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originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
There is no reason to not respect anothers right to life, especially if its just because you want to eat them for protien, go get some kale add a bit of olive oil add a oinch of salt and bake it till its crispy and youve got some kale chips full of protien lol.
Bedlams point is animals eat other animals so that makes eating anything just fine even if you have an alternative, which makes no sense in a moral arena of need vs want.
Now to pants yes I think a way should be made that we dont need to kill them as well either, 3d print our food at an atomic level and this would no longer be a problem.
As to karma I think we have infinate lives, animal lives too, and it would be a special kind of tortuous hell to be born as an animal and eaten by our society, but the wheel of birth and death must turn I wouldnt be suprised if that karma came back on each and every one of us in some form or another.
I think of it as this way, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction at some point in time and space. So who knows we may be feasting on our other lives corpses in various forms. . . .
I could only hope that in heaven and I do believe in heaven there will be no animals slaughter for people as a food source, no more pointless suffering for anything.
It takes only a moment in a lifetime to realize that other animals are alive as you are. That's a turning point, that touch of empathy, and then the next step is realizing that "Ah, people? There's a corpse on my plate. Can anyone come and take it away please, and put some food on there instead." That takes awhile longer. Those who get there are, imnho, very lucky indeed.
But I buy from people who treat animals the same way our ancestors did. With respect.
Obviously not everyone, but I think there's a reason that many people shutdown and enter "# you" mode when you bring up animal slaughter videos. Not even the super duper secret spy ones. Just the ones that show day to day normal operations.
Ah so when they stampeded entire herds off of cliffs, that was ethical slaughter practice and treating them with respect?
This is how it has been presented. And let's not present the endless, circular kafkatrap about how we only eat meat because we icky meat addicts. Do you not see how any hope you have to present any kind of argument in your favor is forever tainted by that kind of behavior?
But what am I saying? I am going to meat-eater hell ... this vegetarians on this thread have already spoken. Thus, I am no longer really listening.
originally posted by: framedragged
I imagine that if a lot of people had to perform their own animal husbandry they'd be a lot less gun ho about meat. Obviously not everyone...
...but I think there's a reason that many people shutdown and enter "# you" mode when you bring up animal slaughter videos. Not even the super duper secret spy ones. Just the ones that show day to day normal operations.
But hey, at least rendering plants really nailed that Native American sentiment of use the whole animal lol.
originally posted by: framedragged
a reply to: Bedlam
Mix in some peanut oil and tongue burning spices and bring Southeast Asia right into your kitchen lol.
If we agree that eating meat is not immoral, do you think we might finally be able to discuss how abusing animals is immoral?
When people make comments like this they kind of give their hand away
The abusive practices involving animals in slaughter houses is immoral. This is why I do not purchase meat from corporate supermarkets and only go the organic route or eat only what I kill myself.
I am more concerned with human lives and human suffering than I am about animal rights. As someone mentioned earlier in this post: This vegetarianism debate is petty rich nation's problems. Go visit some of these second and third world countries for yourself. Go look these people in eye and preach your gospel about only eating vegetables.
Compassion is compassion. Right and wrong are for you conditional - and on a sliding scale. You'll do the right thing - but only if you can also dismiss the people who agree with you as some kind of imposition
Interesting - and political