows yourself unless you've put a lot of money into butchering the occasional cow. I can do up to a big deer here, and we never had pigs. But the guy that did our cows would get ours ready to go, calm them down, a bit of patting and bam! shot to the head. They didn't have time to know they were about to buy it, and he never let them see, smell or hear the one that went before so they weren't worked up or afraid prior.
Two small heifers or one grass fed cow would do us the year, if hunting was good. Fish, chickens, eggs, the odd bit of venison and a couple of veggie days a week and it's all you need. The goats were for milk or pets.
But hey, at least rendering plants really nailed that Native American sentiment of use the whole animal lol.
Well, you see, that's pink meat right there. You've a moral obligation to eat that McD's if you're going to use the whole animal.
I'm a bit ambivalent on that. I don't believe in wasting any of it you can use, we even used to tan deerhide if you got a good one, and that's a miserable chore. But for battery hens, those things ate recycled/rendered chickens all their lives.
Now, you input some pesticides and herbicides into that loop, the chickens eat it and store it plus god knows what in terms of heavy metals in their fat, livers and feathers, then you render the fat, skin and feathers back into chicken feed, so it loops back over and over.
I'm actually surprised they don't glow in the dark without any genetic mods.
Ours foraged two to three seasons a year, we had a small millet field they would rummage in along with the guineas and quail, and they helped keep the gardens and yard free of bugs, and the scuppernongs and muscadine vines cleared as far as they (and the dogs, oddly) could reach. So they were what I would guess passes for organic except for their oyster shell and scratch feed they got for treats.
It's the only chickens I'd eat the livers of. Can you imagine what's in battery chicken livers?
Right and wrong are indeed conditional. Let me ask you this question: If you had to choose between saving a three month old baby or three month old kitten from a blazing inferno; which would you choose?
originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
Right is right and wrong is wrong.
Some may believe its just wrong to kill animals when there is no need to for our survival.
In my world - I can care about kittens and babies. If I'm ever in that particular situation though - I'll be sure to come back here and let you know which way I went
Will not eating animals prevent from you starving? Well since outside of hypothetical straw man island every piece of nutrition in an animal is also plentifully available in plants*, then, uh, no it won't. Are the steaks in a grocery story threatening your safety? No they aren't.
The animals died because you wanted them to die. Not because you needed them to die.
Not a single person in this thread can debate that. If you try I'll just laugh like I do when evolution deniers pop up. You think you know more about nutrition than the American Dietic Association? Cause if you are going to try and argue this point you are arguing with scientific data.
So please, come in and justify killing animals because you want to.
Because that's what this thread is really about.
originally posted by: framedragged
Don't forget the chicken poop lol.
We're suggesting that the hens most people eat aren't crazy obese monsters that can't even stand for the most part, but are picturesque farm hens. Chickens do look pretty close to being mutants at this point for sure.
Oyster shell? lolwut. I assume that means the crackers?
There are various substitutes to eating meat would any of those stop you from eating meat?
What if they could make it taste the same or even 3d print meat for you would you eat it over the real thing then?
There are plenty of veggie meats that have fooled people into thinking they are real meat, would you eat these over real meat? I have tricked a few friends with vegi meat on multiple occasions just to see thier reactions.
I am guessing that most would still want real meat reguardless of how advanced fake meat is or how real it tastes because its not the real thing.
Is it moral to eat animals when you dont need to?
Do you even care at all about the possible immorality of eating animals when you dont need to as there are alternatives that can fool anyone?